One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

Remember, Law's bounty froze after he became a Schibukai. So it's meaningless as a way to gauge his strength.

And given how the plot is moving, Law and Kid are going to be Luffy's WB. Friendly rivals (not always so friendly...but friendly enough) who are the equivalent of Yonko in the EOS.

It's not meaningless for me because Defining or using a Bounty as a threat lv is subjective and one's perspective. I use Bounties to power scale it's simply how I view them.

Law after Marineford, collected 100 Pirate hearts and like I said I forget minor details. But had a incident with Coby/Marines, that made the World news. So when Law's bounty was frozen it was at 440M. That's not his same Bounty before the time skip.

So it matters.

 

[thedude]

It's not meaningless for me because Defining or using a Bounty as a threat lv is subjective and one's perspective. I use Bounties to power scale it's simply how I view them.

Law after Marineford, collected 100 Pirate hearts and like I said I forget minor details. But had a incident with Coby/Marines, that made the World news. So when Law's bounty was frozen it was at 440M. That's not his same Bounty before the time skip.

So it matters.

It's how you view them...but it's wrong. Blackbeard's bounty was $0. He was strong enough to hurt Shanks. Bounties doesn't equal strength. Sanji had a much smaller bounty than Zoro for awhile because the marines literally didn't know who he was. Chopper and Bepo have comically low bounties. Kid had a larger bounty than Luffy pre time skip because he was more dangerous, not because he was stronger. Hell, when they said that Oda was explicit in the text why the bounty was how it was.

 

[Fox666]

Marco withstood a laser through his body and still kept going. The admirals never had seastone cuffs slapped on them like he did, to boot, so they could recover or remain impervious to attacks.

Marco was cuffed because of a weakness of his fruit. While he can regenerate, unlike a Logia he feel pain when injured, which destabilized him and allowed a weak Marine to cuff him.

 

[M3J]

Marco was cuffed because Whitebeard coughed up blood, and Marco got distracted by that and got cuffed as result....

 

[nik87]

Marco was cuffed because of a weakness of his fruit. While he can regenerate, unlike a Logia he feel pain when injured, which destabilized him and allowed a weak Marine to cuff him.

You can cuff any logia the way Marco was cuffed and they will feel pain when injured.

 

[Fox666]

You can cuff any logia the way Marco was cuffed and they will feel pain when injured.

I was talking about him being hit by Kizaru lasers before being cuffed.

 

[thedude]

I was talking about him being hit by Kizaru lasers before being cuffed.

He was running to WB still at the time, hence being cuffed from behind. Could have happened to any logia as well. If you are distracted because of something, you can get cuffed (see: Zoro back in Ennies Lobby, lol).

The only weakness Marco showed was caring for his captain, a man who the whole crew viewed as a father. anything else is just not in the text. Garp showed that same weakness, and had to be held down by Sengoku. It's not a bad thing for the characters to care about someone and lose focus, it's good writing, human nature. It doesn't say anything about their actual physical power though.

 

[Fox666]

The reason Marco got cuffed was because he was injured first, that is a weakness of his Devil Fruit

It's also his own fault for trying to save Ace on his own, he got punched by Garp and fell in the middle of the plaza, where there was countless Marines

 

[thedude]

The reason Marco got cuffed was because he was injured first, that is a weakness of his Devil Fruit

It's also his own fault for trying to save Ace on his own, he got punched by Garp and fell in the middle of the plaza, where there was countless Marines

So...you put the picture that shows what we were saying, he was running to WB's side, he got hit, he kept running, he got cuffed. And that makes him definitively weaker than an admiral how?

Note: I'm not even saying he's stronger than any of them. Only that he was shown to be a match, unafraid of them, held his own, and lost when he went to help his Captain.

 

[Fox666]

 

[hokageji]

@Fox666
are these official? That confirms WSS <<<<<<<<<< PK

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 21, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 21, 2020 ---

take it back, clearly fan made as Mingo is there twice, and Luffy's lower than Zoro..

 

[albertwv]

Wrong in so many ways. I don't even know where to start.... I'm just going to ignore it.

 

[McNuss]

If Sengoku and time were why he retreated, then why did he say fighting against Shanks was too much even for him when retreating, rather than retreating right after taking Whitebeard's power or when Sengoku attacked?

Because you don't have much time to say anything while being ragdolled by shockwaves.

It most likely will. The fact that Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman is reason enough for Zoro and Mihawk to fight, unless Zoro either ceases to chase that title or Mihawk is no longer the WSS. Why would the manga have Zoro's goal to be the WSS but not have him take on the WSS just because it "stops plot?"

Because One Piece arcs have a certain structure, and that makes a friendly sidematch between Zoro and Mihawk pretty unlikely. Don't get me wrong here, I don't think they neccessarily won't have a fight, I don't think that at all. But the time where Mihawk could be an arc-antagonist like Crocodile or Moria is over since a long time, as One Piece arcs always have a certain structure and are always centered around Luffy. That's why I think, other possibilities have to be considered

Facts.

