Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

We saw 5/8 DSM for GS. What's the point of the other 3.

Mashima most probably didn't have any ideas for other three. Most of them were basic elements right.

 

[Ramen]

Mashima most probably didn't have any ideas for other three. Most of them were basic elements right.

We saw Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Lightning. He could've put Ice, something metal related, light or darkness kinda thing.

Would've been sick if he had some next level elements.

 

[grey matter]

I mean look at August. King of Magic but he is a copy cat.
Dimaria Warrior Queen my ass. She is the Queen of Stripping.

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Jacob assasin but can't look at boobs.

He's king of magic because of his "copy". Think of it as an extremely heightened learning ability. The only way to master all magic is to instantly learn them the moment you see it

 

[GL_Nova]

Jura was stated to be on par with Gild in magical power. Portrayal meant squat and Jellal wasn't portrayed above Jura either. Laxus only won Jura bcs of PoF which admittedly was pretty asspullish.

Please show me the POF in that fight?

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Technically, in the manga, laxus said he cant put erza down without red lightening mode

Because we saw the result. Laxus with all his power (one erza is shocked about) cant put erza down. He is barely stronger than her. He only seems to have slightly more stemina, thats it. So if erza is shocked by laxus power, it logically follows, she never thought of him as strong as herself.

Sigh, erza is not cocky, never was. Stop making things up. Erza unlike you people, is not baised (unless natsu js involved), unlike you people have better knowledge of magic. She saw laxus against hades, heard of him against jura, saw his ajeel nuke, and made a logical deduction that laxus is below her. Now she is shocked that laxus can match her and somewhat beat her.

Erza didnt get any boost, she got slightly stronger sword. Laxus got an entire freaking mode, which might even have made him faster as well as stronger(his lightening body thingy was red).
Laxus made the claim that blood powers the red lightening thing. I dont know, what am i supposed to make of it other than a boost in power.

Erza didnt get any outside help. She got a new sword. She used the fire and ice sword while holding back.

We saw after laxus statement, that they were equal. Why didnt kiria say anything about laxus being superior. There is no indication in the manga that in the final phase laxus was dominanting.
We have only indication that in the past, laxus performance would be much lower.


This why i dont take you people seriously. Any statement that even hints at laxus superiority, you people believe jt like its some sort of bible. But other way statement are ignored so fast.

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I would agree with natsu being mary sue
Wendy sure
And erza well

If you actually look, she has been treated horribly since tartarus. That definitely not mary sue quality. Stripped and tortured in tartarus arc
And decent good fight against ajeel, and needed help
Tortured again by nienhart
Kiria pet
And now, for the first time, a main character lost to secondary one, who isnt a boss villain

After this call erza mary sue, is kinda difficult.

Laxus beat jura, he nearly got one shotted in the start. But got up and fought on equal footing.
Laxus bs against wahl
Laxus bs against kiria

For a secondary character this is bad.

Ok, so I really need to know what you’re talking about.

Technically Laxus said small attacks won’t work. Which is a decent acknowledgment since he normally finishes his fights with 1 spell.

Laxus with all his power, put Erza down. It’s why she ends the fight on the ground passed out. Laxus dealt more damage than she could handle. Laxus could have stomped her out after he speech about how poorly she misjudged their power ranking. This is after she spent the entire fight on the back foot. The running theme of the battle is her shock over how powerful Laxus has become. Which considering her recent opponents, bodes great for his current standing.

An this simply goes to show just how cocky Erza is. She has been shown wrong about his power every time they see Laxus fight. Taking on both Dragon Slayers, holding off Hades, destroying Raven Tail, besting Jura, he consistently outperformed her stated expectations. She has been consistently wrong about his strength in general, especially in relation to herself. We see that she has to use everything she has and comes up short.

Erza power is entirely dictated by the weapon she is using. Her armor and swords are responsible for her spells. An trying to downplay having two new swords with slayer powers, is as ridiculous as trying to argue her purgatory armor is as strong as her Nakagami armor. We aren’t going to pretend like we don’t understand her having stronger swords or more powerful weapons is a boost to her. An her slashing him with the intent to knock him out instead of killing is holding back.

