One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Fox666]

But I think it was assumed Oden was Yonko level because he managed to hurt Kaidou and was on par with Whitebeard?

He was also fine after being attacked by Roger.

We have a comparison of Oden with Whitebeard, Roger and Kaido. Why question that he was Yonko-level?

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Well Buggy was fine after being attacked by Mihawk and is clearly shichibukailvl, you cant argue with that.

 

[M3J]

How many of them were at a "Yonkou" level at the time though? Wasn't this years before Roger became the Pirate King?

 

[Pirate Queen]

How many of them were at a "Yonkou" level at the time though? Wasn't this years before Roger became the Pirate King?

Not exactly just 1 year before Roger became PK and Roger was sick at the time.

And if clashing with Roger and Whitebeard makes one Yonko level Luffy is Yonko level for clashing with Big Mom and Kaido lol its nonsense.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

How many of them were at a "Yonkou" level at the time though? Wasn't this years before Roger became the Pirate King?

Well Roger was the pirate king already and made his farewells. But jeah WB and Kaidou werent prime yet.

 

[M3J]

Not exactly just 1 year before Roger became PK and Roger was sick at the time.

And if clashing with Roger and Whitebeard makes one Yonko level Luffy is Yonko level for clashing with Big Mom and Kaido lol its nonsense.

But Luffy was unable to put a dent in either Yonkou while Oden did some damage, no?

Well Roger was the pirate king already and made his farewells. But jeah WB and Kaidou werent prime yet.

Wait, I thought Roger and Oden clashed when Oden was with Whitebeard.

 

[Pirate Queen]

But Luffy was unable to put a dent in either Yonkou while Oden did some damage, no?


Wait, I thought Roger and Oden clashed when Oden was with Whitebeard.

Oden didn't damage either Roger or Whitebeard. His best feat is cutting Kaido in his most vulnerable form(full zoan) 20 YEARS ago where we don't know Kaido's strength back then and that somehow put him on Yonko level, but we do know he wasn't a Yonko back then.

I'm just saying there is no definitive proof he is a Yonko level but if making you Yonko class means simply clashing with a Yonko then Luffy has clashed with Fujitora, Akainu, Aokiji, Kaido, Big Mom, Kizaru, and Mihawk

Obviously I'm being dramatic lol

 

[M3J]

So basically, we agree that Oden's strength is being overhyped?

 

[nik87]

Oden managed to fight equally with base Kaido, five years after Roger became PK. That Oden returned far stronger than the one when he left, triumphant and invincible.
That Oden said that if he couldnt beat Kaido, no one else will either in a long time.

No question that Oden was a top tier but not equal to Kaido, nobody is equal to WSC, not even Whitebeard himself, confirmed in latest Ace novel.

 

[Fox666]

Not exactly just 1 year before Roger became PK and Roger was sick at the time.

And if clashing with Roger and Whitebeard makes one Yonko level Luffy is Yonko level for clashing with Big Mom and Kaido lol its nonsense.

You see the difference between what Luffy did and what Oden did, right?

- Luffy couldn't put any pressure on Big Mom - Whitebeard was very nervous from Oden's attack
- Luffy attacked Kaido with everything he had and Kaido suffered no injury - Kaido was almost killed by Oden
- Luffy was instantly defeated by Kaido - Oden was fine when Roger used a similar a attack

 

[Silvers Horse]

@Luke Beifong I believe White Beard was the strongest AFTER gold roger died and not during. The same with Kaido. I assume that Kaido is the strongest after White Beard died.

The strongest title doesn't mean that Kaidos pirate crew can obliterate shanks crew. It just mean that Kaido is stronger than Shanks (slightly imo), but we don't know which crew is stronger.

 

[nik87]

@Luke Beifong I believe White Beard was the strongest AFTER gold roger died and not during. The same with Kaido. I assume that Kaido is the strongest after White Beard died.

The strongest title doesn't mean that Kaidos pirate crew can obliterate shanks crew. It just mean that Kaido is stronger than Shanks (slightly imo), but we don't know which crew is stronger.

The story has several times put Roger and Whitebeard as equals and you can make a case for Whitebeard being stronger than Roger since he held WSM title while Roger was alive. The latest Ace novel has confirmed that Kaido was stronger than Whitebeard.

 

[Silvers Horse]

The story has several times put Roger and Whitebeard as equals and you can make a case for Whitebeard being stronger than Roger since he held WSM title while Roger was alive. The latest Ace novel has confirmed that Kaido was stronger than Whitebeard.

How do we know that? He is introduced as WSM 20 years after roger died

 

[nik87]

How do we know that? He is introduced as WSM 20 years after roger died

I think it was mentioned in Vivre Cards.

 

[Pirate Queen]

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The vivre card states it's in terms of his title not necessarily his power level. So even the vivre card doesn't back it up 100%

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You see the difference between what Luffy did and what Oden did, right?

- Luffy couldn't put any pressure on Big Mom - Whitebeard was very nervous from Oden's attack
- Luffy attacked Kaido with everything he had and Kaido suffered no injury - Kaido was almost killed by Oden
- Luffy was instantly defeated by Kaido - Oden was fine when Roger used a similar a attack

Whitebeard was nervous? Not surprised he was suddenly being attacking on an island the world know hardly anything about? And Luffy put pressure on Fujitoa, does it make him Admiral level? Zoro pushed Fujitora back as well, does that make him Admiral level?

