One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

Mihawk was not putting much strength behind these attacks, he even hit Luffy before, but didn't caused much damage

When Mihawk decided to cut Daz Bones, he did it

Unless you are saying Daz Bones could seriously block an attack from Mihawk, I don't see the point?


Wapol body is not made of steel, but Wapolmetal.

The fact that Luffy could not shatter Wapol body like he did to Krieg, and that Franky used it on General Franky, means that Wapolmetal is more durable than steel

Also while it's not confirmed, it has been heavily implied that the Pacifista and Raid Suits may be made of Wapolmetal

Wapometal is impact resistant

 

[Fox666]

What I am saying is this: Mihawk can cut through a continent of steel, he cannot cut in two Mr1.

Mihawk choose not to cut Daz Bones in half

If Mihawk was willing to slice him, he would succeeded even if there was 1,000 of him lined up

 

[nik87]

Mihawk choose not to cut Daz Bones in half

If Mihawk was willing to slice him, he would succeeded even if there was 1,000 of him lined up

Agree to disagree.

The entire building slashed in half, magistrate nowhere close, from the same flow.

 

[Crimson Ice]

What's hurt on Daz Bones? He's annoyed? That's being hurt? Headcanon.

Nothing to do with density... Zoro said that in his hands the swords are worth it more.
Krieg's armor is big but thin, probably thinner than Arlong's saw.
Breaking steel and breaking a body(made of steel) are two different worlds. Mr1's body is probably 4th most durable body in the verse, of top of my head, maybe there are tougher.

None of these are proof for barehanded combatant having a fight to death with a swordsman. Sword just showed up on those fights once in a while.

I dont get how a continent of stone and sand will help you damage 1 meter of steel body...

You don't believe that no fan who has actually read One Piece in its entirety belives Daz Bones' even sniffs the top 20 most durable characters.

 

[nik87]

You don't believe that no fan who has actually read One Piece in its entirety belives Daz Bones' even sniffs the top 20 most durable characters.

His body is more durable than bodies made of flesh and blood, Kaido and BM aside.

 

[Crimson Ice]

His body is more durable than bodies made of flesh and blood, Kaido and BM aside.

No, Daz does not even crack the top 5 pre-TS characters. If you are serious then to you only three characters could take a lion song from Alabsta Zoro, and please tell me you do not think that, if you do say it now so I can just exit.

 

[nik87]

No, Daz does not even crack the top 5 pre-TS characters. If you are serious then to you only three characters could take a lion song from Alabsta Zoro, and please tell me you do not think that, if you do say it now so I can just exit.

I dont think you get me...
There is Kaido as most durable due to not being human and having dragon scales.
There is BM as 2nd most durable due to being a freak of nature since 7 years old?
There is Jozu who is more resistant to cuts but less resistant to blows.
There is Mr1 who is resistant to blows and cuts.

The rest have bodies made of flesh. The top 4 bodies>bodies made of flesh.
I am not scaling Mr1 into NW nor adding haki on top of his body, just taking the body as it is.

 

[Aliocha]

I think that even tekkai is much harder than steel

 

[M3J]

God the Zoro fanboys are even more annoying than the Itachi fanboys in the past. I do not know, if M3J is the same person like several years ago, but there was one persistent fanatic Itachi guy in the Naruto topic also. Seems that Zoro is the new fanboy magnet.

However Luffy > Zoro, this is still a Shōnen...

Btt:

Do you think that we will have still a monster trio with Jinbei joining or will it be a monster quartet?

Currently Jinbei is the strongest after Luffy imo, his feats are impressive (Ace, saving Luffy, fighting Akainu and withstanding Big Mom). But I can see Zoro and Sanji stepping up. Zoro for sure imo. I am not sure about Sanji. He was not really impressive after the time skip. Before that he was one of my favourite characters and he was also a powerhouse. Hopefully he will surprise us again in this arc. I miss the old times.

I think it will be like this in the future:

Luffy = Roger
Rayleigh = Zoro
Gaban = Sanji
Oden = Jinbei (came also from another crew)

Minato and Jiraiya fanboys were waaay worse than Itachi fanboys, though, they had no argument.


It'll be a monster quartet because I don't see Luffy separating himself from the others. Luffy's not going to have his crew members split up and have their own divisions like Whitebeard did, they'll stay together throughout the journey. DUnno about afterwards though, but it'll be a Monster Quartet for now. Just feels weird putting Luffy above the two (or three, now) as the crew isn't about that.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Minato and Jiraiya fanboys were waaay worse than Itachi fanboys, though, they had no argument.

Wasnt their a tournament on here that Minato won... without showing anything on screen at this time?

Anyway mr. 1 is durable yes, but Steel has lost his strength long ago. With the right haki it would be nice, but wasnt Kakus Tekkai harder while tanking the same attack that beat Mr.1?

 

[nik87]

Wasnt their a tournament on here that Minato won... without showing anything on screen at this time?

Anyway mr. 1 is durable yes, but Steel has lost his strength long ago. With the right haki it would be nice, but wasnt Kakus Tekkai harder while tanking the same attack that beat Mr.1?

He never took Shishi sonson on with his tekkai, he sensed he would be cut and countered with rankyaku.

 

[albertwv]

@Nik just drop the Zoro arguement and everyone else just ignore him.