We saw after his comment that Erza put up a good fight, but it wasn’t even. Laxus still held command of the fight. He landed more blows; cast more spells, and was the last man standing. There’s a reason that even before the speech Kiria recognized that Laxus has won the battle. In this instance it shows that clearly had they fought earlier it would have gone the same way. Clearly without the extra amps, Erza would had had no answers.

 

[Jko]

Please show me the POF in that fight?

Bruh, Laxus almost got KOed in one attack and then took several attacks that were above them. Jura was portrayed as a monster to even Laxus yet lost despite having the upper hand lol. Then he talks about Natsu and getting fired up....

 

[GL_Nova]

@Jean Grey summed it up

But here's my discussion with grey matter, if you missed it.

I read everyone’s response and am genuinely disheartened. While I agree it was BS how the fight was handled, we clearly could have had more, it was still gotten across what happened. Laxus has some of the best AOE and attack power in the entire manga. An a massive pool of mana to work with. All of the opponents he has had have been designed to both fit his narrative and beating the best current Wizard Saint in a pure power match is a big deal. It should have been given more screen time, but we see that their spells are quite even. An we know DS have the edge physically, on top of him being a Dreyar. I don’t see it as POF or an asspull though, just a bad storytelling choice.

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i wouldn't bother responding to you cause you will ignore even the manga facts when it comes to laxus

and hate a fantasy charcater isn't issue if it's get overrated

I only respond to the Manga, it’s where my confidence in my answers comes from. Have a good one. Keep that energy

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Bruh, Laxus almost got KOed in one attack and then took several attacks that were above them. Jura was portrayed as a monster to even Laxus yet lost despite having the upper hand lol. Then he talks about Natsu and getting fired up....

He gets blasted and immediately retaliates. It’s not different than some of the other powerful blows FT members take in the start of their battles and still rally. I mean he essentially dealt Erza the same blow in their fight, people don’t feel she used POF.

 

[Jko]

I read everyone’s response and am genuinely disheartened. While I agree it was BS how the fight was handled, we clearly could have had more, it was still gotten across what happened. Laxus has some of the best AOE and attack power in the entire manga. An a massive pool of mana to work with. All of the opponents he has had have been designed to both fit his narrative and beating the best current Wizard Saint in a pure power match is a big deal. It should have been given more screen time, but we see that their spells are quite even. An we know DS have the edge physically, on top of him being a Dreyar. I don’t see it as POF or an asspull though, just a bad storytelling choice.

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I only respond to the Manga, it’s where my confidence in my answers comes from. Have a good one. Keep that energy

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He gets blasted and immediately retaliates. It’s not different than some of the other powerful blows FT members take in the start of their battles and still rally. I mean he essentially dealt Erza the same blow in their fight, people don’t feel she used POF.

Bcs she was never presented as "down" like he was lol. Jura laid him out flat and then just stopped doing so lol.

 

[sharkai]

Please show me the POF in that fight?

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Ok, so I really need to know what you’re talking about.

Technically Laxus said small attacks won’t work. Which is a decent acknowledgment since he normally finishes his fights with 1 spell.

Laxus with all his power, put Erza down. It’s why she ends the fight on the ground passed out. Laxus dealt more damage than she could handle. Laxus could have stomped her out after he speech about how poorly she misjudged their power ranking. This is after she spent the entire fight on the back foot. The running theme of the battle is her shock over how powerful Laxus has become. Which considering her recent opponents, bodes great for his current standing.

An this simply goes to show just how cocky Erza is. She has been shown wrong about his power every time they see Laxus fight. Taking on both Dragon Slayers, holding off Hades, destroying Raven Tail, besting Jura, he consistently outperformed her stated expectations. She has been consistently wrong about his strength in general, especially in relation to herself. We see that she has to use everything she has and comes up short.

Erza power is entirely dictated by the weapon she is using. Her armor and swords are responsible for her spells. An trying to downplay having two new swords with slayer powers, is as ridiculous as trying to argue her purgatory armor is as strong as her Nakagami armor. We aren’t going to pretend like we don’t understand her having stronger swords or more powerful weapons is a boost to her. An her slashing him with the intent to knock him out instead of killing is holding back.

We saw after his comment that Erza put up a good fight, but it wasn’t even. Laxus still held command of the fight. He landed more blows; cast more spells, and was the last man standing. There’s a reason that even before the speech Kiria recognized that Laxus has won the battle. In this instance it shows that clearly had they fought earlier it would have gone the same way. Clearly without the extra amps, Erza would had had no answers.

