Fantasy Macro runs the gauntlet

[Livinbreathineatin]

You do realize some foot soldiers from Alvarez resisted it right?

Nobody resisted Macro in Alvarez. The order didn’t effect some of the soldiers because it already effected the 30+ soldiers standing in front of them. Any other explanation doesn’t make sense. Some of the foot soldiers were much stronger than the other ones? Yeah right.

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Stops at Gray but I can see it having some kind of effect on Skullion and Erza, they’d have to resist it.

Macro is not a fodder curse. It has always effected everyone it’s been used on (soldiers from Alavarez don’t count the curse clearly didn’t reach them at all, there was no struggle).

 

[Ramen]

Nobody resisted Macro in Alvarez. The order didn’t effect some of the soldiers because it already effected the 30+ soldiers standing in front of them. Any other explanation doesn’t make sense. Some of the foot soldiers were much stronger than the other ones? Yeah right.

So? Lisanna says it didn't work on some and she said those are the ones we punch out and didn't try to use it again. That could easily mean they resisted. Plus, since when does number matter?

Not like it matters, Macro is outdated.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

So? Lisanna says it didn't work on some and she said those are the ones we punch out and didn't try to use it again. That could easily mean they resisted. Plus, since when does number matter?

Not like it matters, Macro is outdated.

She didn’t try to use it again because she couldn’t. Hence why there’s 30 sleeping soldiers on the floor. You think numbers don’t matter when controlling a wide range of people? So controlling 30 people is the same as controlling one person? How does that even make sense to you? It’s not an explosion or anything like that it’s literal mind control.

How is Lisanna saying it didn’t work on some of them mean they resisted it? News flash, maybe that means they weren’t effected at all?? LMAO. Why would some resist it and be completely unaffected but the ones in front of them were knocked out in two seconds?

Nothing is outdated. BSS in theory should be outdated since it’s the weakest demon Mira has yet she used it against Lucy and Skullion. Why? Because Mira’s strong so the form is strong as well. Every spell and curse is only as strong as it’s user. Thought that was obvious. Macro from current Mira would be problematic.

 

[Ramen]

She didn’t try to use it again because she couldn’t. Hence why there’s 30 sleeping soldiers on the floor. You think numbers don’t matter when controlling a wide range of people? So controlling 30 people is the same as controlling one person? How does that even make sense to you? It’s not an explosion or anything like that it’s literal mind control.

How is Lisanna saying it didn’t work on some of them mean they resisted it? News flash, maybe that means they weren’t effected at all?? LMAO. Why would some resist it and be completely unaffected but the ones in front of them were knocked out in two seconds?

Nothing is outdated. BSS in theory should be outdated since it’s the weakest demon Mira has yet she used it against Lucy and Skullion. Why? Because Mira’s strong so the form is strong as well. Every spell and curse is only as strong as it’s user. Thought that was obvious. Macro from current Mira would be problematic.

Macro is still outdated lmao. You are trying so hard to prove that Macro is still a factor in these fight and it's hilarious.

Current Mira still gets stomped Erza.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Macro is still outdated lmao. You are trying so hard to prove that Macro is still a factor in these fight and it's hilarious.

Current Mira still gets stomped Erza.

I’m sorry God I didn’t realize that what you say is absolute just because you say so /: also love how you didn’t actually argue with my points but go off...

Erza can’t stomp Mira. Medium diff the minimum.

 

[Jko]

NLF isn't a real fallacy.

Yeah it depends.
But, there are hax that has failed once enemy was in different tier as well.

Macro was resisted by even fodders, it's safe to assume that it wouldn't work on top tiers

Never resisted by fodder lol.

 

[Ramen]

I’m sorry God I didn’t realize that what you say is absolute just because you say so /: also love how you didn’t actually argue with my points but go off...

Erza can’t stomp Mira. Medium diff the minimum.

There is nothing to argue. You want me to argue outdated shit? Nah

Erza can stomp Mira. Feats prove this. Mira has no way to put Erza down. The Laxus fight also proves this.

Laxus doesnt even need RL to beat Mira lol

 

[Jko]

Yes, White Out worked on Erza and Laxus. Kyria's hypnosis also worked on Erza and Laxus. That's why they are better than macro.

Mirajane was allowed to use her actual power. She just didn't. I don't care about Goku, nor is it really relevant.

Aldoron doesn't even have a mental hax. He just reads people's minds and creates clones. This literally has nothing to do with counter macro or white out.

White Witch shouldn't have to even go near the orbs to white out Aldoron himself, now does she? White Witch didn't try to absorb the seals, and Selene didn't trick her into trying to do that. Happy threw the orb at her back. Selene tricked White Witch into destroying the orbs, which unsealed Aldoron's power.

