One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

@nik87
@Lexusflame
If Big Mom beat Mihawk is she the WSS? If not, what is the difference between Big Mom and Shanks? Pretty relevant imo.
And how is Big Mom different from Fujitora, Law, etc.?

If she beats Mihawk, she is WSS.

you threw a tantrum because you don't like the facts.

What facts? How is Mihawk being part of 7 Shichis, 1/3 of WG whatever helping you regarding Mihawk's PL?

You can't agree to disagree nor can you make counter points to any on my comments with calling it my opinion... which is what you asked for when you started this.

Your argument was "majority knows". That's worse than Moe's imaginary majority. Majority doesnt know anything, the majority thinks.

Titles as they pertain to power levels is irrelevant. It's the feats that matter and its feat that Mihawk lacks. That's why its questioned.

Mihawk's feat is looking down on Yonko Shanks as someone not worthy his time.

Mihawks best feat is being stopped by a YC twice and cutting a frozen tsunami. That's it. He's largely a mystery.

And Shanks' best feat is clashing with top tier 2 times on panel. Same thing Zoro did. Impressive indeed.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Mihawk's feat is looking down on Yonko Shanks as someone not worthy his time.

And Shanks' best feat is clashing with top tier 2 times on panel. Same thing Zoro did. Impressive indeed.

And there it is... running back to Shanks because you feel threatened lol typical.

 

[M3J]

Imagine the irony if Mihawk's the WSS only because OP universe thinks Shanks got weaker because he lost an arm when in reality, they're probably either even more evenly matched, or Shanks is still superior. I mean, Whitebeard mentioned Shanks and Mihawk's legendary duel, but Mihawk sometimes afterwards said he didn't want to fight Shanks anymore because Shanks lost an arm. Why would the WSS keep challenging Shanks if Shanks is inferior? I think at the very least, they're nearly evenly matched.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Imagine the irony if Mihawk's the WSS only because OP universe thinks Shanks got weaker because he lost an arm when in reality, they're probably either even more evenly matched, or Shanks is still superior. I mean, Whitebeard mentioned Shanks and Mihawk's legendary duel, but Mihawk sometimes afterwards said he didn't want to fight Shanks anymore because Shanks lost an arm. Why would the WSS keep challenging Shanks if Shanks is inferior? I think at the very least, they're nearly evenly matched.

Probably the only right answer lol

 

[HereNThere]

Mihawk never looked down on Shanks. This is a guy who sought out this dude to show him Luffy's bounty and he then felt a bit of guilt towards him for testing Luffy.

Mihawk has been shown giving more consideration to Shanks than anything. The respect is there.

 

[nik87]

And there it is... running back to Shanks because you feel threatened lol typical.

...uhm what?

 

[M3J]

Mihawk never looked down on Shanks. This is a guy who sought out this dude to show him Luffy's bounty and he then felt a bit of guilt towards him for testing Luffy.

Mihawk has been shown giving more consideration to Shanks than anything. The respect is there.

Exactly. Mihawk probably even refuses to fight one-armed Shanks because he doesn't want a win over a handicapped Shanks, likely for their image and because it's not fair to Shanks. Mihawk is also all about honor.

 

[HereNThere]

Mihawk is also all about honor.

Yup. This is why I think he doesn't fight Shanks anymore. There is no honor in fighting a one armed opponent in his mind, even if said opponent was still a match for him.

 

[thedude]

Exactly. Mihawk probably even refuses to fight one-armed Shanks because he doesn't want a win over a handicapped Shanks, likely for their image and because it's not fair to Shanks. Mihawk is also all about honor.

I'd also be willing to bet that their duels were purely swordsmanship, with neither willing to injure the other. Friendly duels given neither seemed all that injured. So we can safely say that Mihawks' swordsmanship was at best marginally better than Shanks. We can't say anything about their strength in any other way. So to put Mihawk, a warlord, above Shanks, a Yonko, is to elevate an epithet that describes one aspect of Mihawks strength above all else...

...and all this to try to elevate Zoro to the strongest person in the manga.

It's amazing that this argument is so dishonest. We aren't even really arguing with Nik about how strong Mihawk is. Or at least, Nik isn't doing that. It's all a roundabout way of arguing in favor of Zoro.

 

[nik87]

So to put Mihawk, a warlord, above Shanks, a Yonko, is to elevate an epithet that describes one aspect of Mihawks strength above all else...
...and all this to try to elevate Zoro to the strongest person in the manga.

A Warlord is actually a title that signifies an individual's strength unlike the Yonko title. If it were about individual's strength Mihawk would have it since long ago. WSS is also a title that signifies an individual's strength. So far, Mihawk has more signifying strength than Shanks.

It's amazing that this argument is so dishonest.

Yeah, if my argument is dishonest, you surely can honestly disprove it?

Also, whether Zoro ends up strongest in the verse, it's in front of us. Enjoy the ride.

 

[Luke Beifong]

If Luffy beats Mihawk he will became the new WSS? And if he beats Mihawk and Kaido he will became the World Strongest Existence or he will became a God? Hahahahahahahaha

I’m just kidding ok guys? All this discussion is getting funny for me, all the arguments are over used already for both sides but no one want to give up.

In my opinion the title of World Strongest Swordsman can only be used by pure sword fighters. If you use DF powers or guns or others means of fighting you don’t deserve the title. But that’s only my opinion based only in what I think it’s right.