What i am talking about?

Well first, silly statement like without enchantment erza wouldnt stand a chance. Why only remove erza gain, also remove laxus gain?

Two, outside help. No one got outside help

Three erza is not cocky, yes, she underestimated laxus. Basically this shows laxus was never that stronger than her (unlike laxus fans belief). This does not mean erza is cocky (her characterwas never portrayed her as cocky). It just means fans over hyped laxus too much.

Four why do you ignore erza was holding back statement (ajeel nuke hype or gmg jura hype is accepted without question)

Five why did laxus talk about blood boosting red lightening, if its not boosting laxus even more

So hopefully you understand what i mean. Now my response this post.

Nope. Erza lost because lack of magic. Damage laxus did on her wasnt stopping her. This is clearly explained in the manga. Laxus couldnt stomp her, he was about to.pass out himself.

Your belief pre ts laxus >> pre ts erza

What erza concluded after seeing all laxus feats
Erza>laxus

What is the truth
Laxus>=erza (most likely after laxus improvements or was like this forever)


Yes, erza new sword is a boost to her. Like new spells for laxus. To me though the boost isnt that big like a new mode or new magic (lfd, des, red lightning)

Erza never tries to kill, especially not a friend. I am not sure why are you trying to bring this up
The situation would not be same if laxus was genuine evil guy and wendy was about to be killed by laxus.

Laxus dominated the fight when erza was holding back. Like you said erza never thought laxus was her equal (she paid the price). After laxus comment, they were perfectly equal. Kiria only made the comment after erza fell from exhaustion. Before that kiria didnt know who was stronger.

Yes, maybe before the first time skip the fight would have gone the same way. Without laxus red lightening mode and erza belserion sword, though red lightening mode is a bigger boost compared to belserion sword though (nothing about erza new swords power were mentioned)


I hope everything is clear now

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He gets blasted and immediately retaliates. It’s not different than some of the other powerful blows FT members take in the start of their battles and still rally. I mean he essentially dealt Erza the same blow in their fight, people don’t feel she used POF.

Just wanted to say, that the situation isnt the same. After jura strike, we were led to believe laxus was out for awhile. I think saw people disheartened expressions.
In erza case, she just glared back and wondered how much laxus has improved

 

[Seven777]

What i am talking about?

Well first, silly statement like without enchantment erza wouldnt stand a chance. Why only remove erza gain, also remove laxus gain?

Two, outside help. No one got outside help

Three erza is not cocky, yes, she underestimated laxus. Basically this shows laxus was never that stronger than her (unlike laxus fans belief). This does not mean erza is cocky (her characterwas never portrayed her as cocky). It just means fans over hyped laxus too much.

Four why do you ignore erza was holding back statement (ajeel nuke hype or gmg jura hype is accepted without question)

Five why did laxus talk about blood boosting red lightening, if its not boosting laxus even more

So hopefully you understand what i mean. Now my response this post.

Nope. Erza lost because lack of magic. Damage laxus did on her wasnt stopping her. This is clearly explained in the manga. Laxus couldnt stomp her, he was about to.pass out himself.

Your belief pre ts laxus >> pre ts erza

What erza concluded after seeing all laxus feats
Erza>laxus

What is the truth
Laxus>=erza (most likely after laxus improvements or was like this forever)


Yes, erza new sword is a boost to her. Like new spells for laxus. To me though the boost isnt that big like a new mode or new magic (lfd, des, red lightning)

Erza never tries to kill, especially not a friend. I am not sure why are you trying to bring this up
The situation would not be same if laxus was genuine evil guy and wendy was about to be killed by laxus.

Laxus dominated the fight when erza was holding back. Like you said erza never thought laxus was her equal (she paid the price). After laxus comment, they were perfectly equal. Kiria only made the comment after erza fell from exhaustion. Before that kiria didnt know who was stronger.

