Currently updating the recap and noticed @Crescent Jinx@Holt you used this color instead of this one for Beno ?is it a mistake ? seems to me more a yellow than an orange or its my monitor ?
If his teammates ruin it, they be automatically under the suspect list, to avoid zasz vote changing to you, someone who ok with the plan could vote someone else and be here when the thread is going to be locked, if zasz changes on you, that person could votelock on zasz
Didn't you read my big post, rly? :/
Zasz, there's no logic for an Assassin to pick Gry over him.
And if you go by the "Zasz is a bomb story", then Taku. I've been saying it was weird Taku was following the end of N1 since the start of D2.
I also don't like it how you didn't use your role on N1 AGAIN. You just did it in a game... We would expect people to learn a lesson and check their own role better next time, but it feels like you decided to use the Noble episode to get a free pass, since that way we don't have to connect a possible M. Apprentice to kills. I said twice today I might have a new role or get a new role alrdy and you just ignored those comments, didn't even argue back. Also, since Gry's town and says he was blocked and no BK showed up yet, wonder if you wouldn't be one of the people that would let him live and just impair him, since we have multiple killing parties and Van was one of them.
I don't get Bran's Investigator claim with no Janitor around. I said in the same big post I mentioned I think 8 investigative roles are too much. Also said before imo he's been posting little for someone that follows the game closely, but maybe that's just his style. Nothing big but him and Misho would be my "weird ones" among the investigative.
About Misho, I don't like the free passes he gets after fabricating stuff. He was important to get Beno, but not to get Van, he could very well be orange taking a ride on Gry's trust and on the fact he was correct initially.
Sam was also a great target for the Assassin (unlike Greg and Asako that can be killed at night), didn't rly like his post on Asako, as if she didn't provide reasons for her assumptions. But then again, I can't figure out what's going on...
For sure the Assassin PLANNED on getting rid of both me and Gry. And that's something to take into account while looking for his/her identity.
I have minor suspicions on others and many doubts, but those are the ones I'd consider more worthy of mentioning. The rest would be grasping straws, just 'cause I'm trying to look for answers myself and entering the reign of paranoia alrdy... I know I write walls but please read now >.>
It looks like I'm pretty much caught up and I think it's time for a run back.
First, it's going to be a long post so here's some of the fitting music I've been listening to while reading if you so desire it:
Your welcome.
Now, to start, here's some voting history to note (key voter names have had their name font size increased):
It begs the question, where's the red goons to help out Vand? Juvii, Pom and me are town(granted only juviii and pom are confirmed), Van went on Erin to save himself probably, and James voted later. I think Vand had 2 votes when Erin had 4. So either his team was asleep, or were perhaps both Erin and Vand on the same team so they tried to push up lakhan? Which are Brandish, Farf and Gryff.
This is something to keep in mind when thinking about claims for today. For example, how much you trust Asako, someone I personally think has been playing rather chaotically, could be influenced by her prior votes: I was more suspicious of Asako before seeing that she was the 2nd voter on Beno, confirmed mafia, since this is at least decent evidence that she's not in his mafia which narrows the likelihood.
While on the topic of Asako, she's a coin flip. On one hand, she's coming out with usable results and has a least one early mafia vote under her belt. However, on the other hand,...
...her behavior and general tone don't strike me as townie and, even though it would have been a pretty decisive vote before Pom shot Beno, her vote ended up inconsequentially going on Gryff by the end of the day. Additionally, I find her two detective targets very convenient for today's circumstances. Still, I would be lying if I said I didn't have both Erin and Gry (until his demise) on my suspect list as well. Also, if you're just sticking to your guns, then you're not always going to see others think the same way. So, Asako is someone I have an eye on, but she's no where near lynch-able at the moment.
Zasz. There wasn't much said, so I don't think there's much more I could say on this other than my conclusion: Given what we know about Zasz as a player, the current state of the town, and the incredibly high risk, I think dealing with Zasz should wait at least until after this coming N3. If a player in this game isn't familiar with the fact that Zasz has been doing MGs for a while and should know better than to mix up burden and freeman so blatantly, then they should at least be able to quickly surmise with a quick glance at the Freeman role that it is generally NOT the type of role you make obvious that you have. It is possible that he's a burden, however, the same applies for that role as well. Despite all that, Zasz went against conventional thought and wisdom and reveal that which usually shouldn't be revealed and did it when he really didn't need to at all. That was a very low pressure interaction until Zasz decided to change that. Townie or mafia, burden or freeman, there's clearly a play in the making there and I don't think it's wise to launch an all out assault right out the gate. As Gry said, we can let the opposing killing team(s) make their decisions and, come the following night, we can see what was done and make a more informed decision, perhaps with some investigation results as well.
All that being said, I think one more point worth addressing is the burden's wrongful status strictly as a "detriment" to any mafia team. If a mafia team has a day-killing assassin on their team, then while losing a mafia member is still a big loss overall, that member being a burden means they can do two back to back kills without having to worry about, investigations, blockers, docs, or even other non-assassin killing parties. Throw a mafia boss in there and that is an incredibly dominate team that generally has little concern for spies, morticians (RIP Gry), spirit mediums, sane doctors, blockers, hiders, and more than that since all these roles only take night phases into account. Again, I'm not saying Zasz is for sure a burden or a freeman, just something worthnoting when theorizing about team dynamics. I'll cap off this section with this quote I thought was worth keeping in mind going forward with Zasz and Farf:
Again, this is something to note for team theorizing.
