Chapter Tower of God Chapter 485 Spoilers & Discussion

[Fiodor Pavlovich K]

Maschenny stated herself that she really tried with that attack and it still did nothing to Jinsung.

Data Zahard also said that the lightening pill is trash, I doubt a top 100 khun family member would still use something like that.

Maschenny is a DD (from maybe the third strongest family?) and a princess so she is supposed to be quite up there in the rankings. If we assume that's true that she can't hurt Jinsung at all, we need to put him and Kallavan only below to a FH, irregulars and very few regulars (Luslec, Adori). It is certainly possible, but I would enjoy to see more powerful characters able to hold their ground against them.

I'm glad SIU is taking a break and I hope its a long one so he can rest and work the story a little better. As many already pointed here, Kallavan is not making much sense right now IMO. The art is also feeling a bit clunky at times.

 

[lianecel]

Maschenny is a DD (from maybe the third strongest family?) and a princess so she is supposed to be quite up there in the rankings. If we assume that's true that she can't hurt Jinsung at all, we need to put him and Kallavan only below to a FH, irregulars and very few regulars (Luslec, Adori). It is certainly possible, but I would enjoy to see more powerful characters able to hold their ground against them.

I'm glad SIU is taking a break and I hope its a long one so he can rest and work the story a little better. As many already pointed here, Kallavan is not making much sense right now IMO. The art is also feeling a bit clunky at times.

Dont forget that we havent seen another slayer and elder

 

[sazon]

I'm sure tho that they and Mule will share skills with Bam, which Will insta-learn and, using the soul boost, Will fight on yet a whole New level than last fight with Kallavan. Whoever Yasurach pits Bam against Will lose, and I hope it's above Advanced Ranker so that they learn that in the future Bam Will be their Boss.

Much better than Cringe option, right?

Baam is impulsed by the souls now, he is not in the same way as when he faced Kallavan and anyway, Kallavan's defense is too good, it is not possible to know if other rankers, or even high-rankers, could withstand such an attack.

 

[Kadir0]

Yup, his future wife Enne Eurasia Zahad

I really hope her character doesn’t stay in the background only and SIU includes her in the story, perhaps an arc where she’s being rescued. Her and Adori are the characters i am mostly excited to see

Btw, i have noticed that Tower of God has a bunch of characters that hasn’t made any appearance but their unique background stories just are a lot better than the current characters in the story, there’s even a possibility that some of those characters will not appear in the story at all

 

[Demonspeed]

I really hope her character doesn’t stay in the background only and SIU includes her in the story, perhaps an arc where she’s being rescued. Her and Adori are the characters i am mostly excited to see

Btw, i have noticed that Tower of God has a bunch of characters that hasn’t made any appearance but their unique background stories just are a lot better than the current characters in the story, there’s even a possibility that some of those characters will not appear in the story at all

No, that's not it. We have plenty of character bios so people are excited and always sometimes have unrealistic expectations. X can beat Y because Z. SIU didn't even reveal much of the past of the core characters(and they have been pretty good so far, besides Rak's) but for the cast of super powerful supporting characters we have cool backstories and stuff to fantasize about. It's both a good and a bad thing, bad because some fans might think their headcanons are reality and end up disappointed later.

For example we have White,with his nerf and who did very well without even getting hit being mocked by some despite that because he didn't stomp Kallavan. Or the Baam bashing because of the Irregular lore when what he is doing is fantastic. There are people who think Enne or Adori are at the level of the FHs or that being a descendant of two Irregulars make you super OP(when we know Han and Yurin's kids are less talented than Yuri) etc.

I am pretty sure all of these characters will appear but because of fans' years of expectations there will be complaints no matter what. When I read his blog posts and stuff I really believe that he has a good outline regarding most of his characters(from character development, power ups etc) but there is so much to cover. I have been rereading some arcs lately and it renewed my respect for him, but sometimes I fear that he might be too ambitious. With these long arcs, important character moments are often forgotten by the readers.

 

[OneEye]

Dont forget that we havent seen another slayer and elder

Thinking about it, slayers as we've seen them so far, all have an incredible plot armor that keeps favouring them, as in:

- they can freely walk in an out of just any battle field with characters even way stronger than them, without feeling their lives were threatened; ready to jump into the next battle.

- they can be defeated by princesses ( Karaka and WHITE) and somehow survive and get back to their regular businesses.

- If a slayer is confronted with a stronger opponent and risks losing his life, someone stronger will come in to save his ass (Dowon with White, Cha with Yama, White with Karaka against Kallavan).

- none of the overpowered characters who meets a slayer truly feels like killing him (Gustang with WHITE, Urek and Yuri with Karaka).