Yes, maybe before the first time skip the fight would have gone the same way. Without laxus red lightening mode and erza belserion sword, though red lightening mode is a bigger boost compared to belserion sword though (nothing about erza new swords power were mentioned)


I hope everything is clear now

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Just wanted to say, that the situation isnt the same. After jura strike, we were led to believe laxus was out for awhile. I think saw people disheartened expressions.
In erza case, she just glared back and wondered how much laxus has improved

Erza never considered herself above Laxus. From the beginning she wanted Gray and Natsu to help her against him, and that's kinda what she got.
Outside help will be determined if she can use those swords again without Wendy's DS seal.
Erza lost due to damage, which is why she's currently still unconscious.
That's funny, why do you ignore the Ajeel and Jura statements but acknowledge the Erza holding back statement? Double standard much?
Nothing suggests RLM is a bigger boost than Belserion sword, the fact that they used these abilities at the same time implies that they're similar amps.

 

[Demon Hunter]

He gets blasted and immediately retaliates. It’s not different than some of the other powerful blows FT members take in the start of their battles and still rally. I mean he essentially dealt Erza the same blow in their fight, people don’t feel she used POF.

he didn't.

Laxus said to Jura it's between of them. Jura just hit Laxus insanely hard (and a clear one) while Laxus was in high speed attack.

Spoiler

he wasn't on the floor even that long. the anime made it look like it took him 5 minutes LOL.

people really call everything BS and PoF this days to fit their argument.
I mean, I can't believe people see this as BS

the fight is since it was off paneled and went right to finisher.

Erza never considered herself above Laxus. From the beginning she wanted Gray and Natsu to help her against him, and that's kinda what she got.
Outside help will be determined if she can use those swords again without Wendy's DS seal.
Erza lost due to damage, which is why she's currently still unconscious.
That's funny, why do you ignore the Ajeel and Jura statements but acknowledge the Erza holding back statement? Double standard much?
Nothing suggests RLM is a bigger boost than Belserion sword, the fact that they used these abilities at the same time implies that they're similar amps.

she probably thought she is too strong hence Hypnosis worked on her.

I mean, she openly said that Natsu beat Acnologia to the point Natsu himself had to say that everyone worked hard to beat Acnologia.

 

[sharkai]

Erza never considered herself above Laxus. From the beginning she wanted Gray and Natsu to help her against him, and that's kinda what she got.
Outside help will be determined if she can use those swords again without Wendy's DS seal.
Erza lost due to damage, which is why she's currently still unconscious.
(Are you suggesting erza will be the first character to lose a power up, even cana didnt lose faury glitter)

That's funny, why do you ignore the Ajeel and Jura statements but acknowledge the Erza holding back statement? Double standard much?
Nothing suggests RLM is a bigger boost than Belserion sword, the fact that they used these abilities at the same time implies that they're similar amps.

Dont know if she wanted them to save the orb or defeat laxus. From tye beginning she wanted to steal the orb, not beat laxus.

But think about it. Laxus is barely stronger than erza, then why is erza shocked. If she believes laxus is above her, there should be no shock that laxus was overwhelming her.

Outside help is already determined. She did used enchantment herself on panel. No one near her. Its your people style, give benefit of doubt to everyone but erza

She lost because of lack of magic. That why she fell. She is out most likely because mishma has other plans.

You people do doubt standard. Ones a statement hyping laxus is released, you know 10000% that the statement is accurate. Once its otherway around ignore it. Now you shouldn't complain if i follow your steps.

Not sure about it. There is nothing stating the power of the sword. But there are statements about red lightening. They could be equal. Equal mages needing equal boost to match eacb other. Wont argue here

 

[Seven777]

Dont know if she wanted them to save the orb or defeat laxus. From tye beginning she wanted to steal the orb, not beat laxus.

But think about it. Laxus is barely stronger than erza, then why is erza shocked. If she believes laxus is above her, there should be no shock that laxus was overwhelming her.

Outside help is already determined. She did used enchantment herself on panel. No one near her. Its your people style, give benefit of doubt to everyone but erza

She lost because of lack of magic. That why she fell. She is out most likely because mishma has other plans.

You people do doubt standard. Ones a statement hyping laxus is released, you know 10000% that the statement is accurate. Once its otherway around ignore it. Now you shouldn't complain if i follow your steps.

Not sure about it. There is nothing stating the power of the sword. But there are statements about red lightening. They could be equal. Equal mages needing equal boost to match eacb other. Wont argue here

Seems like foreshadowing her two new swords to me

Simple, because even with her DS seal Laxus was smacking her around. And without it, Laxus was still smacking her around.

