Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

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These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[101nemesis]

I've kind of done that with this old list I made and posted years ago that listed successes and failures since 1997.

It's not the best put together, and if I were to completely redo it I'd probably completely re-evaluate how I categorize what is a success or not with sales taken into account. Still I decide to update to current info based on the same metric before posting again.

Spoiler

Yearly Jump Success/Failures

Put this together awhile ago because I was bored and continue updating it every year. Thought I’d share.
I started this list at 1997 since that was the debut of One Piece and began the era of modern Jump.

These aren’t the perfect criteria to judge success by, but it’s the one I’m using.
Huge Success= Became a defining series for Jump.
Notable Success= 3 Or More Years
Quasi Success= Ran for 1-2 Years (with exceptions for short series who received anime)

For 2014+ these are tentative guesses on success.

1997
13 New Series
1 Huge Success (One Piece)
3 Notable Success (Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun, I’’s, Leader Den Takeshi)
1 Quasi Success (Meiryotei Gotoseijuro)
1 Mini-series (Cowa!)
7 Failures (Watashi no Kaeru-sama, Butsu Zone, Wrestling With Momoko, Merry Wind, Joka Joker, Cool: Rental Body Guard, Kirin: The Last Unicorn)
6 Success END (Rokudenashi Blues, Tottemo Luckyman!, Captain Tsubasa: World Youth, Level E, Sexy Commando, Gaiden)

1998
11 New Series
3 Huge Success- (Hunter x Hunter, Rookies, Shaman King)
4 Notable Success (Whistle, Rising Impact)
1 Mini-series (Kajika)
5 Failures (Ei-Row, Shonen Tantei Q, Kappa Revolution, Base Boys, Boku wa Shonen Tantei Dan)
3 Success END (Midori no Makibao, Jinnai Ryūjujutsu Butōden Majima-kun Suttobasu!!, Wild Half)

1999
13 New Series
3 Huge Success- (Naruto, Hikaru no Go, Prince of Tennis)
10 Failures (Shinkaigyo, Yamato Gensoki, Shukyu-den, Daisuo Dice King, Bushizawa Receive, Mahhaheddo, Survibee, Childragon, ZombiePowder, Romancers)
4 Success End (Hareluya II, Jigoku Sensei Nube, Ruroni Kenshin, Meiryotei Gotoseijuro)

2000
13 New Series
1 Huge Success (Jaguar)
2 Notable Success (Stone Ocean, Black Cat)
1 Quasi Success (Bremen)
1 Mini-series (Sandland)
8 Failures (Tsurikkizu Pintaro, Sanjushi, Normandy Secret Club, Kaiser Spike, Rocket de Tsukinukero!, Junjo Pine, Lilim Kiss, Bakabakashino!)
3 Success End (Hoshin Engi, Hanasaka Tenshi Tenten-kun, I”s)


2001
11 New Series
1 Huge Success (Bleach)
2 Notable Success (Bobobo, Mr. Fullswing)
7 Failures (Gun Blaze West!, Jushin Ikaritorajiro, Karasuman, Magician, I’m A Faker, Grand Vacan, Mononoke! Nyantaro, Sowaka)

2002
10 New Series
1 Huge Success (Eyeshield 21)
1 Notable Success (Ichigo 100%)
1 Quasi Success (Pretty Face)
8 Failures (Sakuratetsu Taiwahen, Akkera Kanjincho, Shonen Espa Nejime, Number 10, Sword Breaker, AON, Ultra Red)
2 Success End (Leader Den Takeshi, Rising Impact)

2003
11 New Series
1 Quasi Success (Buso Renkin)
10 Failures (Granada, Tattoo Hearts, Yamikami Kou, Santa!, Kicks Megamix, Gocchan desu!, Kanagawa Isonan Futengumi, Sengoku Rappaden Sasori, Thoroughbred to Yobanai de, Kannade)
4 Success End (Rookies, Whistle!, Hikaru no Go, Pretty Face)

2004
12 New Series
4 Huge Success (Death Note, Gintama, Reborn! D. Gray Man)
1 Notable Success (Muhyo and Roji)
1 Exception (Steel Ball Run moved magazines)
6 Failures (Live, Gedo the Unidentified Mysterious Boy, Muteki Tetsuhime Spin-chan, Shonen Guardian, Chijo Saisoku Seishun Takkyu Puyan, WaqWaq)
3 Success End (Yugioh, Shaman King, Black Cat)