- If slayers get imprisoned or risk being captured, the enemy will contradict himself and let them go (White and Karaka saved in the last station by Ivan and Yuri who betrayed the army; Yama saved from Yasratcha by a contradictory order, Kallavan forced to contradict himself by Dowon, to allow White and Baam walk away)

 

[Ignorant]

when we know Han and Yurin's kids are less talented than Yuri) etc.

We know this? Where did you get this idea? Are you talking about the twins? They are fighting for yurin seat they have to be at least 20-40 in the ranks to fight for that position

 

[Demonspeed]

We know this? Where did get this idea? Are you talking about the twins? They are fighting for yurin seat they have to be at least 20-40 in the ranks to fight for that position

Yuri has been stated to be the most talented of the Ha Family and the favorite of the clan. If you want to keep talking about this we can do it in another thread. Don't want to derail this one.

 

[lianecel]

Thinking about it, slayers as we've seen them so far, all have an incredible plot armor that keeps favouring them, as in:

- they can freely walk in an out of just any battle field with characters even way stronger than them, without feeling their lives were threatened; ready to jump into the next battle.

- they can be defeated by princesses ( Karaka and WHITE) and somehow survive and get back to their regular businesses.

- If a slayer is confronted with a stronger opponent and risks losing his life, someone stronger will come in to save his ass (Dowon with White, Cha with Yama, White with Karaka against Kallavan).

- none of the overpowered characters who meets a slayer truly feels like killing him (Gustang with WHITE, Urek and Yuri with Karaka).

- If slayers get imprisoned or risk being captured, the enemy will contradict himself and let them go (White and Karaka saved in the last station by Ivan and Yuri who betrayed the army; Yama saved from Yasratcha by a contradictory order, Kallavan forced to contradict himself by Dowon, to allow White and Baam walk away)

There is a reason why they get choosed as a slayer, they got that "naruto plot hole"

 

[O_n_Sly]

Dont forget that we havent seen another slayer and elder

Also do not forget that until now, FUG continuously lost to RoZA. So I do not see all the significance of seeing more elders and slayers, if anything I want to see more RoZA members especially DD's.

 

[sazon]

For example we have White,with his nerf and who did very well without even getting hit being mocked by some despite that because he didn't stomp Kallavan. Or the Baam bashing because of the Irregular lore when what he is doing is fantastic. There are people who think Enne or Adori are at the level of the FHs or that being a descendant of two Irregulars make you super OP(when we know Han and Yurin's kids are less talented than Yuri) etc.

I don't know where you got it from that the Ha twins are less talented than Yuri. Nothing was ever said about it. And if a person from the 10 families is already talented enough, imagine a DD of two heads of families? It is obvious that Enne is at the top of the tower, now, if it is possible to be stronger than an FH without the use of shinwonryuu, there is already another debate and much less coherent.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 4, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 4, 2020 ---

Yuri has been stated to be the most talented of the Ha Family and the favorite of the clan. If you want to keep talking about this we can do it in another thread. Don't want to derail this one.

I would like you to tell us where you got this information.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Irregular are unsurmountable .

Other than that , Yurin son case is weird . They should be OP and way talented than Yuri .

The thing is that it is seems that they are not that of a big shot . They compete in they family .

Compare to Enne Jahad who is ranked 7 , maybe the fact that they can't become princess limit their influence . But they could be as strong as her or a little less stronger .

 

[Jack Van Burace]

Maschenny is a DD (from maybe the third strongest family?) and a princess so she is supposed to be quite up there in the rankings. If we assume that's true that she can't hurt Jinsung at all, we need to put him and Kallavan only below to a FH, irregulars and very few regulars (Luslec, Adori). It is certainly possible, but I would enjoy to see more powerful characters able to hold their ground against them.

I'm glad SIU is taking a break and I hope its a long one so he can rest and work the story a little better. As many already pointed here, Kallavan is not making much sense right now IMO. The art is also feeling a bit clunky at times.

In my head cannon Kallavan and Evk are Very good with Basic skills, and their performance is Paramount on lower floors because of that. As you Go higher there should be more skills to counter both, making them not so OP.

 

[EternalWinter]

Irregular are unsurmountable .

Other than that , Yurin son case is weird . They should be OP and way talented than Yuri .

The thing is that it is seems that they are not that of a big shot . They compete in they family .

Compare to Enne Jahad who is ranked 7 , maybe the fact that they can't become princess limit their influence . But they could be as strong as her or a little less stronger .