Not really, we don't know if she can do it without Wendy's seal, we don't know if she needed Natsu and Gray to give her power before hand to put in those swords, we don't know if the correct translation is that Wendy did it or Erza did it, all thats said is that its passed down from Wendy. As for giving the benefit of the doubt, no it's your "style" to always give it to Erza, which is what you're doing by saying "Outside help is already determined".

She lost because of damage, which is why she's still unconscious.

Except thats you, it's always been you. You always ignore hype for Laxus, and you always take hype for Erza at face value, shown perfectly in this argument. Don't pretend you have EVER taken stuff like the Jura hype into consideration, or that you have EVER failed to put forth an Erza hype as truth. It's simply never happened. You never followed anything, this is what you've done from the start and you questioning why Gl Nova would ignore an Erza statement and believe a Laxus statement is laughable.

Sure, except Laxus is stronger of course, how much so has yet to be determined.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Erza having the power of the Enchantments on her own is iffy.

the Dragon Seal is more believable but even that is iffy since Erza needed Wendy to enchant that Seal

Spoiler

Spoiler: her sword came from Wendy as well

seems unbelievable to me that she learned Enchantment magic on her own immediately after Merc arc.

 

[Seven777]

the power of the enchantments if iffy.

the Dragon Seal is more believable but even that is iffy since Erza needed Wendy to enchant it for her

Spoiler

Spoiler: her sword came from Wendy as well

seems unbelievable to me that she learned Enchantment magic on her own immediately after Merc arc.

It also makes no sense in the first place. Enchantment magic is transferring magic that exists into something else, which is why Eileen needed Belserion to create Dragon Slayers. For Erza to enchant those new swords herself, even if she knew how to do it without Wendy, would mean that she already possessed DS magic and DeS magic, unless she's so good she's already better than Eileen and can just create DS magic

 

[Demon Hunter]

It also makes no sense in the first place. Enchantment magic is transferring magic that exists into something else, which is why Eileen needed Belserion to create Dragon Slayers. For Erza to enchant those new swords herself, even if she knew how to do it without Wendy, would mean that she already possessed DS magic and DeS magic, unless she's so good she's already better than Eileen and can just create DS magic

all points lead me to believe that she had Wendy enchanting her before the battle with FT.

 

[Seven777]

all points lead me to believe that she had Wendy enchanting her before the battle with FT.

She had to have. Even if Erza could make those swords herself she'd have to have done it before the battle, and she'd have to have had Natsu and Gray's help, which is why Laxus called her meticulous. The only other explanation is that she's a better enchanter than Eileen and Wendy. That aside, given the fact that she needed Wendy to do it like a week earlier, chances are that it was Wendy who did it all anyway

 

[Demon Hunter]

She had to have. Even if Erza could make those swords herself she'd have to have done it before the battle, and she'd have to have had Natsu and Gray's help, which is why Laxus called her meticulous. The only other explanation is that she's a better enchanter than Eileen and Wendy. That aside, given the fact that she needed Wendy to do it like a week earlier, chances are that it was Wendy who did it all anyway

yeah, basically.

the translation is either off or Hiro is being Hiro

Spoiler

makes no sense otherwise.

in other words

Laxus >= Erza (with prep)

Laxus > Erza

 

[Kiki]

@ Jean Grey & Seven777 yeah I think Erza can do enchantment, and your whole point with the Irene and Belserion is right, Seven777. It's Wendy teaching Erza how to enchant, and then the latter plants Natsu's and Gray's magic into her swords.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@ Jean Grey & Seven777 yeah I think Erza can do enchantment, and your whole point with the Irene and Belserion is right, Seven777. It's Wendy teaching Erza how to enchant, and then the latter plants Natsu's and Gray's magic into her swords.

in other words, a plot hole or something.

 

[Seven777]

@ Jean Grey & Seven777 yeah I think Erza can do enchantment, and your whole point with the Irene and Belserion is right, Seven777. It's Wendy teaching Erza how to enchant, and then the latter plants Natsu's and Gray's magic into her swords.

I'd say it's more likely that Erza simply activates Wendy's enchantments like she did on the ship against Kyria, not that she actually performs the magic transfer onto the swords herself. As I understand it the direct translation for Erza's statement was "passed down from Wendy" not Wendy directly taught me(why say Wendy directly taught her, thats a weird statement) but you know jap right? What's it actually say?