Chapter Tower of God Chapter 485 Spoilers & Discussion

[Demonspeed]

I had doubts before but now I think Maschenny is stronger than Jinsung. Anyway, no matter who she ends up fighting I don't see her losing at all. We have yet to see a Princess at a really high level fight for real. Yuri is too young unlike Maschenny.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

Maschenny stronger than EVK? If she activate her sword and take pill then yes, but her advantage will be not that but rather battle experience in terms of battling against HR's. Also it's seems she is cool headed and calculative, and this is big advantage too over EVK, who can loos her mind during battle. Problem is, that she is vastly outmatched. She can fand against EVK, but if Kallavan or White helped EVK, then this will be very dangerous for Maschenny.

 

[EternalWinter]

Will Lep help Evankhell at this point. That's the real question. I somehow doubt Maschenny wants to get into a prolonged fight here. Chaos is best served if FUG wins here.

Regarding Kaiser, I think Hwa sent her to rescue the remaining HG members.

 

[Demonspeed]

You guys talk about Yellow May but 13MS weapons aren't that great. Maschenny has probably much better items just like Yuri.

 

[EternalWinter]

You guys talk about Yellow May but 13MS weapons aren't that great. Maschenny has probably much better items just like Yuri.

The only weapon we saw from Yuri that was stronger was Kranos, and we never did get it shown one way or the other if it could actually pierce Karaka's armor

 

[sazon]

Guys, remembering that the pill was said by Eduan as something that forced Shinsoo's internal control, it is much more likely that Maschenny already mastered this without using the pill.

Furthermore, it is quite plausible to think that yes, she is the biggest obstacle in this battle. Zahard princesses have always been said to be true monsters in the tower. Maschenny is a DD of the Koon family and still has one of the 13 months and unlike Yuri she didn’t become a ranker recently, SIU prepared her from the beginning, definitely she is one of the strongest in ToG. "ah, but she didn't hurt Ha Jisung", we are talking about a monster of the genesis who is a family technician specialized in strengthening, it is understandable that normal attacks do not, but that does not imply that she is weaker than him, we we already know enough members of the Koon family to know how cunning and ironic they can be.

Many are underestimating Zahard's army, remember that even in the genesis, with all those powerful rankers, FUG's achievements were so small in the total sense of the empire, that there is barely any data on. The FUG always lost to Zahard, of course, it could be that every time this happened, an irregular (FH) was involved. But still, it is too early to sing victory.

Yasratcha is one of the most sadistic, manipulative and cunning characters we've seen so far, he watched the whole fight on the first wall, he wouldn't appear against so many high-rankers without a definitive plan.

I really hope that he will show something worthy of what has been shown to us so far, especially before people start with their theories as to why he should join Baam.

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You guys talk about Yellow May but 13MS weapons aren't that great. Maschenny has probably much better items just like Yuri.

BM and GA are rank-b items and when the ignition is activated they become rank-A, they may not be the most powerful weapons in the tower, but they are still powerful weapons, even for high-rankers.

 

[Turtle hunter]

i think kallavan allying with FUG still make sense. if he wait until FUG battle was over, the glory of battle goes to 5th squadron, and once again, proving that the 4th squadron is useless. taking back command by force while the nest's defense has just been breached? now that's even an extra opportunity to prove himself and his bois

also, if anything i'd say his allegiance to jahad is slowly thinning out. the fact that he now thinks about his men while in battle is a dead giveaway

About Kallavan , if he end uo figting with Jahad it is clearly treason . Imagine if he is in some part responsible of FUG side winning and ruining jahad plan . I would be pissed of if i was at his place .

It is not like there are no alternative for him . He id not forced to take revenge the same day , he can wait till there is an opportunity and figth Lyboric without helping his ennemy .

 

[cash2088]

Guys, remembering that the pill was said by Eduan as something that forced Shinsoo's internal control, it is much more likely that Maschenny already mastered this without using the pill.

Furthermore, it is quite plausible to think that yes, she is the biggest obstacle in this battle. Zahard princesses have always been said to be true monsters in the tower. Maschenny is a DD of the Koon family and still has one of the 13 months and unlike Yuri she didn’t become a ranker recently, SIU prepared her from the beginning, definitely she is one of the strongest in ToG. "ah, but she didn't hurt Ha Jisung", we are talking about a monster of the genesis who is a family technician specialized in strengthening, it is understandable that normal attacks do not, but that does not imply that she is weaker than him, we we already know enough members of the Koon family to know how cunning and ironic they can be.

