One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Fox666]

Thing is, there isn't even any indication for FS to detect the attacks.

Fair enough, Luffy could sense the "spirit" or Katakuri incoming fists. It may not be possible with Apoo ability.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

My points are crystal clear you are the only one missing it. It doesn't take 8-12 paragraghs normally but this seems to be a special case. This is why I said shortly originally everything is flying over your head.

You are dropping point after point after what you are saying gets address. No most of my wall of text aren't me being angry unless you consider disagreement anger as I touch on all of your points you respond to 1-2 of mine. Even those aren't responses you really aren't making ground on any of your points and just furthering the convo, hence walls of text.

Context, context, CONTEXT! You said it wasn't even his strongest attack still knowing nothing of Apoo. Not saying it is his strongest attack but context and common sense would tell you if he thought an attack would take down an admiral he would have no reason to think it wouldn't harm Luffy and Zoro and he was right it did.

I answered the FS thing it could have worked we don't even know if it did or didn't Luffy had no earthly idea what hit him nor do we know 100% how Apoo delivers his attacks. Have you never seen something coming and failed to prevent it? Better yet have you just been straight up hit by something you didn't see? FS isn't omnipotence its a future from the users point of view. The manga has told us next to nothing of Apoo yet you confidently make statements about things that have yet to be address in the manga you don't know what level of attack that was from Apoo context tell you its pretty strong if he thought it would harm Kizaru. You think Luffy should tank a hit just cause Luffy right? And even then he was fine. Head cannon central.

Ok you believe Luffy should have performed better I have said over and over again your opinion is fine. The issue is you don't simply leave it as your opinion. You critique the manga based on your head cannon when context conveys otherwise. All the answers to your questions and disputes are in the manga thats how I can address them. Now if you choose to accept it or ignore it is on you.

Once again opinion is fine but critique of the manga with just your speculation isn't valid. I'm not mad at you I'm trying to help you.

Concession accepted. You definitely are too angry from my critiques here and i like to have proper discussion so this is the end of our conversation in this topic

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Fair enough, Luffy could sense the "spirit" or Katakuri incoming fists. It may not be possible with Apoo ability.

Unless further explanation is given, then the apoo ability should be treated in similar manner to other DF. I mean, katakuri could even use FS to see new form like G4.

 

[Mwhitt]

Concession accepted. You definitely are too angry from my critiques here and i like to have proper discussion so this is the end of our conversation in this topic

How can we have a proper discussion if you haven't even debated any of my points and only furthered the discussion? You are right its going nowhere.

Nice talk! Lol

 

[Fox666]

Concession accepted. You definitely are too angry from my critiques here and i like to have proper discussion so this is the end of our conversation in this topic

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Unless further explanation is given, then the apoo ability should be treated in similar manner to other DF. I mean, katakuri could even use FS to see new form like G4.

Didn't Katakuri heard Luffy say "Gear 4" in a possible future?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Didn't Katakuri heard Luffy say "Gear 4" in a possible future?

From what i recall, luffy just went to the gesture to inflate his muscle and just transformed.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji could not land a clean hit, drake won against sanji in the clash. RS sanji might be a more fair fight. Sanji ran away from the fight with wounds.

Drake barely get a hit in after multiple strikes and Sanji wasn't fazed much by it as he kept fighting with him. Zoro was one running away once facing Kyoshiro and he wasn't even a enemy at all. Sanji stay to fight until call for everyone to leave the area, so Idk what headcannon you mean by that at all.

 

[M3J]

Thing is, there isn't even any indication for FS to detect the attacks. Luffy should at least know what's going to happen. And luffy can move really fast. He escaped from a point blank explosion by CC gas.

Doesn't Luffy need to actually use FS for it to work? It's not like that's turned on 24/7, especially if Luffy's moving around. He also likely didn't anticipate the way Apoo attacked, and I see nothing wrong with Apoo hurting Luffy and Zoro despite "but Luffy is YC level!!1"

 

[Pirate Queen]

People don't not understanding how haki(speifically Future Sight) works is why this is such an issue ths chapter, nor do they understand how sound waves work.

People literally have to be spoon fed explainations from Oda

 

[King Moe]

People don't not understanding how haki(speifically Future Sight) works is why this is such an issue ths chapter, nor do they understand how sound waves work.

People literally have to be spoon fed explainations from Oda

Wasn't it mention by Katakuri that you need to be focus and calm when using COO, it's not 24/7 unless you are thoughout. Luffy is in difference case compare to Zoro who natural have poor COO, so make sense for Zoro. Luffy have to focus to gain FS before hand and he didn't have time to see through future when Apoo was attacking back to back in sync.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

People don't not understanding how haki(speifically Future Sight) works is why this is such an issue ths chapter, nor do they understand how sound waves work.