Also, you're missing the point. The fact that White Witch feels the need to weaken the God Dragons proves that she's not confident her powers can work on a God Dragon in a direct confrontation. If she could just White Out all the God Dragons without effort, then there is no need to even steal Aldoron's power to fight Ignia. Just walk up to Ignia and steal his power.

Yet Macro worked on Erza so again still don't see anything to say it won't now.

It's an analogy which you seem to want to deflect bcs you know it's true. Allowed to? Then why didn't she? Please tell me anyone who voluntarily restricts them self to a far weaker version of themselves for no reason??? The author clearly restricted her power otherwise she wouldn't be fighting in her weakest form lol.

You do know she sucks the magic out of the things to White them out? If she can't suck the magic out of the orbs, how is she gonna suck out the rest of Aldoron's magical power? The orbs houses Aldo's mp in them so if she can't suck out the orbs power then she can't suck out Aldo's power. Also her being near them is meaningless lol. WW started to absorb the orbs when she got hit. Not bcs she touched it lol. Yeah, Selene gave her false info.

It worked on the Water God Dragon easily so she it has nothing to do with confidence. She got shoddy intel and went with what she got from Selene which was a lie. It had nothing to do with confidence but knowledge. She can't beat Ignia bcs Ignia has the power to burn magic lol. Her Whiteout would be useless since her magic would never get through his flames.

 

[Mirage]

NLF isn't a real fallacy.

Yes it is. All of a sudden you make the rules now?

You probably didn't even know about it until I mentioned it. Everything you argue is a NLF. You thinking Mira being able to use her ability on literally anyone is the definition of no limits fallacy. Feats are there for a reason, to show limits. You on the hand, argue in a backwards fashion and think abilities can be used on anyone since there wasn't a limit shown.

Shit I guess Mira really does macro Acnologia then and orders him to commit seppeku.

 

[Jko]

Yes it is. All of a sudden you make the rules now?

You probably didn't even know about it until I mentioned it. Everything you argue is a NLF. You thinking Mira being able to use her ability on literally anyone is the definition of no limits fallacy. Feats are there for a reason, to show limits. You on the hand, argue in a backwards fashion and think abilities can be used on anyone since there wasn't a limit shown.

Shit I guess Mira really does macro Acnologia then and orders him to commit seppeku.

It is not a real fallacy.

Acnologia has already shown to be nigh immune to magic lmao. At least use a proper example.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Acnologia has already shown to be nigh immune to magic lmao. At least use a proper example.

Macro is not magic right?

 

[Jko]

Macro is not magic right?

Curse is derived from magic and I don't think Mira or Gray use CP either so you can supply a Curse with MP instead of CP. Curse of Ankhseram wasn't going to work either otherwise Zeref wouldn't have been so scared lol.

 

[Axiomus]

Yet Macro worked on Erza so again still don't see anything to say it won't now.

It's an analogy which you seem to want to deflect bcs you know it's true. Allowed to? Then why didn't she? Please tell me anyone who voluntarily restricts them self to a far weaker version of themselves for no reason??? The author clearly restricted her power otherwise she wouldn't be fighting in her weakest form lol.

You do know she sucks the magic out of the things to White them out? If she can't suck the magic out of the orbs, how is she gonna suck out the rest of Aldoron's magical power? The orbs houses Aldo's mp in them so if she can't suck out the orbs power then she can't suck out Aldo's power. Also her being near them is meaningless lol. WW started to absorb the orbs when she got hit. Not bcs she touched it lol. Yeah, Selene gave her false info.

It worked on the Water God Dragon easily so she it has nothing to do with confidence. She got shoddy intel and went with what she got from Selene which was a lie. It had nothing to do with confidence but knowledge. She can't beat Ignia bcs Ignia has the power to burn magic lol. Her Whiteout would be useless since her magic would never get through his flames.

How about the fact that Erza has gotten stronger, and it hasn't worked on anybody way weaker than Erza even when it would have been mightily beneficial.

I simply don't know enough about dragon ball to comment. So again, I don't care about Goku, and it's not a comparison that really matters. Different authors, different series. The author not making her use an ability is not a real restriction. If anything, it's the author's way of telling us that this ability isn't really a game changer. It's one thing if there are any realistic expactions of Mashima ever making use of macro to beat anyone, but there isn't. We're more likely to see Natsu use his flames of savage emotions to beat a god dragon than ever seeing macro beat someone as strong as current Erza.

The orbs don't house Aldoron's MP. They just seal his movements. White Witch never tried to use white out on any of the orbs or absorb the orb in any way whatsoever. What happened was Happy threw the orb at the White Witch's back, and it reacted badly with her by turning her into a tree. She doesn't have to touch any of the orbs to attempt to cast White Out on Aldoron. Heck, even if the orbs contained Aldoron's power, she doesn't have to touch any of the orbs to cast white out on the orbs either.