2005
9 New Series
1 Notable Success (Neuro)
3 Quasi Success (Takaya, Mieru Hito, Taizo Moteo Saga)
1 Exception (Beshari Kurashi moved magazines)
4 Failures (Yuto, Kain, Kirihoshi, Odoboro Poruta)
3 Success End (Bobobo, Ichigo 100%, Buso Renkin)

2006
11 New Series
1 Notable Success (To-Love Ru)
4 Quasi Success (Shinetsu BoBoBo, Maison Du Penguin,Mx0, P2 Pingpong)
6 Failures (Tsugihagi Hyoryusakka, Takaya, Nazo no Murasame-kun, Over Time, Zan, Hand’s)
2 Success End (Death Note, Mieru Hito)

2007
11 New Series
1 Notable Success (Sket Dance)
3 Quasi Success (Samurai Usagi, Boku no Watashi no Yusha Gaku, Hatsuoki Limited)
7 Failures (Blue Dragon, Corrector M&Y, Junbor Balutronica, Volleyball Tsukai Godago, Boku no Watashi no Yusha Gaku, Hitomi no Catoblepas, Belmonde Le VisiteuR)
3 Success End (Taizo Moteo Saga, Shinetsu BoBoBo, P2 Pingpong)

2008
13 New Series
1 Huge Success (Bakuman)
3 Notable Success (Nurahiyon no Mago, Toriko, Inumarudashi)
1 Quasi Success (Psyren)
8 Failures (K.O. Sen, Muddy, Shiritsu Poseidon Gakuen Kotobu, Bari Haken, Double Arts, Dogashi Kaden!, Chagecha, Asklepios)
6 Success End (Prince of Tennis, Muhyo to Roji, Mx0, Samurai Usagi, Boku no Watashi no Yusha Gaku, Hatsukoi Limited,

2009
14 New Series
1 Huge Success (Kuroko no Basuke)
2 Notable Success (Beelzebub, Medaka Box)
1 Quasi Success (Hokenshitsu no Shinigami)
10 Failures (Meister, Bokke-san, Hoopmen, Akaboshi, Anedoki, Kagijin, Wasshoi! Waji Mania, Super Dog Rilienthal, Neko Wappa!, Shinseiki Idol Densetsu Kanata Seven Change)
4 Success End (Eyeshield 21, D. Gray Man (moved to Jump SQ), Neuro, To Love Ru)

2010
8 New Series
1 Quasi Success (Enigma)
7 Failures (Lock On!, Kiben Gakuha, Metallica Metalluca, Shonen Shikku, SWOT, Oumagadoki Doubutsuen, Light Wing)
2 Success End (Jaguar, Psyren)


2011
10 New Series
1 Huge Success (Nisekoi)
2 Quasi Successes (Magico, Kurogane)
7 Failures (Dois Sol, Marchen Oji Grimm, Sengoku Armors, Kikai Banashi Hanasaka Ikkyu, ST&RS, Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa, Pakky!)
2 Success End (Hokenshitsu no Shinigami, Enigma)

2012
13 New Series
3 Huge Success (Haikyuu, AssClass, Shokugeki no Soma)
1 Notable Success (Saiki Kusuo no Sainan)
1 Miniseries (Koganeiro)
8 Failures (Pajama na Kanojo, Koisome Momiji, Sensei no Bulge, Takamagahara, Retsu! Date Senpai, Cross Manage, Hungry Joker, Shinmai Fukei Kiruko-san)
5 Success End (Nurahiyon no Mago, Bakuman, Inumarudashii, Magico, Reborn!)

2013
11 New Series
2 Notable Success (World Trigger, Isobe Isobe Monogatari)
2 Quasi Success (Soul Catcher(S) (Transferred to bimonthly magazine Jump NEXT after a little over a year of serialization)
1 Miniseries (Ginga Patrol Jaco)
6 Failures (Koisuru Edison, Mutou Black, Smoky BB, Kurokuroku, Hime-doll, Hachi, Koi no Cupid)
3 Success End (Sket Dance, Medaka Box, Kurogane)

2014 (so far)
16 new series
1 Huge Success (My Hero Academia)
1 Notable Success (Hinomarou Sumo)
2 Mini-Series (Sore Ike! Yuugou-Kun, Moromono no Jijou)
1 Exception (iShoujo moved magazines)
14 Failures (Iron Knight, Tokyo Wonder Boys, Stealth Symphony, Illegal Rare, Mitsukubi Condor, Yoakemono, Sporting Salt, Hi-Fi Cluster, Judos, Takujo no Ageha, E-robot)
4 Success End (Naruto, Kuroko no Basuke, Beelzebub, Soul Catchers)