Many are underestimating Zahard's army, remember that even in the genesis, with all those powerful rankers, FUG's achievements were so small in the total sense of the empire, that there is barely any data on. The FUG always lost to Zahard, of course, it could be that every time this happened, an irregular (FH) was involved. But still, it is too early to sing victory.

Yasratcha is one of the most sadistic, manipulative and cunning characters we've seen so far, he watched the whole fight on the first wall, he wouldn't appear against so many high-rankers without a definitive plan.

I really hope that he will show something worthy of what has been shown to us so far, especially before people start with their theories as to why he should join Baam.

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BM and GA are rank-b items and when the ignition is activated they become rank-A, they may not be the most powerful weapons in the tower, but they are still powerful weapons, even for high-rankers.

It was implicated that internal shinsoo boost isn’t an inherently easy technique to master. It was implied the reason the pill exists is that it is probably nigh impossible for a regular to achieve.

Same with most knock off or derivative techniques used by family regulars they are facsimiles of their IRREGULAR family heads...

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With varying percentages of efficacy.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

When SIU announces a Hiatus so you end up Re Reading Tower of God for the 100th time

 

[cash2088]

And who was it RAGING about the new 4th division NOT being there????

Way to be right!!!

It made no sense why they wouldn’t be there? Logic would dictate if it (4th division) were to be destroyed and replaced, the replacement would be there to fill the role of the “disposable” division.

 

[sazon]

It was implicated that internal shinsoo boost isn’t an inherently easy technique to master. It was implied the reason the pill exists is that it is probably nigh impossible for a regular to achieve.

Same with most knock off or derivative techniques used by family regulars they are facsimiles of their IRREGULAR family heads...

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With varying percentages of efficacy.

Where exactly was that implied? It's a sincere question, because I don't remember anything related to it. As far as I remember, there are two ways to control Shinsoo, external control, as Baam normally does and internal control, which we saw Eduan say that the pill starts from this principle, the biggest example of what we saw was Data Zahard, who uses Shinwonryu internally , just like Baam uses the orb.

And even though it is something very difficult to master, we are talking about a high-level princess and a direct descendant of her family's FH. So it is not impossible for her to dominate without the use of pills. And as far as we know, the only way to handle shinsoo exclusive to irregulars is shinwonryu itself.

 

[King Dryst]

I hope SIU actually takes a long enough break to get his health back in order. We'll all still be here whenever the next chapter comes.

 

[AshDVanguard]

Imagine this

FUG pulling back to the needle in a hurry to escape, augusgus and mule are dead trying to protect the transporter, inside is one of yas minions dead and sophia breathing heavy ,hood is back revealing her face, evank is being carried in by soo oh shes bearly holding on to life, whatever was in there almost killed her and khel sacrificed himself to save her, karaka is carrying jinsung, doom carries the dead body of paul, yama was beaten to a pulp but got to kill yas and karaka teleported him to his heart to rest,Lyborick fled with the army once he saw he couldnt win the war but kallavan is dead as is his subordinates except sharon. The giant snek is on FUG's heels and is quickly catching up but they have too many casualties to outrun it, baam,cha and dowon fire shinsoo blast at it to slow its movement, dowon's leg gets caught and cha sacrifices himself to save her but shes unconscious so now baam carries her, the snek is not dead but badly wounded...then out of the blue mas arrives and kills it in one blow. FUG escapes Zahard is humiliated and now both sides have no choice but to fully commit to all out war. Mas gets her chaos and no one but her and baam knows what she did....will never happen but sounds fun

 

[Epic_Rider]

I really hope SIU feels better. Neck problems are no joke, so he should take as long as he needs.

It's kinda funny that fans were so up in arms over Kallavan that SIU had to say ahead of time, and put it down in the chapter, that he was only around temporarily, but no one seems to care that White is hanging around.

Evankhell is getting some death flags now. If she does die, I wonder if Khun could inhert that Ancient inside her and get the other half of the primordial flame?

Where exactly was that implied? It's a sincere question, because I don't remember anything related to it. As far as I remember, there are two ways to control Shinsoo, external control, as Baam normally does and internal control, which we saw Eduan say that the pill starts from this principle, the biggest example of what we saw was Data Zahard, who uses Shinwonryu internally , just like Baam uses the orb.

