One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

Luffy will team up against Kaido with Kidd and Law before being last one to give major blow I think and be more 1 vs 1 later. It's building up to that moment.

I take Apoo became Top 5 Supernovas after past chapters then?

 

[M3J]

There is correlation. Luffy's durability isnt where it needs to be...if Appo can do what he did to him with 1 attack..If Zoro wasn't there he would have been attacked again, which would have made the showing even worst

Luffy's durability is there, I don't see how it could have gotten worse after fighting Katakuri. Apoo's sound attacks are still mysterious, maybe he was able to do a different kind of damage to knock Luffy out temporarily. Plus, it's not like Kaidou's gonna fight like Apoo, his attacks are actually tangible and visible.

 

[XXGenesis]

Luffy's durability is there, I don't see how it could have gotten worse after fighting Katakuri. Apoo's sound attacks are still mysterious, maybe he was able to do a different kind of damage to knock Luffy out temporarily. Plus, it's not like Kaidou's gonna fight like Apoo, his attacks are actually tangible and visible.

Luffy is almost a Glass a Cannon.
Thing is 5/6 Yonkou would have tanked that attack....Luffy being the 6guy who doesn't...

Also Luffy lost to Kaidou with 1 hit.No struggle, bo resistance..1 hit....So yea see why he's like a glass cannon right now

 

[nik87]

Luffy being trashed is certainly enjoyable, at least some consistency considering Zoro being trashed for the faint because of hunger while the tummy wasnt the reason in Luffy's case, however, what has changed?
Nothing, same like nothing changed with Zoro because of the faint. Trolls will run their laps and in the end eat their own words, you reap what you sow...

Those who expected Luffy to solo Kaido have always been funny chaps, in a solo fight Luffy would die against King, Kaido doesnt have to move a muscle himself.
However, Luffy will do just fine against the Emperors, they all will, I am expecting a 10vs2 Emperor scenario. It wont change the fact that Emperors will break every bone in their bodies but they will be fine.

If not, there is Marco with hax healing ability to get them back on feet and at the same time a perfect sacrifice to eat the critical hits instead of others but I expect a high cost, he might die in the end, side characters have to die after all to make it more dramatic. The two Dukes might also die and I see them fighting Emperors as well.

 

[M3J]

Luffy is almost a Glass a Cannon.
Thing is 5/6 Yonkou would have tanked that attack....Luffy being the 6guy who doesn't...

Also Luffy lost to Kaidou with 1 hit.No struggle, bo resistance..1 hit....So yea see why he's like a glass cannon right now

I don't see him as a glass cannon even after losing to Kaidou, who's known as the strongest creature. It says a lot about Kaidou that he was able to take down Luffy in one hit, which no one (as far as I recall apart from possibly Aokiji) was able to do. Luffy did technically tank the attack because he was knocked out for a few seconds, but got back up and is back to fighting.

Plus, it's not like Kaidou or others will have attacks like Apoo. It's a conjecture that other Yonkou can take the attack anyway.

 

[McNuss]

Luffy is almost a Glass a Cannon.
Thing is 5/6 Yonkou would have tanked that attack....Luffy being the 6guy who doesn't...

Also Luffy lost to Kaidou with 1 hit.No struggle, bo resistance..1 hit....So yea see why he's like a glass cannon right now

The thing is, I don't see Luffy ever being "Yonko level" before the final battle at Mary Geoise, which I can guarantee you will involve some months of timeskip or fast forward mode as we are definitely not getting an anticlimactic 30 chapter arc with the Strawhats freeing random minor countries or revisiting any place, explaining exactly the same story to all their allies. Not after the One Piece has already been found.

He will beat Kaido with a lot of allies and some as of yet unknown circumstances, then he will maybe beat Blackbeard in a heavily circumstantial 1v1, but even here I have my doubts as Kuzan is definitely set up for a betrayal.

Queen also lost to Big Mom like that, the powerscaling is intact and fine. If Luffy would actually be even close to the likes of the Yonko now, that would completely blow the powerscaling. Luffy is only 19 years old, even Dragon Ball could only scale Goku up as ridiculously as it did with many timeskips.

 

[Fox666]

Luffy is almost a Glass a Cannon.
Thing is 5/6 Yonkou would have tanked that attack....Luffy being the 6guy who doesn't...

Also Luffy lost to Kaidou with 1 hit.No struggle, bo resistance..1 hit....So yea see why he's like a glass cannon right now

Kaido or Big Mom could tank the attack that defeated Luffy, but could the others?

They don't have invulnerable skin. Shanks lost an arm to a Sea King, Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo, Blackbeard was injured in multiple instances.

 

[HereNThere]

I'd say Blackbeard could tank it. He reacts to pain, but he's been shown to have done serious endurance.

Whitebeard would also be similarly unbothered probably. Especially Primebeard. Even Marineford WB would probably walk it off better than Luffy.

Shanks is still a mystery, but I'd say he's also likely to take it well.

All of those characters are just on another level physically to be bothered by those sorts of attacks. Luffy is strong, but compared to them...

The main thing to take away is that Apoo's attacks are unexpected and not able to reliably defend against head on unless you cover your ears.

 

[thedude]

Luffy wouldn't stand a chance against Kaido regardless.

Lol, when i see things like this I wonder if people are reading the same manga as the rest of the world. When has Luffy not beat the antagonist of the arc? He trained specifically in this arc to be able to take Kaido on.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 8, 2020 ---

I feel you.