2015
13 new series
1 Notable Success (Black Clover)
2 Quasi Success (Straighten Up!, Samon-Kun Wa Summoner
9 Failures (Gakyuu Houtei, Cyborg Roggy, Ultra Battle Satellite, Kagamigami, Lady Justice, Devily Man, Best Blue, Buddy Strike, Mononofu)
1 Mini-series (Naruto Gaiden)


2016 (so far)
12 New series
2 Huge success (The Promised Neverland, Cancel no Yaiba)
3 Notable success (Kimetsu no Yaiba, Boruto, Yuragi sou no Yuuna-san)
1 Quasi success (Spring Weapon #1)
6 Failures (Takuan to Batsu, Love Rush, Red Sprite, Amalgam of Distortion, Demon’s Plan, Ore Golazo )
5 Success End (AssClass, Nisekoi, Bleach, Kochikame, Toriko)

2017 (so far)
11 new series
2 (likely) Notable Success (We Never Learn, Dr. Stone)
1 Quasi success (Robot x Lazerbeam)
8 Failures (U19, Demon Prince Poro’s Diaries, Hungry Marie, Cross Account, Shuudan, Full Drive, Golem Hearts, Tomatopoo no Lycopene)
3 Success End (Straighten Up, Samon-kun wa Summoner, Isobe Isobe Monogatari)

2018 (so far)
11 new series
1 (likely) Huge Success (Jujutsu Kaisen)
1 (likely) notable success (Act-Age)
1 quasi success (I'm from Japan (anime announced with series, moved to Jump+)

9 failures: Bozebeats, Noah’s Notes, Ziga, Momiji no Kisestu, Invade You, Tanaka Seiji, Alice to Taiou, I'm from Japan, David-kun

4 Success End: Saiki Kusuo no Sainan, Spring Weapon #1, Robot x Lazerbeam, Gintama, World Trigger (moved to Jump SQ)

2019 (so far)
12 new series

1 (likely) huge success (Chainsaw Man

1 likely quasi success (Mission: Yozakura Family

1 oddity (I'm from Japan came with an anime already in production and was basically government sponsored children's propaganda. Moved to Jump+)

1 undetermined: Mitama: Secureity Busters

Failures: neo:lation, hell warden higuma, the last saiyuuki, yui kamui, futari no taisei,
beast children, Tokyo Shinobi squad

Success end: shokugeki no soma, Hinomaru Sumo, Boruto (moved to v-Jump), Samurai 8

1 miniseries: Dr Stone: Reboot: Byakuya)

2020

3 Likely successes (Undead x Unluck, Mashle, Moriking

9 Undermined: Agravity Boys, Bone Collection, Time Paradox Ghost Writer, Ayakashi Triangle, Magu-Chan: God of Destruction, Hardboiled Cop and Dolphin, me & Roboco

2 Failures (so far): Zipman, Guardian of the Witch

Success End: Yuuragi-sou no Yuuna, Kimetsu no Yaiba, The Promised Neverland

I found a major mistake in your list.
Your 2019 list has S8 under "success end" xD

 

[WyldViolet]

I found a major mistake in your list.
Your 2019 list has S8 under "success end" xD

Oh. I'm not sure why I did that lol.
That was one of those quick additions I made for 2019 and 2020 before posting just now. My bad haha.

 

[Thehoennhippo]

Looking at shoseki numbers and... at least Agravity kind of held? sort of? hard to find any sort of silver lining here, going to have to start preparing my notes for the funeral.

 

[Franz]

So, the break for My Hero is confirmed or not?

 

[Wifi on da bus]

So I checked around, and as far as I can tell, this is the biggest first week for a light novel on oricon to date. Second highest I could find would be Biblia Koshodou no Jiken Techou Vol.4 with 225,948 in 2013.

I don't know the biggest first week for a light novel but haruhi vol. 10 did more in its first week.

Weekly Light Novel Rankings for May 23 – May 29
*1, 341,184 *,341,184 Suzumiya Haruhi Series vol.10 Limited Edition

Source

 

[yadayada]

I don't know the biggest first week for a light novel but haruhi vol. 10 did more in its first week.

Weekly Light Novel Rankings for May 23 – May 29
*1, 341,184 *,341,184 Suzumiya Haruhi Series vol.10 Limited Edition

Source

I see. I must've missed it. Thanks!

