Not a good enough reason when you have Roger himself stating he and Garp nearly killed eachother many times.
We don't know how these combats went. It may have more to do with Garp throwing giant iron balls on the Oro Jackson, instead of a fist-fight with Roger.
And I think Buggy implied that Whitebeard was the only adversary who was truly equal to Roger.
As for the panic, again incorrect because we saw in the flashback that they willingly went to war with the Roger Pirates and there was no panic either....
None of em look panicked to me...
Of course the Whitebeard Pirates aren't running away.
But we don't get to see how they reacted when they found out that Roger was on the island, and wanted to fight them.
And then putting Rocks so low?
I placed Rocks in the
? category. I have no idea how strong he was. I assumed he was strong enough to be
at least somewhere in the A tier.
I think it's a fine idea to have pre and post-timeskip versions of certain characters like the Strawhats and Supernova, but additional sub-categories like forms and arc versions are just...pendantic to me. For example all that's really important is whether we're measuring their strength as they are now for characters like Strawhats and older charaters( Garp, Rayleigh, Sengoku, Whitebeard) or how they strong they were before the timeskip or flashback (for said older characters).
There are only a few cases which I bothered in listing the specific arcs. I think it's important to specify it for Luffy, for example.
I made this on html, it should not be very hard to edit it, if anyone is interested...
WB was in a near death state the whole battle. We saw already his reflexes were basically gone as at marineford. He took a full blown punch to the face and still pummeled Akainu to the ground again. Then went on to do same to BB and finally fell after tanking combo multiple point-blank attacks from the BBPs.
That's why I put old Whitebeard below his young self...
Kaido on the same tier with Prime Roger and WB is too much imo.
That's purely based on the "strongest creature" or "in a one-on-one fight, bet on Kaido" thing.
Perhaps the story will show otherwise (and won't take many chapters from now). But until then, Kaido gets the highest spot.
Shanks lower than the others tbh is very weird. Akainu stood down when he saw Shanks, even before anyone said anything. Shanks went on to WB's ship and clashed with WB with no issues. Stopped Kaido from reaching the war, blocked Akainu's punch easily, and forced literally everyone at the war to stand down..Not sure why you would have him lower than Akainu and on the same tier with Kizaru/Aokiji.
All of the Admirals clashed against Whitebeard, so it's consistent, right?
But I think Whitebeard was stronger than them. Akainu is the only one who actually pushed him to his limit, that's why he's higher.
When Shanks stopped Akainu, the later was already injuried. I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks could have have defeated Akainu by that point.
Also weird that you would have Oden on A+ when you put Shanks on A.
Oden is a tier below young Whitebeard, that's all.
Rayleigh a tier under kizaru when he was taking on Kizaru + Pacifista is also puzzling.
I explained this before. Rayleigh himself said he was too old to fight Kizaru, and was fainting.
The supernovas on the same tier with Luffy, Sabo, Jinbei, Cracker is also weird.
I always thought Kid, Law, Drake, Hawkins and Appo were crazy strong. I myself find weird how they are underestimated.
Urouge we do have some reference, since he defeated Snack.
Then you have the scabbards below them? Denjiro, Ashura, JACK??, Inu/Neko below these supernovas?
It's a bit hard to compare them, since we don't have much reference.
However, when Luffy started plummeting Kaido, Ashura was quite shocked.
And it did not appear to me that it was only because Luffy was not scared of Kaido, but because Ashura could also feel the power behind Luffy's punches in Gear 4.
And I'm assuming Jack and the others are equal to Ashura. So I put them all 1 tier below Luffy with Gear 4.
And Zoro so many tiers below the supernovas even after what he did to Hawkins?
Yes, Zoro is below Luffy without Gear 4.
Zoro only hit Hawkins with a slash, but Hawkins ability prevents him from getting hurt. How many times have we seen Logias being hit by weaker opponents?
Plus Hawkins proved to be an absolute genius, and outsmarted Law a few times.
Burgess, Vergo, Chinjao same tier? And Zoro so many tiers below the supernovas even after what he did to Hawkins?
Burgess performance against Sabo was pathetic. The Sweet Commanders or All-Stars would never loose like that. That's why Burgess is below them.
Vergo is someone I think is very underestimated. He did not just punished Sanji and Smoker, but Ceasar and Doflamingo said he could defeat Law. And I think their error was underestimating Law, not overestimating Vergo.
Yes he does. I forgot if Big Mom knew him, but Chinjao definitely did. Whitebeard also acknowledged Garp, and Garp is known as the hero of the Marines. Garp's fame is also apparently why he hasn't been killed or fired from the Marines as well.
Nah, it'd have either been the same or nowhere near bad as Roger and Whitebeard seemed to have friendly rivalry. Plus, Whitebeard did say "he's just an old man," as if trying to make Garp not look as intimidating.
Of course Garp is famous worldwide. It's just not like Roger or Whitbeard. Nobody is.
Of course, Garp being at least strong enough to be an Admiral, is never going to be fired from the Marines. The Tenryuubito understand that, even if he's not flattering them, they need his military mighty.