Oden was fine because Roger brushed him off to deal with the bigger threat that was Whitebeard. Roger didn't even care about him and simply moved him out of the way.

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I wanna correct something as I'm rereading the flashback. In narration (basically Oda's own words)... Oden was a strong individual and over the course of his adventures because many times stronger, while this doesnt specify HOW powerful it could atleast be debated he was "Yonko" level so you could probably argue either way. I don't think Oden was stronger than Roger, WB, Kaido(at his strongest) or even BM.

I think title in One Piece are largely overrated and are not 100% ever. Being the world's strongest anything is hard to definitely prove. It does prove you are in the higher tier of fighter.

Oden should have been made the WSS to clarify because an attack on a creature 100 meters long is hardly an impressive feat as Kaido is at his most vulnerable. Of Oden could to it in Kaodo's human/hybrid form then it wouldn't even be an issue.

 

[nik87]

I think title in One Piece are largely overrated and are not 100% ever. Being the world's strongest anything is hard to definitely prove. It does prove you are in the higher tier of fighter.

What is the point of those titles if you think they are overrated and not 100% correct?

 

[Pirate Queen]

What is the point of those titles if you think they are overrated and not 100% correct?

Hype factors mostly. Fictional stories often use title like "World's Strongest" to hype up a person despite some one else possibly being stronger.

For example Naruto had the 3rd Hokage dubbed the "God of Shinobi" but was quickly proven to be inaccurate

Bleach had Yamampto who was the "STRONGEST SHINIGAMI" one to introduce a shinigami who could litterally control the color black and literally alter the names of anything

Dragonball Z, dont get me started

I'm not convinced Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, Garp, Akainu or Sengoku CAN'T beat WB 1 on 1 while he was sick in Marineford.

If titles were accurate he wouldn't have been the WSM at Marineford and the title would have been lost when he weakened but because there was no evidence he had lost power, Sengoku still acted as of he was the WSM when he was much weaker than when he actually held the title and it was true...

 

[nik87]

I'm not convinced Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, Garp, Akainu or Sengoku CAN'T beat WB 1 on 1 while he was sick in Marineford.
If titles were accurate he wouldn't have been the WSM at Marineford and the title would have been lost when he weakened but because there was no evidence he had lost power, Sengoku still acted as of he was the WSM when he was much weaker than when he actually held the title and it was true...

Kaido can defeat him, even when he is not sick because Kaido's title is superior, he isnt human.
Other than that, we saw what almost dead Whitebeard did to Akainu, two-shot him, barehanded and was still holding back and not using his lethal weapon.
Whitebeard did lose power and there was evidence and yet, among humans, he still was the strongest.
There is no problem with the titles if you ask me.

 

[Pirate Queen]

There is no problem with the titles if you ask me.

I didn't ask you... because your main concern is making sure titles are 100% accurate because if they are fluid then hurt your beloved swordsman title. Literally the only reason you care your not fooling anyone lol

WB didn't 2 shot Akainu.... he got back up and basically solo'd the remaining pirates with his ferocity. It barely slowed him down.

WB as he was in Marineford (not hooked up to his meds, lacking strong haki, heart attacks) was not him as the WSM. He no longer has the strength to fight those days long 1 v 1 fights, nor does he have the haki to do it. And in not saying he would lose... just that theres more evidence that BM, Shanks, Kaido, Akainu, Aokiji, Garp, and Sengoku COULD win 1 v 1.

The fact that he had the title while being equal to Roger and Garp further proves the title is questionable because HOW could he be the strongest when he has equals? That by its definition is a contradiction.

 

[nik87]

I didn't ask you... because your main concern is making sure titles are 100% accurate because if they are fluid then hurt your beloved swordsman title. Literally the only reason you care your not fooling anyone lol

It doesnt matter what I think about it, that is what manga says. You are the one who is trying to go around it and make those titles not what they are.

WB didn't 2 shot Akainu.... he got back up and basically solo'd the remaining pirates with his ferocity. It barely slowed him down.

He did, Akainu was done in the face of Whitebeard. What happened later has nothing to do with him not being able to continue the fight vs WB himself.

WB as he was in Marineford (not hooked up to his meds, lacking strong haki, heart attacks) was not him as the WSM. He no longer has the strength to fight those days long 1 v 1 fights, nor does he have the haki to do it. And in not saying he would lose... just that theres more evidence that BM, Shanks, Kaido, Akainu, Aokiji, Garp, and Sengoku COULD win 1 v 1.

He was WSM, his title and his response to Crocodile confirm it. "Days long fights" are just empty hype for off-paneled fights in case you didnt notice.
Akainu can fight Aokiji for 10 days off-panel, he cant stand 10 seconds vs Whitebeard on the panel. Good luck expecting days long fights on the panel.
They could win in 1vs1 while ganging up on him they couldnt? lol...

The fact that he had the title while being equal to Roger and Garp further proves the title is questionable because HOW could he be the strongest when he has equals? That by its definition is a contradiction.

Obviously was a stronger individual as I have mentioned several times. He was equal to Roger without his DF fruit, Roger didnt have the power to destroy the world. Garp has never had the "equal" portrayal.