There is correlation. Luffy's durability isnt where it needs to be...if Appo can do what he did to him with 1 attack..If Zoro wasn't there he would have been attacked again, which would have made the showing even worst

If Zoro wasn't there, Luffy would get up and kick Apoo's butt, just like he did after Caesar knocked him out and then Luffy fodderized him.

People...this is a manga, why make silly statements about who the main character can and can't beat?

 

[Ramen]

Lol, when i see things like this I wonder if people are reading the same manga as the rest of the world. When has Luffy not beat the antagonist of the arc? He trained specifically in this arc to be able to take Kaido on.

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[thedude]

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You said Luffy wouldn't stand a chance against Kaido...my statement shouldn't be confusing, Luffy will in fact "stand a chance" against Kaido, and will beat him with 95% certainty this arc. That's the manga. It's always been the manga. I give a 5% chance that he fights the entire battle together with help, but Oda hasn't done that yet, and I doubt he starts now.

Luffy always beats the antagonist. It's just weird to think this will change in a manga where he is the main character. It's not like he hasn't lost before. Crocodile skewered him and left him for dead, Luffy only surving by luck 2X. You'd have looked might foolish to say Luffy wouldn't beat him back then. And that's how I think people will look at the end of this arc if they honestly don't think Luffy stands a chance.

He does. Because it's a manga where the author decided that he is the main character and he always beats the primary villain of the arc. I guess that's not "fun" for power level debates, but it's the truth of the manga.

 

[Ramen]

You said Luffy wouldn't stand a chance against Kaido...my statement shouldn't be confusing, Luffy will in fact "stand a chance" against Kaido, and will beat him with 95% certainty this arc. That's the manga. It's always been the manga. I give a 5% chance that he fights the entire battle together with help, but Oda hasn't done that yet, and I doubt he starts now.

Luffy always beats the antagonist. It's just weird to think this will change in a manga where he is the main character. It's not like he hasn't lost before. Crocodile skewered him and left him for dead, Luffy only surving by luck 2X. You'd have looked might foolish to say Luffy wouldn't beat him back then. And that's how I think people will look at the end of this arc if they honestly don't think Luffy stands a chance.

He does. Because it's a manga where the author decided that he is the main character and he always beats the primary villain of the arc. I guess that's not "fun" for power level debates, but it's the truth of the manga.

I think it will be a team battle with Luffy giving the final blow. Going from getting one-shotted by Kaido to soloing him? Crocodile isn't a Yonko.

 

[thedude]

I think it will be a team battle with Luffy giving the final blow. Going from getting one-shotted by Kaido to soloing him? Crocodile isn't a Yonko.

That's what his prison training was for.

Crocodile was far ahead of anything Luffy had fought at the time. He nearly killed him twice, and could have had he wanted. Luffy overcame that and won solo.

 

[Ramen]

That's what his prison training was for.

Maybe it was enough. We'll have to see.

Crocodile was far ahead of anything Luffy had fought at the time. He nearly killed him twice, and could have had he wanted. Luffy overcame that and won solo.

The hype for Kaido is far beyond anything for Crocodile. Strongest creature, being a yonko, etc.

 

[thedude]

Maybe it was enough. We'll have to see.



The hype for Kaido is far beyond anything for Crocodile. Strongest creature, being a yonko, etc.

Strongest creature isn't much hype, no more than being a Yonko. I mean, he just fought BM a whole night and neither was the worse for it. I wouldn't put any Yonko that much over the others. And anyway, he'll go down this arc, so clearly he ain't the strongest by rules of manga lol.

 

[Ramen]

Strongest creature isn't much hype, no more than being a Yonko. I mean, he just fought BM a whole night and neither was the worse for it. I wouldn't put any Yonko that much over the others. And anyway, he'll go down this arc, so clearly he ain't the strongest by rules of manga lol.

Strongest character by terms of end antagonist is probably Akainu or Teach. Maybe Shanks.

Unless the Gorosei and Imu have a plan of their own.

 

[HereNThere]

I'm not going to lie, it will not sit right with me if Luffy solos Kaido. He has dibs on the knock out blow, but if Kaido isn't whittled down by a group effort before hand, I think I'll be calling shenanigans.

 

[Fox666]

Strongest creature isn't much hype, no more than being a Yonko. I mean, he just fought BM a whole night and neither was the worse for it. I wouldn't put any Yonko that much over the others. And anyway, he'll go down this arc, so clearly he ain't the strongest by rules of manga lol.

Hmm, I wonder if Kaido transforming would make a difference in that battle?

 

[thedude]

Strongest character by terms of end antagonist is probably Akainu or Teach. Maybe Shanks.

Unless the Gorosei and Imu have a plan of their own.

I can't see Shanks as that guy for the end. We've seen enough of him bragging about Luffy to others, wouldn't make sense. I do think it's going to involve Imu and the Gorosei in some way, the WG is the "end boss". Akainu is a good surrogate for them, but the WG has so many secrets I can see someone like Imu being stronger.

The true, secret "king of the world" vs the "King of the Pirates"

 

[M3J]

If Zoro wasn't there, Luffy would get up and kick Apoo's butt, just like he did after Caesar knocked him out and then Luffy fodderized him.

Luffy did that chapters after Caesar knocked him out and was probably saved by Law switching out seastone cuffs for normal ones.