It worked on Mercphobia because he was looking for someone to take away his power, and thought White Witch was there to help. Ignia being able to burn is still no excuse. Ignia isn't burning everything all the time. She could still conceivably white him out when he's distracted. Again, the fact that White Witch thought that she needed to do anything other than walk up to Aldoron and simply use white out tells us that she isn't confident that her white out can work on a god dragon. If WW could white out anyone regardless of how strong they are, she wouldn't need a way to weaken Aldoron in the first place.

 

[Mirage]

It is not a real fallacy.

Acnologia has already shown to be nigh immune to magic lmao. At least use a proper example.

Yes....it is a real fallacy. What're you talking about? You're straight up in denial at this point.

"No limits fallacy. The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold."

and that's precisely what you do with Mirajane's macro. You think macro affects literally anyone who hasn't shown resistance to it. Your thinking is backwards.

NLF.

 

[grey matter]

How about the fact that Erza has gotten stronger, and it hasn't worked on anybody way weaker than Erza even when it would have been mightily beneficial.

I simply don't know enough about dragon ball to comment. So again, I don't care about Goku, and it's not a comparison that really matters. Different authors, different series. The author not making her use an ability is not a real restriction. If anything, it's the author's way of telling us that this ability isn't really a game changer. It's one thing if there are any realistic expactions of Mashima ever making use of macro to beat anyone, but there isn't. We're more likely to see Natsu use his flames of savage emotions to beat a god dragon than ever seeing macro beat someone as strong as current Erza.

The orbs don't house Aldoron's MP. They just seal his movements. White Witch never tried to use white out on any of the orbs or absorb the orb in any way whatsoever. What happened was Happy threw the orb at the White Witch's back, and it reacted badly with her by turning her into a tree. She doesn't have to touch any of the orbs to attempt to cast White Out on Aldoron. Heck, even if the orbs contained Aldoron's power, she doesn't have to touch any of the orbs to cast white out on the orbs either.

It worked on Mercphobia because he was looking for someone to take away his power, and thought White Witch was there to help. Ignia being able to burn is still no excuse. Ignia isn't burning everything all the time. She could still conceivably white him out when he's distracted. Again, the fact that White Witch thought that she needed to do anything other than walk up to Aldoron and simply use white out tells us that she isn't confident that her white out can work on a god dragon. If WW could white out anyone regardless of how strong they are, she wouldn't need a way to weaken Aldoron in the first place.

I generally agree with the comment.

But, Mira not even using Halphas or Sitri is just a screw up from mashima IMO. Unlike Alegria, Sitri and Halphas doesn't drain her fast. I don't think it's a stretch to argue that Mira using Sitri or Halphas would've yielded better result with Skullion.

Characters not using powers that would be beneficial doesn't necessarily mean that the author is implying "it wouldn't have made a difference". Sure, that's one way to look at it. But another interpretation (more likely IMO) is that the author screwed up by not having them use these abilities. I can bring forth countless examples: Zeref, the legendary archmage, not using timestop or countless spells under his arsenal and instead relying on punches against Natsu; Jacob not clapping; Acnologia not catching the freaking ship; Mard not using huge AOE thorns (like he used against CSK) against Natsu and Co; the entirety of August; Laxus not using Law to solo all of Hargeon since they were all on our below his tier; Jellal not using Self Destruction to one shot opponents on and below his tier; Ajeel against Elfman..... I can go on. These are cases which are provably possible, but didn't happen....the only explanation is that Mashima fucked up.

Even in Skullion's off screen fight, how did Mira get injured when we know that Skullion's Ash magic doesn't injure but turns what it touches into ash? Did he use some other "non ash" magic and he failed to connect a single ash spell? Or did the his ash suddenly change the way it works and started injuring instead of turning what it touches into ash?
The entire off screen fight was dubious AF.

 

[Ramen]

I generally agreewith the comment.

But, Mira not even using Halphas or Sitri is just a screw up from mashima IMO. Unlike Alegria, Sitri and Halphas doesn't drain her fast. I don't think it's a stretch to argue that Mira using Sitri or Halphas would've yielded better result with Skullion.

Characters not using powers that would be beneficial doesn't necessarily mean that the author is implying "it wouldn't have made a difference". Sure, that's one way to look at it. But another interpretation (more likely IMO) is that the author screwed up by not having them use these abilities. I can bring forth countless examples: Zeref, the legendary archmage, not using timestop or countless spells under his arsenal and instead relying on punches against Natsu; Jacob not clapping; Acnologia not catching the freaking ship; Mard not using huge AOE thorns (like he used against CSK) against Natsu and Co; the entirety of August; Laxus not using Law to solo all of Hargeon since they were all on our below his tier! Jellal not using Self Destruction to one shot opponents on and below his tier; Ajeel against Elfman..... I can go on. These are cases which are provably possible, but didn't happen....the only explanation is that Mashima fucked up.

