Fantasy Lucy vs Elfman

[Seven777]

Lucy surpasses Elfman in speed and has higher intelligence and versatility, and her actual offensive feats are higher. The only thing Elfman has shown to be better than Lucy is good durability, The problem I have with the Ajeel fight is that Elfman is way weaker than him, and yet manages to win, because he has a hard counter to his magic and has Lisanna helping. Not that I actually believe this, but there isn't a reason you couldn't argue Lisaana put in a lot of damage against Ajeel, because there was no time spent on the fight.

She doesn't have any particularly impressive speed feats. She beats him in intelligence, sure, but she doesn't have the offense to turn that to her advantage.
As for Elfman being far weaker than Ajeel, says who? Sure he had his Sand form letting him nullify some attacks, but that doesn't change the fact that he had the offense to put down Ajeel, which puts him squarely above Lucy in this category.
As for Lisanna, the fact that she got oneshot by an attack that Elfman effortlessly no sold shows that Elfman is the more prominent fighter

Lucy simply doesn't have the feats to tangle with Elfman, she was oneshot by Kyria, while Elfman was going toe to toe with Madmole. Lucy might be able to last a little while against Elfman with some clever planning, but she has no real chance at victory, Elfman could sit there and tank everything she has until she runs out of power if he really wanted to and it still probably wouldn't even be a mid diff fight for him.

 

[kian]

Also I never saw that anyone used his feat against Mira at S class quest. He completely destroyed her. And clearly Mira was on par with Erza at that time.


PS. Elf could use Lizard soul to fight Madmole xd two mega tank

huh, you’re taking a gag sneak attack seriously?

get rid of the whole pregnant thing and they’re both were getting one shot

 

[yutu]

She doesn't have any particularly impressive speed feats. She beats him in intelligence, sure, but she doesn't have the offense to turn that to her advantage.
As for Elfman being far weaker than Ajeel, says who? Sure he had his Sand form letting him nullify some attacks, but that doesn't change the fact that he had the offense to put down Ajeel, which puts him squarely above Lucy in this category.
As for Lisanna, the fact that she got oneshot by an attack that Elfman effortlessly no sold shows that Elfman is the more prominent fighter

Lucy simply doesn't have the feats to tangle with Elfman, she was oneshot by Kyria, while Elfman was going toe to toe with Madmole. Lucy might be able to last a little while against Elfman with some clever planning, but she has no real chance at victory, Elfman could sit there and tank everything she has until she runs out of power if he really wanted to and it still probably wouldn't even be a mid diff fight for him.

If elfman gets taken down by kyria in a future chapter, what will that mean? Besides, Lucy had a plan against elfman and mira that might have worked.

 

[Itsnever2k]

She doesn't have any particularly impressive speed feats. She beats him in intelligence, sure, but she doesn't have the offense to turn that to her advantage.
As for Elfman being far weaker than Ajeel, says who? Sure he had his Sand form letting him nullify some attacks, but that doesn't change the fact that he had the offense to put down Ajeel, which puts him squarely above Lucy in this category.
As for Lisanna, the fact that she got oneshot by an attack that Elfman effortlessly no sold shows that Elfman is the more prominent fighter

Lucy simply doesn't have the feats to tangle with Elfman, she was oneshot by Kyria, while Elfman was going toe to toe with Madmole. Lucy might be able to last a little while against Elfman with some clever planning, but she has no real chance at victory, Elfman could sit there and tank everything she has until she runs out of power if he really wanted to and it still probably wouldn't even be a mid diff win for him.