The Nine Red Scabbards' strength. It seems that Kin'emon is the leader but is he the strongest? So far we have seen what Ashura Doji, Denjiro/Kyoshiro and the Minks can do. They seem to be YC level, well Denjiro has yet to prove himself to be that level all we seen is that Zoro acknowledged his strength but he also thought Killer was strong but defeated him. So Denjiro can possibly be YC level. BUT, let it be noted that both Dog and Cat could NOT defeat Jack 1 on 1. Ashura Doji seemed to be the only to be able damage Jack, but would he be able to defeat him at the end? I want to say NO because he seems to be on par with Dog. Dog and Ashura had a little practice fight and they seem to be equal. Dog could not defeat Jack therefore maybe Ashura can not defeat Jack either.
We can agree that Kin'emon vs Kanjuro is a given. Kawamatsu seems powerful but not as powerful as Jimbei. Kiku, Shinobu and Raizo have yet to prove themselves in a fight. But we can assume Raizo and Shinobu vs. Orochi's ninjas.

 

[M3J]

Wasnt their a tournament on here that Minato won... without showing anything on screen at this time?

Anyway mr. 1 is durable yes, but Steel has lost his strength long ago. With the right haki it would be nice, but wasnt Kakus Tekkai harder while tanking the same attack that beat Mr.1?

Yes. Minato fanboys are factually way worse than Itachi fanboys, at least arguments for Itachi were based on facts and evidence. All Minato had was "FAST REFLEXES!!1" and Jiraiya had "but Itachi when he was pretending to be a bad guy said Jiraiya would beat him and Kisame combined!"



Luffy without haki would not be able to beat Daz though, unless he finds a way to deal with the blades. I haven't seen or remember any argument other than "Daz can get hurt!!," which is not what I'm arguing against.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

@Nik just drop the Zoro arguement and everyone else just ignore him.

The Nine Red Scabbards' strength. It seems that Kin'emon is the leader but is he the strongest? So far we have seen what Ashura Doji, Denjiro/Kyoshiro and the Minks can do. They seem to be YC level, well Denjiro has yet to prove himself to be that level all we seen is that Zoro acknowledged his strength but he also thought Killer was strong but defeated him. So Denjiro can possibly be YC level. BUT, let it be noted that both Dog and Cat could NOT defeat Jack 1 on 1. Ashura Doji seemed to be the only to be able damage Jack, but would he be able to defeat him at the end? I want to say NO because he seems to be on par with Dog. Dog and Ashura had a little practice fight and they seem to be equal. Dog could not defeat Jack therefore maybe Ashura can not defeat Jack either.
We can agree that Kin'emon vs Kanjuro is a given. Kawamatsu seems powerful but not as powerful as Jimbei. Kiku, Shinobu and Raizo have yet to prove themselves in a fight. But we can assume Raizo and Shinobu vs. Orochi's ninjas.

Denjiro was obviously playing/toying with a serious Zoro who couldn't get past him and that was Denjiro been kind, knowing it was an ally.
At this point, I can't put Zoro above any of the praised scabbards - Ashura, Denjiro, Inu, Neko, Kawamatsu, and even Kiku until he shows how stronger he has gotten.

Ashura seems slightly stronger than Cat and Dog given his display with Jack in a short period compared to what either of the Minks could do (tie separately in a one on one with Jack).
Mind you, a clash or duel between allies cannot be taken seriously since neither will be actually serious in defeating the other.
Just because Ashura and Inu tied in a quick swordplay doesn't mean one isn't stronger.

Ashura has always been the strongest of the scabbards even b4 they grew stronger with Oden and then the 20 year time skip of which those who remained behind surely improved in power.
Denjiro been a Yakuza head in that period has clearly gotten stronger too - even if slightly - same with Neko and Inu.
In short, nearly all of the scabbards bar Shinobu, Raizo, and may be Kinemon can take on a YC in a one on one with a possibility of victory.

Jimbe, like any worthy Shichibukai is at the level of a YC and will no doubt perform well in a battle with one.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Did Law use his "room" to cut Punk Hazard? Because if not that's the greatest feat of pure swordsmanship in the manga

 

[Aki1991]

Yes. Minato fanboys are factually way worse than Itachi fanboys, at least arguments for Itachi were based on facts and evidence. All Minato had was "FAST REFLEXES!!1" and Jiraiya had "but Itachi when he was pretending to be a bad guy said Jiraiya would beat him and Kisame combined!"

I guess I hit a nerve. :P

Btt:

Do you think Zoro would have won against Crocodile also back in Alabasta? I do not think so...

 

[M3J]

I have PTSD from the shitty arguments

Unless he found a way to get water on his swords, he definitely would have lost. Luffy had the benefit of gum gum, from being able to carry water to I assume just needing one drop of water to get rehydrated, whereas Zoro was probably too normal by monster fighters standards to stand a chance.

 

[nik87]

The reaction of the Scabbards who have seen Oden cut Kaido:

Nobody else in Wano has managed to tame Enma aside from Oden Kozuki and still, Zoro needs to prove himself above Scabbards...

 

[thedude]

For Daz, remember, his skin isn't blades, he can make his body blades. But it requires him to actively do it. Luffy is able to avoid the blades and hit him, hitting him isn't equivalent to hitting a sword unless Daz turns that body part into a blade at point of impact. Given his grunts, he still gets internal damage from strikes, but getting hit with a sword by Zoro fits into his strength - a sword fight. We don't know how he'd react to blunt attacks the way Luffy delivers them. Luffy punched Crocodile through how many feet of rock? You don't think Daz would be feeling those punches?

Luffy>Crocodile>Zoro>Daz is likely the ranking of that arc at the end.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

The reaction of the Scabbards who have seen Oden cut Kaido:

Nobody else in Wano has managed to tame Enma aside from Oden Kozuki and still, Zoro needs to prove himself above Scabbards...

Enma is Oden's sword and keepsake for his children. Of course non of the Scabbards would stoop so low to taking Oden's sword when each has his own nor would they do that given their awe, love and respect for the man.
But no Zoro, he's the guy who needs to upgrade swords so as to be able to match the very best Samurai of Wano. How convenient he gets a legendary sword used by the legendary Oden.