 

[Wifi on da bus]

I see. I must've missed it. Thanks!

It's ok. What I do know is the highest novel(not light novel) sales on oricon in 2014(and i doubt it has been overtaken). Eien no zero(kodansha ver.) did 4,383,020(5 years) at the end of 2014 and oricon stated that it was the highest in any category for a volume.

oricon article when eien no zero surpassed 4 million (from 2014)

The article also states that the closest/previous record holder was ONE PIECE 61 with 3.765 million(3 years) in 2014.

 

[101nemesis]

It's ok. What I do know is the highest novel(not light novel) sales on oricon in 2014(and i doubt it has been overtaken). Eien no zero(kodansha ver.) did 4,383,020(5 years) at the end of 2014 and oricon stated that it was the highest in any category for a volume.

oricon article when eien no zero surpassed 4 million (from 2014)

The article also states that the closest/precious record holder was ONE PIECE 61 with 3.765 million(3 years) in 2014.

Well, that's another record that KNY will surely top.

Funny thing about Kimetsu and these records now is that its not a matter of IF Kimetsu can break the records, its simply a matter of WHEN.

 

[Koni]

I see HeroAca is selling really well in the U.S., while Kimetsu still has Japan by it's wallet. I didn't know how big HeroAca was in the book market, though. Damn.

I honestly expect to see Kimetsu's U.S. sales begin to improve from this year (if COVID doesn't fuck things hard enough). I believe it's begun to consistently chart in the NPD Bookscan rankings now. I can see more people go out and read the manga, especially after the movie hits.

 

[lazybones1717]

Mod edit: This is the official translator for MHA.

 

[Newkerzy]

Welp. I guess that settles it.

Damn. Hope Horikoshi’s well and taking care of himself.

 

[Koni]

(This isn't some random person. Rather, this is actually the official translator of HeroAca for Viz Media saying this. Just in case anybody doesn't know and asks how legitimate this is.)

Whelp, that settles it. HeroAca's on an entirely unexpected break this issue. I really hope Horikoshi's doing fine.

 

[James Rye]

Looking at shoseki numbers and... at least Agravity kind of held? sort of? hard to find any sort of silver lining here, going to have to start preparing my notes for the funeral.

It didn't rose though and that's the true problem. Just write in your funeral speech notes stuff about dreams and Chris, hopes and Chris as well as potential and Chris. And do not forget to write about Chris and Chris, that is a very important point to mention.
But yeah, AB is the next goner if there is no miracle waiting on the horizon. Only question is if Mitama will also follow of if the bird escapes the axe yet again.

 

[Stivie]

Do you have a limit on the number of series that can be canceled per year ?

if you have a limit amount they can just leave the cancellation of Mitama and Agravity to 2021.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Tabata is enjoying Jump a lot

 

[tirakai]

Do you have a limit on the number of series that can be canceled per year ?

if you have a limit amount they can just leave the cancellation of Mitama and Agravity to 2021.

It all depends on how many new series start, since they never go above 20 series total in the magazine for more than a few issues.

The most new series we've had in one year in about 3 decades is 14. There's 12 so far, so 2 more new series (and hence two more manga ending) seems reasonable going by past records and considering we still have a lot of time until Jump 2021 starts.

So I think we probably will see Mitama and Agravity Boys end this year but possibly nothing else until WNL in early 2021.

 

[Minsel]

It all depends on how many new series start, since they never go above 20 series total in the magazine for more than a few issues.

The most new series we've had in one year in about 3 decades is 14. There's 12 so far, so 2 more new series (and hence two more manga ending) seems reasonable going by past records and considering we still have a lot of time until Jump 2021 starts.

So I think we probably will see Mitama and Agravity Boys end this year but possibly nothing else until WNL in early 2021.

WNL is probably ending around december

 

[tirakai]

Yes, but remember WSJ's years end in November, so WNL probably ending in December means it'll be ending in the first few issues of 2021 WSJ.

So I'm thinking we'll see Burn the Witch and one or two more series in 2020 Jump (taking the place of Mitama and Agravity Boys), then the next batch might not be until around December when WNL ends.

 

[Franz]

Damn. Hope Horikoshi’s well and taking care of himself.

Damn. Hope Horikoshi’s well and taking care of himself.

Why shouldn't it?

 

[SharkBait]

Tabata is enjoying Jump a lot

where my Haikyuu!! x HeroAca crossover art 2020 at?!