I just completely disagree. I have said that I think Elfman would eventually win, but Madmole is not Kyria, he is the opposite in fact, with super solid defence and no attack feats, where as Kyria has very high attack, so it's a pointless comparison to make. Lucy would last as long as her stamina held out, which is shown to be fairly impressive. If she used all the attacks she has shown up untill the second SD mix on Elfman, I think it would do a considerable amount of damage. Still though, I think the fight would go how you say at the end, which is he would have to tank a lot and wait for Lucy to get tired. Saying Elfman tanked a hit that Lisanna couldn't doesn't mean anything other than he is a tank, which is well established. As for being stronger than Ajeel. if you want to make that argument, be my guest and make an Elfman vs Erza thread as well, and explain how Elfman would beat Erza, given Ajeel would have beaten her in a 1vs1. Elfman doesn't have any actual feats beyond being able to absorb a lot of damage, and for me the off screen stuff isn't enough to go against what we've seen of him on screen, which is that he is a tank who doesn't have any special attack and is someone who struggles against speed, which I think Lucy pretty clearly has the edge over him.

 

[kian]

Lucy could outspeed Elfman but he switches to a tank form and she’s doing nothing. Bacchus 2.0 situation.

 

[Jko]

Elfman was able to tag Madmole who tagged Natsu and he was able to tag Loke who is as fast as Lucy. He also tagged Ajeel who is as fast or faster than Erza. He is not so slow that he can't tag people even if they are faster than him. His reaction speed is all that is needed to tag Lucy.

 

[yutu]

Elfman was able to tag Madmole who tagged Natsu and he was able to tag Loke who is as fast as Lucy. He also tagged Ajeel who is as fast or faster than Erza. He is not so slow that he can't tag people even if they are faster than him. His reaction speed is all that is needed to tag Lucy.

you forgot that lisanna was with elfman during the fight against ajeel.

 

[Tirl]

huh, you’re taking a gag sneak attack seriously?

get rid of the whole pregnant thing and they’re both were getting one shot

What? I talk about S class QUEST, not TEST. When Elf tookover beast and nodiffed Mira (and Lisanna too)

 

[Jko]

you forgot that lisanna was with elfman during the fight against ajeel.

Lisanna only helped get him out of the sand pits. Elfman was doing the heavy lifting aka the damage. Plus Lisanna is not going faster than Ajeel while carrying Elfman lol.

 

[Itsnever2k]

Elfman was able to tag Madmole who tagged Natsu and he was able to tag Loke who is as fast as Lucy. He also tagged Ajeel who is as fast or faster than Erza. He is not so slow that he can't tag people even if they are faster than him. His reaction speed is all that is needed to tag Lucy.

Again, where and when did any of this actually happen. Natsu didn't get tagged by Madmole, he just grabbed on to him while he was stunned from the recoil of his attack, so that means nothing. Against Ajeel, we have 0 knowledge of what happened in that fight, and he was backed up by Lisanna, and you can say Elfman did most of the heavy lifting like it's canon, but it's not, so we can't say he would definitely be able to hit Lucy, who would be backed up with multiple spirits.

 

[kian]

What? I talk about S class QUEST, not TEST. When Elf tookover beast and nodiffed Mira (and Lisanna too)

oh, wasn’t that the more so the beast than elfman?

 

[Tirl]

oh, wasn’t that the more so the beast than elfman?

He wasnt in control of the beast. but it has became his power. When he used it next time, he literally nodiffed elemental around Gray lvl

 

[yutu]

Lisanna only helped get him out of the sand pits. Elfman was doing the heavy lifting aka the damage. Plus Lisanna is not going faster than Ajeel while carrying Elfman lol.

Show me the picture or page where elfman did most of the work against ajeel.

 

[Jko]

Show me the picture or page where elfman did most of the work against ajeel.

Do you think Lisanna who failed to hurt the "strong" version Wall bot is going to somehow hurt Ajeel, a Spriggan who tangoed with Erza? Obviously Elfman did the most work since he is 1. far stronger than Lisanna and 2. had the ability needed to hurt Ajeel (Sand Eater).

 

[yutu]

Do you think Lisanna who failed to hurt the "strong" version Wall bot is going to somehow hurt Ajeel, a Spriggan who tangoed with Erza? Obviously Elfman did the most work since he is 1. far stronger than Lisanna and 2. had the ability needed to hurt Ajeel (Sand Eater).