People literally have to be spoon fed explainations from Oda

Or, people just make headcanon to defend oda's writing.
I am just going with the known fact that FS should be able to see anything. Is it a power to see a bit in the future after all. Nothing suggests for luffy to lose his composure (as zoro said, luffy had 'get it out of the system' after he punched the beast fodders)

 

[M3J]

Pretty sure like CoO, it has to be actively used.

 

[Brandish μ]

Just on the sound waves, it seems Apoo uses them to perform normal attacks (punches, slashes, explosions), as opposed to the ability acting like actual sound waves? Maybe with awakening we'll see some devastating stuff.

 

[King Moe]

Just on the sound waves, it seems Apoo uses them to perform normal attacks (punches, slashes, explosions), as opposed to the ability acting like actual sound waves? Maybe with awakening we'll see some devastating stuff.

Would be interesting if Apoo was the first Supernova to have and use Awakening First if he does, then he can use his environment as his own band everywhere and anytime. He would be so OP XD.

 

[nik87]

People don't not understanding how haki(speifically Future Sight) works is why this is such an issue ths chapter, nor do they understand how sound waves work.
People literally have to be spoon fed explainations from Oda

Do tells us what we dont understand and how you plan to save Luffy's face in an impossible situation.

Zoro who natural have poor COO

Do you have proof that Zoro's CoO is bad?
From what I see, his CoO is better than both Luffy's and Sanji's.

 

[Brandish μ]

Do you have proof that Zoro's CoO is bad?
From what I see, his CoO is better than both Luffy's and Sanji's.

Perhaps its my memory, but I can't recall Zoro being better than Luffy in any type of haki.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Perhaps its my memory, but I can't recall Zoro being better than Luffy in any type of haki.

current luffy should have better CoA mastery than zoro, at least. This might change if zoro can make his swords into black swords, though
i think EoS zoro will have better CoA while EoS luffy still wins in mastery of CoO

 

[nik87]

Perhaps its my memory, but I can't recall Zoro being better than Luffy in any type of haki.

I cant recall Luffy performing better than Zoro in any type of Haki either, CoC aside.
Zoro used both types back in Alabasta and to this day those types of haki remain better than what Luffy has to offer.
Also, seeing that Zoro's future opponent is an invisible human who can probably hide even his aura, Zoro's CoO being better is a normal thing.

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current luffy should have better CoA mastery than zoro, at least

Why? Quite the contrary, imo. His Hardening has always been bad while he just learned the flow which Zoro used back in Alabasta and has shown a barrier back in Fishman Island... Internal destruction is of no use for swordsmen, Rayleigh the swordsman who can use internal destruction has shown us that...

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I cant recall Luffy performing better than Zoro in any type of Haki either, CoC aside.
Zoro used both types back in Alabasta and to this day those types of haki remain better than what Luffy has to offer.
Also, seeing that Zoro's future opponent is an invisible human who can probably hide even his aura, Zoro's CoO being better is a normal thing.

--- Double Post Merged, May 24, 2020, Original Post Date: May 24, 2020 ---

Why? Quite the contrary, imo. His Hardening has always been bad while he just learned the flow which Zoro used back in Alabasta and has shown a barrier back in Fishman Island... Internal destruction is of no use for swordsmen, Rayleigh the swordsman who can use internal destruction has shown us that...

Good point for zoro feats. I will reconsider my judgement here for luffy and zoro

 

[nik87]

Headcannon,nice try. Luffy and Sanji are better than him in many stats and COO is one of them. Come back when Apoo isn't slicing him in instant and him verbally saying he can't predict or see his attack.

Luffy didnt do anything better. You still didnt post proof of them having better CoO than Zoro and you never will...

 

[King Moe]

He had enough time to focus, his CoO is no better than Zoro's, neither is Sanji's. Seems like Luffy and Sanji are even shittier tier in CoO and CoA especially.
Or do you have proof to back up your delusions?

No he didn't. Apoo came with barrage of attacks for him to focus on that and again sound attacks are more tricky to avoid than straightforward fist.

Nah Zoro is only shit tier on his Haki. Luffy and Sanji especially this arc got better Haki than him especially dealing threats to beat instead Zoro choosing to run instead of fight like you complain about those who choose to run away. The two got backing, but Zoro doesn't have evidence being better on his Haki especially what Kamazou did to him and he was nerfer.