I was under the impression that Shinsu boost was a very difficult technique you coud only handle if it was your shinsu quality, like Maschenny, Ran and Miseng.

 

[Demonspeed]

Guys, remembering that the pill was said by Eduan as something that forced Shinsoo's internal control, it is much more likely that Maschenny already mastered this without using the pill.

Furthermore, it is quite plausible to think that yes, she is the biggest obstacle in this battle. Zahard princesses have always been said to be true monsters in the tower. Maschenny is a DD of the Koon family and still has one of the 13 months and unlike Yuri she didn’t become a ranker recently, SIU prepared her from the beginning, definitely she is one of the strongest in ToG. "ah, but she didn't hurt Ha Jisung", we are talking about a monster of the genesis who is a family technician specialized in strengthening, it is understandable that normal attacks do not, but that does not imply that she is weaker than him, we we already know enough members of the Koon family to know how cunning and ironic they can be.

Many are underestimating Zahard's army, remember that even in the genesis, with all those powerful rankers, FUG's achievements were so small in the total sense of the empire, that there is barely any data on. The FUG always lost to Zahard, of course, it could be that every time this happened, an irregular (FH) was involved. But still, it is too early to sing victory.

Yasratcha is one of the most sadistic, manipulative and cunning characters we've seen so far, he watched the whole fight on the first wall, he wouldn't appear against so many high-rankers without a definitive plan.

I really hope that he will show something worthy of what has been shown to us so far, especially before people start with their theories as to why he should join Baam.

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BM and GA are rank-b items and when the ignition is activated they become rank-A, they may not be the most powerful weapons in the tower, but they are still powerful weapons, even for high-rankers.

Redan has its issues but you need to absorb the pill no matter your level I believe, that's how it was explained when Ran used it for the first time. The way it works is different from the basic Internal Shinsoo Control(like what Data Zahard was doing).

I know the 13MS aren't really bad weapons but from the comments they were treated as if they were their best weapons or something. Maschennyy probably has better weapons that Yellow May.

 

[EternalWinter]

Let me say now that seeing Hwaryun making a plan to run away as fast as they can when they rescue Jinsung makes me think that Adori will appear at the end of this arc.

Of course there are other possibilities like a FH but who knows

I'm still upset you got my hopes up 2 weeks ago :P

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I really hope SIU feels better. Neck problems are no joke, so he should take as long as he needs.

It's kinda funny that fans were so up in arms over Kallavan that SIU had to say ahead of time, and put it down in the chapter, that he was only around temporarily, but no one seems to care that White is hanging around.

Evankhell is getting some death flags now. If she does die, I wonder if Khun could inhert that Ancient inside her and get the other half of the primordial flame?



I was under the impression that Shinsu boost was a very difficult technique you coud only handle if it was your shinsu quality, like Maschenny, Ran and Miseng.

Kallavan is saying that now, but he has nowhere to go. He may kill Lyb (I doubt it). But even with an overwhelming FUG win here, the RoZA will blame him for their loss. He is attacking non-Lyb members of RoZA too at this point. If merely failing to kill Baam nearly got him the death sentence and got his squad marked for termination what do you think this will do?

His only safety is under the protective arm of FUG. Much like Dowon he too shall bend the knee, if not now eventually.

White is a FUG slayer, of whom half is close friends with Baam

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I hope SIU actually takes a long enough break to get his health back in order. We'll all still be here whenever the next chapter comes.

Doubt, he's said he hates taking Hiatus. I give it a month tops, and he'll likely be drawing during that time anyway too

 

[divica]

Guys, remembering that the pill was said by Eduan as something that forced Shinsoo's internal control, it is much more likely that Maschenny already mastered this without using the pill.

Furthermore, it is quite plausible to think that yes, she is the biggest obstacle in this battle. Zahard princesses have always been said to be true monsters in the tower. Maschenny is a DD of the Koon family and still has one of the 13 months and unlike Yuri she didn’t become a ranker recently, SIU prepared her from the beginning, definitely she is one of the strongest in ToG. "ah, but she didn't hurt Ha Jisung", we are talking about a monster of the genesis who is a family technician specialized in strengthening, it is understandable that normal attacks do not, but that does not imply that she is weaker than him, we we already know enough members of the Koon family to know how cunning and ironic they can be.