The discussion about Mihawk not fighting Shanks because of his arm makes me think. If Zoro lost his eye, will Mihawk still accept Zoro challenge?

 

[Pirate Queen]

If Luffy beats Mihawk he will became the new WSS? And if he beats Mihawk and Kaido he will became the World Strongest Existence or he will became a God? Hahahahahahahaha

I’m just kidding ok guys? All this discussion is getting funny for me, all the arguments are over used already for both sides but no one want to give up.

In my opinion the title of World Strongest Swordsman can only be used by pure sword fighters. If you use DF powers or guns or others means of fighting you don’t deserve the title. But that’s only my opinion based only in what I think it’s right.

The discussion about Mihawk not fighting Shanks because of his arm makes me think. If Zoro lost his eye, will Mihawk still accept Zoro challenge?

Yes, because Mihawk gets to pick and chose who he loses his Title to and who better than the one who you personally trained? It's an ego thing lol

 

[hokageji]

I think Mihawk vs Big Mom would a good example of why a Yonko > WSS....

She can sword fight, yes. But she can also do other stuff too. I think Shanks is capable of the same as well... A duel between swordsmen when strictly limited to swords would make one with exemplary swordmenship skills like Mihawk stronger than Linlin. But the minute Zeus or Prometheus are brought into it, everything changes.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think Mihawk vs Big Mom would a good example of why a Yonko > WSS....

She can sword fight, yes. But she can also do other stuff too. I think Shanks is capable of the same as well... A duel between swordsmen when strictly limited to swords would make one with exemplary swordmenship skills like Mihawk stronger than Linlin. But the minute Zeus or Prometheus are brought into it, everything changes.

Whoa now, that's just makes WAY too much sense to be true. Let's back it up cowboy

Lol

 

[nik87]

If Zoro lost his eye, will Mihawk still accept Zoro challenge?

Good question. Maybe he is too honorable to fight handicapped people.

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I think Mihawk vs Big Mom would a good example of why a Yonko > WSS....

She can sword fight, yes. But she can also do other stuff too. I think Shanks is capable of the same as well... A duel between swordsmen when strictly limited to swords would make one with exemplary swordmenship skills like Mihawk stronger than Linlin. But the minute Zeus or Prometheus are brought into it, everything changes.

What are Zeus and Prometheus changing?

 

[thedude]

I think Mihawk vs Big Mom would a good example of why a Yonko > WSS....

She can sword fight, yes. But she can also do other stuff too. I think Shanks is capable of the same as well... A duel between swordsmen when strictly limited to swords would make one with exemplary swordmenship skills like Mihawk stronger than Linlin. But the minute Zeus or Prometheus are brought into it, everything changes.

I think if it were strictly limited to using swords, yes, he'd be better than BM. But BM is also huge, and stronger than him, and more durable than him (her body is near indestructible without even using her haki!).

So I don't think it even needs to come down to using her other powers like Zeus and Prometheus, it's like my earlier boxing example. Pound for pound he's recognized as the best swordsman. But that doesn't account for a Yonko level strength like BM has, which on it's own would be enough to beat him.

The WG is terrified of these Yonko for a pretty big reason. They send fodder to arrest Mihawk.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think if it were strictly limited to using swords, yes, he'd be better than BM. But BM is also huge, and stronger than him, and more durable than him (her body is near indestructible without even using her haki!).

So I don't think it even needs to come down to using her other powers like Zeus and Prometheus, it's like my earlier boxing example. Pound for pound he's recognized as the best swordsman. But that doesn't account for a Yonko level strength like BM has, which on it's own would be enough to beat him.

The WG is terrified of these Yonko for a pretty big reason. They send fodder to arrest Mihawk.

Or her durability

 

[M3J]

I'd also be willing to bet that their duels were purely swordsmanship, with neither willing to injure the other. Friendly duels given neither seemed all that injured. So we can safely say that Mihawks' swordsmanship was at best marginally better than Shanks. We can't say anything about their strength in any other way. So to put Mihawk, a warlord, above Shanks, a Yonko, is to elevate an epithet that describes one aspect of Mihawks strength above all else...

...and all this to try to elevate Zoro to the strongest person in the manga.

It's amazing that this argument is so dishonest. We aren't even really arguing with Nik about how strong Mihawk is. Or at least, Nik isn't doing that. It's all a roundabout way of arguing in favor of Zoro.

I think they were willing to hurt each other, that they had no issue with that but were making sure they didn't really kill each other.

 

[nik87]

What was Kaido's durability good for against Oden? BTW, Kaido's durability>BM's.
Yonko level strength infused with Zeus which Luffy and Sanji didnt care about but it will affect Mihawk?

"Using Zeus and Prometheus changes everything." There ya go, two flies dont care about that change. But Mihawk will?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Big Mom has Zeus and Prometheus which can spam Lightening and fire and he cannot cut because they are intangible so Mihawk can't get rid of them. On top of being immune to damage unless certain condition are met and can spam Elbaf Spear.

Nothing this takes into consideration that she also has haki.

Clear win for BM

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The WG is terrified of these Yonko for a pretty big reason. They send fodder to arrest Mihawk.

Well we don't know who was sent after him as all we saw was a Buster Call converging on his island (5 Battle Ships) bbn it they did send a special unit against Weevil who is said to be as physically strong as a Young WB