So now you're telling me that elfman is stronger than erza because she couldn't defeatjeel without the help of jupiter. 2 If you tell me about the robots that use the weaknesses of grey juvia etc. . Then I'll tell you that Elfman didn't beat the speed man against him as well. But when they changed lisanna the defeated. 3 chapter 521, it took two of us to defeat him. So lisanna played a role in the victory overjeel. So without lisanna elfman, we'd lose

 

[Seven777]

If elfman gets taken down by kyria in a future chapter, what will that mean? Besides, Lucy had a plan against elfman and mira that might have worked.

If he gets oneshot, then he is as weak as Lucy. If he doesn't, then he is stronger. If he wins or comes close, he is much stronger.

I just completely disagree. I have said that I think Elfman would eventually win, but Madmole is not Kyria, he is the opposite in fact, with super solid defence and no attack feats, where as Kyria has very high attack, so it's a pointless comparison to make. Lucy would last as long as her stamina held out, which is shown to be fairly impressive. If she used all the attacks she has shown up untill the second SD mix on Elfman, I think it would do a considerable amount of damage. Still though, I think the fight would go how you say at the end, which is he would have to tank a lot and wait for Lucy to get tired. Saying Elfman tanked a hit that Lisanna couldn't doesn't mean anything other than he is a tank, which is well established. As for being stronger than Ajeel. if you want to make that argument, be my guest and make an Elfman vs Erza thread as well, and explain how Elfman would beat Erza, given Ajeel would have beaten her in a 1vs1. Elfman doesn't have any actual feats beyond being able to absorb a lot of damage, and for me the off screen stuff isn't enough to go against what we've seen of him on screen, which is that he is a tank who doesn't have any special attack and is someone who struggles against speed, which I think Lucy pretty clearly has the edge over him.

Madmole and Kyria should be generally on the same tier, that's how they were portrayed anyway. Madmoles steel punch matched one of Base Natsu's, so that's decent enough, certainly above Lucy.
As for Lucy's stamina, not really, her stamina has always been pretty poor. In fact she runs out of magic more than anyone else in the manga.

I don't see what the basis is for your claim that all Lucy's attacks would do a considerable amount of damage to Elfman. He no sold her Star Dress Mix, and her strongest spirit, Loke, couldn't do shit against him. Adding Virgo on top of that doesn't feel like it would change much.

Ajeel was only a match for Erza because he had Marin nerfing her half the fight, and because he was immune to swords. Erza is a match for human Eileen.

 

[yutu]

If he gets oneshot, then he is as weak as Lucy. If he doesn't, then he is stronger. If he wins or comes close, he is much stronger.

Madmole and Kyria should be generally on the same tier, that's how they were portrayed anyway. Madmoles steel punch matched one of Base Natsu's, so that's decent enough, certainly above Lucy.
As for Lucy's stamina, not really, her stamina has always been pretty poor. In fact she runs out of magic more than anyone else in the manga.

I don't see what the basis is for your claim that all Lucy's attacks would do a considerable amount of damage to Elfman. He no sold her Star Dress Mix, and her strongest spirit, Loke, couldn't do shit against him. Adding Virgo on top of that doesn't feel like it would change much.

Ajeel was only a match for Erza because he had Marin nerfing her half the fight, and because he was immune to swords. Erza is a match for human Eileen.

In rereading the chapter wendy also does oneshot by kyria. Its lack of magic is less seen since it opened the second origin I do not count the UM moments because it is the purpose of this magic to use all the magic tank. Leo's the strongest, but Lucy says that taurus is more suited for elfman is that it's possible. For erza vs ajeel marin the nerve not half of the fight because even after lucy is half KO marin she still has trouble with ajeel.

 

[Itsnever2k]

If he gets oneshot, then he is as weak as Lucy. If he doesn't, then he is stronger. If he wins or comes close, he is much stronger.

Madmole and Kyria should be generally on the same tier, that's how they were portrayed anyway. Madmoles steel punch matched one of Base Natsu's, so that's decent enough, certainly above Lucy.
As for Lucy's stamina, not really, her stamina has always been pretty poor. In fact she runs out of magic more than anyone else in the manga.