If Irregulars are unbeatable how did V and Arlene lead a protracted war against the others 11 with their non irregular allies

 

[lianecel]

If Irregulars are unbeatable how did V and Arlene lead a protracted war against the others 11 with their non irregular allies

Their non irregular allies is DD of native one and luslec, yet they ar lose ,they ar on war doesnt mean anything tho
I mean it would be better to have useless allies at war than dont have anybody in a first place

 

[EternalWinter]

Their non irregular allies is DD of native one and luslec, yet they ar lose ,they ar on war doesnt mean anything tho
I mean it would be better to have useless allies at war than dont have anybody in a first place

There is no indication the war was swift, which is what we would expect from a 11vs 2 war

 

[Ignorant]

Yuri has been stated to be the most talented of the Ha Family and the favorite of the clan. If you want to keep talking about this we can do it in another thread. Don't want to derail this one.

I know you can’t keep this up, yuri may be the most talented youth in the Ha family but they must be at least more than 30 stronger Ha family members than her, END.

 

[Kadir0]

Anyone have any guesses what that trap the sniper girl talked about is going to be? Considering how Hwa Ryun planned their escape before the war and Sophia was saying things must be getting serious soon for a guide to be this cautious.

 

[FoolishWisdom]

Anyone have any guesses what that trap the sniper girl talked about is going to be? Considering how Hwa Ryun planned their escape before the war and Sophia was saying things must be getting serious soon for a guide to be this cautious.

A warp gate to send in more troops would be my first guess. If that is hooked up to allow particularly potent foes -- like Lo PoBia himself or Adori and her troops -- then that would definitely explain the near panic around this, and why the consideration of an immediate escape is both possible and planned.

Next idea is related to the "stored treasure". The stored treasure may include a number of in-stasis warriors (or creatures?) just waiting to be freed, like at the Wall of Peaceful Coexistence. If these were suddenly freed, it would create quite a potential panic. Personally, I think the prior idea is much more fitting. The "stored treasure" is not likely -- in my opinion -- to be accessible in this manner. (But perhaps this is what Maschenny is planning on .... Hmm... )

Final thought would be a kind of directed gravity-well trap -- something that can be used to suck in a bunch of people and keep them in stasis. However, this is much more speculative, and does not seem to fit with Hwa Ryun's planning or EVK's reaction. If they had something like this, then attempting an immediate escape may not be feasible.

So, those are my three guesses -- in order of preference.

Regarding the speculation of a "Death Flag" on Evankhell: I definitely think it fits. The story introduced a planned "immediate escape route". I will bet a shiny new nickel that this escape will in fact be used. (It's a very *shiny* nickel! Anyone want to take up my bet??). Since the escape route will be used, it means that they will need to flee with great haste, and that means implies that Evankhell may be there to slow the threat. She has always wanted to face an "impossible opponent," and it seems that this is what is likely to come from whatever trap has been set.

While I really like Evankhell, this is simply what seems likely to me. The death-flag fits. We've received all of the background information that we needed to tell her story, and it would be fitting that the "cost" of Baam getting his old teacher back would be to sacrifice his current teacher. .... Still .... I don't think that she is guaranteed to die: SIU may still save her regardless. We will see...

 

[OneEye]

Anyone have any guesses what that trap the sniper girl talked about is going to be? Considering how Hwa Ryun planned their escape before the war and Sophia was saying things must be getting serious soon for a guide to be this cautious.

Considering the battlefield is one of the homes of the Lo Po Bia, it's not impossible that trap be a device whose activation summons the family head, just like Gustang in the FoD, such that his mere apparition delivers despair in the entire FuG army.

This theory could make sense considering it takes an irregular to cross the second wall; then crossing the third wall should summon the FH to balance things and trash Fug troops.

Another possibility could be that it's the entire Lo Po Bia family (especially the strongest members) that could be summoned should anyone assault one of their base and dare reach the central part. This too would make sense considering:
- this is not a Zahard army's base but rather a Lo Po Bia 's
- so far it's almost only Zahard's army that has been fighting (except Dokoko); all what the 5th squadron does is not in the Name of their family but rather in response, obedience and loyalty to orders from central command. It will therefore be natural to expect the Lo Po Bia family to have a special gift for those who dare defile one of their homes (we've already been told that this family is like investing 100% efforts to support Zahard's new war against FUG)

What has so far been looking like a simple battle may end up being an all-out war against the entire Lo Po Bia family (Siu is fun of such surprises: in season 2, a simple mission to get a flower ended up in a life threatening battle against Urek Mazino)

If this theory holds then it makes sense it's only a Lo Po Bia member that could unveil it to Evankhell. Thence Evankhell 's goal may be to destroy the device that could summon all family high rankers (that device could even be a person, the last branch head)