"The point is that the YC were keeping up with the Admirals until they dropped their guard."

This one here is not. The point is, all of the YCs attacks either dealt insignificant damage or were negated efortlessly, and their fight with the Admirals only lasted a few minutes. We know all of these guys can fight for hours or even days against equal opponents.

We had Queen being completely owned by Big Mom recently, yet people still think that YC are equal or even close to Admirals and that is entirely wrong.

Everything suggests that the strenght gap between Admirals and Yonko Commanders is absurd.

Marco withstood a laser through his body and still kept going. The admirals never had seastone cuffs slapped on them like he did, to boot, so they could recover or remain impervious to attacks.

Logias do not have auto-regeneration. They can't recover from damage mid-fight. These guys at Marineford were all Haki users, yet only Whitebeard could affect the Admirals to a larger extent.


But I am out of this debate now, let's just agree to disagree. It was fun, but we also have this same discussion since a decade now and I want to do something else regarding powerlevels soon

 

[HereNThere]

take it back, clearly fan made as Mingo is there twice, and Luffy's lower than Zoro..

Now, to be fair, it's current Doffy and younger Doffy. I got confused too when I saw Whitebeard twice, but it's Primebeard and Oldbeard.

I have no idea why Kaido is up there with Roger and Whitebeard though.

 

[M3J]

Why is there only one Luffy but two Zoros and Sanjis?

Because One Piece arcs have a certain structure, and that makes a friendly sidematch between Zoro and Mihawk pretty unlikely. Don't get me wrong here, I don't think they neccessarily won't have a fight, I don't think that at all. But the time where Mihawk could be an arc-antagonist like Crocodile or Moria is over since a long time, as One Piece arcs always have a certain structure and are always centered around Luffy. That's why I think, other possibilities have to be considered

Don't be a Hannibal Psych, OP arcs don't always follow a certain structure. Mihawk doesn't have to be an antagonist for Zoro to fight him, but he is as long as he's the WSS as he's the main obstacle to Zoro's dream.

It's centered around Luffy, but other members get attention too. Vivi got plenty of attention in Alabasta, Robin had an arc focused on her, we learned more about Nami, Zoro got destroyed by Mihawk, etc etc.

"The point is that the YC were keeping up with the Admirals until they dropped their guard."

This one here is not. The point is, all of the YCs attacks either dealt insignificant damage or were negated efortlessly, and their fight with the Admirals only lasted a few minutes. We know all of these guys can fight for hours or even days against equal opponents.

We had Queen being completely owned by Big Mom recently, yet people still think that YC are equal or even close to Admirals and that is entirely wrong.

Everything suggests that the strenght gap between Admirals and Yonko Commanders is absurd.

Even if the other YC weren't, Marco definitely was. They weren't able to hurt each other until Marco got distracted.

Who thought that? Different YC have different levels of strengths and advantages. Katakuri could be weaker than Queen and still fare better against Big Mom just because of Future Sight.

 

[Fox666]

are these official?

How would it be?

Why is there only one Luffy but two Zoros and Sanjis?

There's Zoro from pre-timeskip and post-timeskip.

I don't know where Luffy falls now, so I left him out.

 

[HereNThere]

Everyone that's in the ? section of Supernova, sans Orochi and Sugar, should be one tier higher at the least.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Puting Kaido on the same level as The Pirate King and his great Parite Rival Whitebeard is not an insult but a blasphemy !

Puting Shanks on the same level as Aokiji and Kizaru, and beneath Akainu, is an underestimation AND an too much overestimation of Akainu (the Admirals are said to be equals and he ain't on Sengoku and Garp's level) !

Puting Rayleigh, the Dark King, beneath the likes of Shanks, the Admirals, Kaido and Big Mom, is an insult and an underestimation of the "Legend" he is ! Just because you're old doesn't mean you're weaker in One Piece.
That man could defeat in 1vs1 the current Yonko and Admirals.
The title of King of the Seas could've been his if he wanted.
Don't underestimate him because he's chilling at Sabaody

 

[M3J]

How would it be?


There's Zoro from pre-timeskip and post-timeskip.

I don't know where Luffy falls now, so I left him out.

Oooh you made it.

I know. I just didn't understand why you had two Zoros and Sanjis but only one Luffy (which I assumed was from before the timeskip). I think he's between B- and B+, but I think some in B+ are either too high or too low, otherwise Luffy is definitely on the same plane with Katakuri.

 

[Fox666]

Puting Rayleigh, the Dark King, beneath the likes of Shanks, the Admirals, Kaido and Big Mom, is an insult and an underestimation of the "Legend" he is ! Just because you're old doesn't mean you're weaker in One Piece.

Rayleigh was fainting during his fight with Kizaru.

Maybe when he was younger it was different, but I have no idea how much.