Next, we're onto a person that's been on my suspect list since day one, Farfalla. I've said this every day phase now, but her behavior early on seemed off and that's what first made me start keeping an eye on her, James for similar reasons. My suspicions only grew when iirc, she was reluctant to vote for and place more focus on Beno before the Pom shot and ended up trying to raise Lakhan up for a lynch as opposed to voting up Vandred or Erin. I think Farf's rightfully earned a lot of suspicion. However, if I look at how she's been playing for the majority of the game, there's certainly mistakes, but she's not coming across as mafia to me. When I think of typical mafia behavior, I think of some a lot of lurking, unexplained vote casting, and instigation. However, I'm seeing posts like this:
Why? Antagonizing mafia is a part of the game and playing safe, when you never do, would just make you obvious. Every single day phase you've been saying "how am I still alive" as if you're trying to bait defenders on you, lol.
'Cause of TP? '_' As I just said in the part you just quoted?
Many roles are way more effective towards the end or have delays... you often use Morts in your games and even pairs of them. But meh, won't debate subjective bs, why I hate subjective hints, people can just go around them later or use wider interpretations.
Yeah, if that's a sentence you're using to show others your case, af caus XD Not uncommon of you to just act as if everybody have to hold you as confirmed townie no matter what anyway. For the non Grys, what I explained is just another example of how you use situations to serve your cases.
It does matter, Gry... I'm feeling like a broken record here when I insist you can't try to paint suspicion on people by saying Van's affilition with Beno was so obvious and they tried to go around it when Van was never affiliated to Beno, wtf. That was your sole point to throw distrust in a bunch of 4 or more today...
No, you have been the first to reveal stuff, that's a fact. I told you, when you don't fear consequences and think it could help, you do it. You hide it when you have something to gain from it. Why do you even ask people to reveal it if they'll follow your example and you'll leave them be? Feels like another show, honestly.
Also, rly... you know you're a relevant and resourceful player and people alrdy take you out only for that, and you want me to buy your main plan was to bait the mafia to kill you, just cause? XD When you're not even a trap? Right...
Dunno if I'd be "mad" if my action was a waste, that's so common in games lmao. That Escort part was just tantrum btw.
No, cause I don't believe you have a mafia doctor with you, since I don't believe you're mafia as I keep saying, hence the "was that a tease", LOL.
You can do something about it and, again, you have been doing it: painting a target on you over and over and gloating about being effective against both mafias to get protection. I told you, you even claimed that's what Juvs did.
Meh, if I get lynched, with some mafia being gone alrdy and some good town roles being legit (they can't all be liars), town can still win, so this new tantrum doesn't reach me, Marcie. At least this is defo better than the last game, feels way less frustrating...
I'm ranting? XD You were the one that instantly moved from your cool to straight atk, LOL. I just listed all the reasons I have had against you, now that it actually matters and means something. What you wanna say now, I'm not an aggressive player? '-' I'm passive? Rly? Wanna say I take accusations lightly overall or that I'm overboard now compared to previous games? You're rly stretching.
(I need my autocorrector... nvr thought I'd miss my phone ._. fu english)
To some degree, this reminds me of townie James or the behavior of any other townie with the confidence to not only try to actively participate, but to stand their ground or an extended period of time. Still, she hasn't had a good track record this game when it comes to accusations or votes (from what we can currently see anyways). However, she seems to currently be participating and acting enough like a town for her to not be at the top of my list at the moment.
The incredible honor of being my #1 suspect instead goes to...
Good ol' Brandy! The same standards of townie and mafia behavior I applied to Beno, Vandred, and Farf, I also apply to Brandish and he falls flat on the side of the dead, red, and guilty. He's been lurking and generally only popping in with short instigating posts, check. That quote above is an unexplained votekill snuck in behind someone else, another checkmark. he does this again right after Holt posts the kill, checkamark. Then, there's his attempts to incriminate people based on him saying we show up in the global mod only active user list at certain points in the game. Now, the main concern here isn't that Brandish is using his global mod priveliges to get an unfair advantage in a forum game, it's that began doing this in a big way, even before the assassin first popped up on day 2 and that he's been here imeadiately after the killings to point fingers at the other people here after the killing. To top it off, when he did this after Gry's murder, he point his finger squarely in one direction (to me) and then imeadiately votelocked on a completely different person, someone I voiced suspicion of far earlier on. Does this seem reasonable?
I'm inclined to say no.
Votekill Brandish
There's a few others also on my suspect list that didn't get sections here, namely James, Erin, and Shinobi, the last odd character I want to mention has to do with Brandish, Raven.
If you have little IQ you would figure out im confirmed townie imagine that if you have average iq. Regardless you were around when i asked to be host killed and i relevead my role during that time when @Farfalla asked me.
You are 100% Mafia-TP or bad liar or just a stupid person.
I do not trust Raven and I don't like how she's been talking to a lot of people this game, not that I'm a saint by any stretch of the imagination. Point is, it's incredibly difficult for me to support a lynch on Brandish knowing that there's someone who's been actively trying to gather votes for a train on Brandish like she's Goku trying to form a spirit bomb. However, given how bold she's been and quick she was to seemingly quit, I would be surprised if Raven has a team behind her. Regardless, multiple guilty parties have already been confirmed in this game and Brandish has made himself far more suspect than Raven right now.
Those are same of my thoughts and that is my vote. I'm going to bed soon, but I'm happy to address anything I wrote for a little bit before that.
Btw I also don’t believe the investigator claim, there is no janitor so far in the game, if anything, a mafis apprentice will learn jani and serve to “confirm” there should be an investigator . For now, focusing on Farfy should be the best, then we get Zasz next.
Here's the updated recap so far, please as usual, feel free to tell me if theres some missing hints or some mistakes !
sorry did really a quick recap, with that much pages to check couldnt do better. if i have some time before the end of the day ill update again, properly
I think we should lynch Farfy, she is pretty much confirmed non-town. Even if Asa-chan is a mafia det or something like this, she
Would be from different mafia, but I trust she is one of the dets.