Many are underestimating Zahard's army, remember that even in the genesis, with all those powerful rankers, FUG's achievements were so small in the total sense of the empire, that there is barely any data on. The FUG always lost to Zahard, of course, it could be that every time this happened, an irregular (FH) was involved. But still, it is too early to sing victory.

Yasratcha is one of the most sadistic, manipulative and cunning characters we've seen so far, he watched the whole fight on the first wall, he wouldn't appear against so many high-rankers without a definitive plan.

I really hope that he will show something worthy of what has been shown to us so far, especially before people start with their theories as to why he should join Baam.

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BM and GA are rank-b items and when the ignition is activated they become rank-A, they may not be the most powerful weapons in the tower, but they are still powerful weapons, even for high-rankers.

One important thing is that jahad and the other FH could see fate during genesis and manipulate events to achieve victory. It makes sense that they never lost.
In this case Baam nullifies this ability so it is a very open battle.

Then my problem with masheny is that I just don t see her fighting. She needs Baam and his supporters to keep the chaos in the tower. If baams side is utterly defeated then the chaos is over. Most people in fug just want to keep the status quo...

And if she really wants chaos she is probably going to steal something important from the nest to instigate further conflicts. Besides, I Don t know if she will stay around to be punished for this defeat. It looks much worse than the failure in the last station...

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Will Lep help Evankhell at this point. That's the real question. I somehow doubt Maschenny wants to get into a prolonged fight here. Chaos is best served if FUG wins here.

Regarding Kaiser, I think Hwa sent her to rescue the remaining HG members.

I think it would be interesting to have jinsung fighting someone that defeats Kalla if SIU wants to redeem jinsung's image.
So it would be cool if he is rescued before the end of the fight...

 

[Jack Van Burace]

My bet is that Yellow May is a Mirror shield. You heard from me First.

I had a few lower back issues, but always muscular matters, I'm a Lucky bastard in that sense. But It that pain, although temporary and not serious, was really annoying and created difficulties in daily life. I can only imagine what a backbone real issue is, and in my mind It ain't pretty. I can't expect SIU to be back within a month although I wish he would return next Sunday and say "gotcha! False alarm!". Tho I'm in no way an expert on these matters to say How long should It take. Furthermore, he deserves a rest even If health was perfectly fine. The ideal scenario would be having other authors to keep us satisfied and not all this burden on SIU alone, but what else is there with quality AND constancy?

make it highly successful and one of the most watched atm?

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She helped capture Enne (with Rumors saying Zahad had to personally get involved to help capture her)....she's no joke

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The popularity was SIU's work, not the animation crew's work.

At least we got 4 anime chapters till July, and maybe they'll be exciting regardless of the unnecessary changes they did. Let's Hope for the best.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

- EVK is more S&M than ever, lol wow

- Hope Sofia is a disgruntled Tperie, but it wouldn't matter if not. Yes, yes, 'but SIU didn't say she was already' even though we don't have her backstory...

- Games have been missing. Figures the 'cat' can restart them. I guess the hostages will be used to make FUG side comply

- I thought the secret to the Nest could have been a warp gate last chapter. But, I'm starting to think that - after seeing mobile 'bowls' - it is something to do with the LPB FH's favorite animals. Something that creates a bowl for the entire area behind the final wall. Thus all those giant creatures can be released at once. Also, because of EVK's specific involvement it may even be some native ones or native one DD's that have been trapped - because you know that 'Bill' aka LPBFH would just loveeeee to have some of those creatures as pets and they were subjugated all the same. It's the only themed thing that makes sense for me at the point. The other alternative is something that activates a black hole since the crystal has super-dense gravity properties. Both, once released, would be impossible to fight against. However, both could be avoided if the mechanism is destroyed.

- Twins, their attitude, their power so far... lame.

- Mas' smile once leaving the meeting def means she's up to something the other two wouldn't like or appreciate.

Lovely devious smile from Mas. I get the feeling she will do something that secretly helps Bam during the battle now that she’s off on her own. Hopefully my theory that Mas has been the undercover captain of the snake guy all along is starting to bear fruit.

I think the captain is just that, the captain and the one we've seen already. BUT. I wouldn't be surprised if Mas hadn't met him before (where she got her ancient books and info?) and is secretly allied with him.

Wasn’t there a 5th person in the missle?

Someone very tall from the looks of it.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

The tall person is Sophia, apparently. The five people inside the dog needle are: 2x twins, Augusgus, Mule and Sophia. 5 already.