Even in Skullion's off screen fight, how did Mira get injured when we know that Skullion's Ash magic doesn't injure but turns what it touches into ash? Did he use some other "non ash" magic and he failed to connect a single ash spell? Or did the his ash suddenly change the way it works and started injuring instead of turning what it touches into ash?
The entire off screen fight was dubious AF.

Macro....../

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I generally agreewith the comment.

But, Mira not even using Halphas or Sitri is just a screw up from mashima IMO. Unlike Alegria, Sitri and Halphas doesn't drain her fast. I don't think it's a stretch to argue that Mira using Sitri or Halphas would've yielded better result with Skullion.

Characters not using powers that would be beneficial doesn't necessarily mean that the author is implying "it wouldn't have made a difference". Sure, that's one way to look at it. But another interpretation (more likely IMO) is that the author screwed up by not having them use these abilities. I can bring forth countless examples: Zeref, the legendary archmage, not using timestop or countless spells under his arsenal and instead relying on punches against Natsu; Jacob not clapping; Acnologia not catching the freaking ship; Mard not using huge AOE thorns (like he used against CSK) against Natsu and Co; the entirety of August; Laxus not using Law to solo all of Hargeon since they were all on our below his tier; Jellal not using Self Destruction to one shot opponents on and below his tier; Ajeel against Elfman..... I can go on. These are cases which are provably possible, but didn't happen....the only explanation is that Mashima fucked up.

Even in Skullion's off screen fight, how did Mira get injured when we know that Skullion's Ash magic doesn't injure but turns what it touches into ash? Did he use some other "non ash" magic and he failed to connect a single ash spell? Or did the his ash suddenly change the way it works and started injuring instead of turning what it touches into ash?
The entire off screen fight was dubious AF.

Didn't Erza say he can use Ash-Make?

 

[grey matter]

Macro....../

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Didn't Erza say he can use Ash-Make?

??


I don't remember, did Erza even see Skullion's abilities?

 

[Ramen]

??

It was a joke lol

I don't remember, did Erza even see Skullion's abilities?

Yea she said it here.

Spoiler: 1

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

There is nothing to argue. You want me to argue outdated shit? Nah

Erza can stomp Mira. Feats prove this. Mira has no way to put Erza down. The Laxus fight also proves this.

Laxus doesnt even need RL to beat Mira lol

Oh I love it when people ignore what they can’t argue against.

Erza can’t stomp Mira. She can’t stomp Gray or Skullion so how in the hell can she stomp Mira? I never said Mira would defeat Erza lol are you just saying things for the hell of it? Just because Erza would win doesn’t mean it would be a sweep. Mira can put up a fight against Skullion and Gray back to back but will be swept by Erza? Yeah, right.

The Laxus fight doesn’t prove anything in regard. Laxus was overrall stronger then Erza and beat her pretty handily after fodder stomping Kyria, something Erza never did. Kyria was still ready to fight after being hit with Erza’s DS sword. Erza and Laxus are not interchangeable.

Don’t downplay Mira.

 

[Ramen]

Oh I love it when people ignore what they can’t argue against.

Erza can’t stomp Mira. She can’t stomp Gray or Skullion so how in the hell can she stomp Mira? I never said Mira would defeat Erza lol are you just saying things for the hell of it? Just because Erza would win doesn’t mean it would be a sweep. Mira can put up a fight against Skullion and Gray back to back but will be swept by Erza? Yeah, right.

The Laxus fight doesn’t prove anything in regard. Laxus was overrall stronger then Erza and beat her pretty handily after fodder stomping Kyria, something Erza never did. Kyria was still ready to fight after being hit with Erza’s DS sword. Erza and Laxus are not interchangeable.

Don’t downplay Mira.

Again I don't need to argue outdated stuff senselessly like you. Macro is outdated. Bring me updated feats or don't say anything lol.

I'll sum up everything here: Erza has the feats to beat Skullion (Which Mira doesn't) and stomp Gray. She gave Laxus and extreme diff so you saying he beat her handily is a lie.

Erza is on Laxus' tier. Mira isn't. Anyone that is on Laxus' tier (like Erza, Natsu, Gildarts) can stomp Mira. Erza can also stomp Gray. The Skullion fight has a bunch of question marks so that's not an argument.

Don't wank Mira. But that'll never happen huh? You do have a track record.