I don't see what the basis is for your claim that all Lucy's attacks would do a considerable amount of damage to Elfman. He no sold her Star Dress Mix, and her strongest spirit, Loke, couldn't do shit against him. Adding Virgo on top of that doesn't feel like it would change much.

Ajeel was only a match for Erza because he had Marin nerfing her half the fight, and because he was immune to swords. Erza is a match for human Eileen.

If Madmole and Kyria are in the same tier, then it would only make sense for her attack power to be on a much higher level, since she is the blade dragon slayer, and he is the armour dragon slayer.

Lucy used 2 SD mixes, like 6-7 regular SD and summoned at least 6 spirits, that is a pretty decent amount of offence to be able to use against just 1 person, and I think all that would be able to inflict a decent amount of damage, even if it doesn't finish him off.

Marin? The space guy? He had nothing to do with Erza fighting Ajeel as far as I can remember, and her wind and water sword were working. Madmole's steel fist did the exact same to Natsu as him just defending, and didn't seem to do any additional damage to Natsu, so imo that doesn't mean anything, especially considering we never saw Madmole actually hit Elfman, and the only time Elfman hit Madmole, he got what happened to Natsu. Elfman, and Mira to be honest, were hardly any more scratched up at the end of their fight with Madmole and Skullion then they were by Lucy's SD mix.

 

[Seven777]

In rereading the chapter wendy also does oneshot by kyria. Its lack of magic is less seen since it opened the second origin I do not count the UM moments because it is the purpose of this magic to use all the magic tank. Leo's the strongest, but Lucy says that taurus is more suited for elfman is that it's possible. For erza vs ajeel marin the nerve not half of the fight because even after lucy is half KO marin she still has trouble with ajeel.

Sure, Wendy would lose to Elfman too, in fact he'd probably solo her and Lucy together.
Sure, she still has trouble with Ajeel after spending the entire time it took Lucy to have a bath, tanking Ajeel's magic.

If Madmole and Kyria are in the same tier, then it would only make sense for her attack power to be on a much higher level, since she is the blade dragon slayer, and he is the armour dragon slayer.

Lucy used 2 SD mixes, like 6-7 regular SD and summoned at least 6 spirits, that is a pretty decent amount of offence to be able to use against just 1 person, and I think all that would be able to inflict a decent amount of damage, even if it doesn't finish him off.

Marin? The space guy? He had nothing to do with Erza fighting Ajeel as far as I can remember, and her wind and water sword were working. Madmole's steel fist did the exact same to Natsu as him just defending, and didn't seem to do any additional damage to Natsu, so imo that doesn't mean anything, especially considering we never saw Madmole actually hit Elfman, and the only time Elfman hit Madmole, he got what happened to Natsu. Elfman, and Mira to be honest, were hardly any more scratched up at the end of their fight with Madmole and Skullion then they were by Lucy's SD mix.

Sure, and I don't think Madmole oneshots like Kyria did, he still obviously beats them though.

Using 1 SD mix exhausts her, she's not using two on Elfman unless he lets her rest between uses. And tbh he could just allow her to take a rest after using it, it wouldn't matter, since using one barely damaged him, doubling up on that is hardly a threat to him. And that's assuming Elfman just decides to let her hit him without retaliating, which would still guarantee him the victory, but if he wanted to he could beat her much faster just by attacking himself. The dude has the offense to put down Ajeel, putting down the likes of Lucy isn't really a big deal.

Marin disabled Erza magic, thanks to that Ajeel's got to drain Erza with his magic and Ajeel's immunity to swords meant that she couldn't use Benizakura, her strongest weapon by far.
Still matched the force of Natsu's punch, and injuring Natsu's arm is a feat beyond Lucy anyway. In fact Madmole simply tanking attacks causes significantly more damage to people than Lucy is capable of. Though tbh, seeing Madmole hitting Elfman isn't really needed, because we've already seen Lucy hit Elfman, to negligible effect, she can't really do anything.

 

[Axiomus]

Well, either Gray soloed Mirajane and Elfman or Lucy and Cana took out Elfman. Pick one, and then we can make the breakdowns.