One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[jaymizzo]

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One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[thedude]

Doflamingos strings were also able to survive one of Fujitora's meteors, slicing them up (i repeat...they clicked up a freaking meteor!). They were really strong, Zoro and others couldn't cut or damage them in any way.

 

[King Moe]

Of course they tried to cut the Bird Cage

We saw Zoro attacking it, then refusing to believe it was impossible to stop

I think at this point it's obvious that the Bird Cage is impossible to destroy, since not even an Admiral could do anything about it, and the only way to take it down is knocking out Doflamingo.

Actually Fujitora could have stop it if he wants, but due to WG's restrictions on Warlords at the time, he can't intervene without proper order as well Doflamingo blackmail Government being former Noble himself, so Fujitora did what he could instead using his abilities to destroy it, but your right on Zoro side.

 

[nik87]

So, with Minks and Scabbards taking a piece of Kaido we can definitely cross off the wishful "Luffy will solo Kaido".

 

[Fox666]

Actually Fujitora could have stop it if he wants, but due to WG's restrictions on Warlords at the time, he can't intervene without proper order as well Doflamingo blackmail Government being former Noble himself, so Fujitora did what he could instead using his abilities to destroy it, but your right on Zoro side.

But what would Fujitora do? We saw him pushing it with his sword, a meteorite also didn't worked.

Fujitora maybe could defeat Doflamingo, but the Bird Cage is still invulnerable.

 

[King Moe]

But what would Fujitora do? We saw him pushing it with his sword, a meteorite also didn't worked.

Fujitora maybe could defeat Doflamingo, but the Bird Cage is still invulnerable.

Pretty sure Admirals are above Warlords as shown, so Fujitora at Full power would have beaten Doflamingo and Birdcage as we haven't seen all the power he can show which was apparent that after Birdcage, he is able to lift large quantities of rumble over whole island without much effort. Showing that if he would have put more effort, he would have save everyone himself, but due to WG's restrictions and 'credit' as well, he couldn't do that, so decide to give Strawhats to be ones to save everyone in the end.

 

[M3J]

Can we chalk this up to plot and leave it at that?

 

[Pirate Queen]

I thought it was great, the emphasis Oda put on haki this chapter.

It finally settles the debate of haki application for CoA.

Its not the weapon, fighting stlye, or df of the fighter.... But the application of haki that evens the playing field.

I still believe Law is one of the most integral part of the battle due to the nature of his df.

I wish I could update my Vs. List but there are just so many big players I wouldn't know where to start now.

I would have never thought the 9RS could have hurt Kaido, even with haki.

And like i said before Kaido's invulnerability was greatly exaggerated if all it takes is flow haki to penetrate his scale.

He's lost numerous times and captured even more and NOBODY had the necessary haki to kill him? Highly unlikely. I feel like there is another tier to this story that we are missing. Is it as simple as Kaido's base forming being easier to penetrate? But when he was captured he was surely put in sea stone cuffs to negate his DF... So many unknowns.

 

[HereNThere]

Its not the weapon, fighting stlye, or df of the fighter.... But the application of haki that evens the playing field

I've said this for the longest time. It's the great equalizer.

He's lost numerous times and captured even more and NOBODY had the necessary haki to kill him? Highly unlikely. I feel like there is another tier to this story that we are missing. Is it as simple as Kaido's base forming being easier to penetrate? But when he was captured he was surely put in sea stone cuffs to negate his DF... So many unknowns.

I think it is just that. His base is just unusually strong, so basic means of execution don't work. His intro didn't specify when most of these captures happened, so all of that could've occurred during his early years of piracy. Unnecessary to have top tiers execute someone who is relatively unknown.

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't think it's odd that haki affects Kaido, what was surprising were the Scabbards getting it done. I didn't believe many of them would be strong/skilled enough.

It's worth noting that while their spirits were high, they didn't use any named techniques. They can better the 987 feats.

 

[thedude]

As "weak" as Kin'emon has been, having Ryou doesn't make him unbeatable, it's just a form of haki that anyone can learn (Hancocks sisters had it and they were pushovers for a pre-time skip Luffy for example).

(i know no one is saying he's unbeatable, I'm just saying it's not really a flaw that he can use the haki and damage Kaido that way, especially in a moment of extreme emotions where his will will be at it's absolute peak, giving him a haki "surge" possibly. He can't cut Kaido in a normal situation most likely, but in this one moment, his advanced haki, plus his emotional state, helped him).

 

[nik87]

I see people still didn't realize the superiority of the sword over the fist.

 

[thedude]

I've said this for the longest time. It's the great equalizer.




I think it is just that. His base is just unusually strong, so basic means of execution don't work. His intro didn't specify when most of these captures happened, so all of that could've occurred during his early years of piracy. Unnecessary to have top tiers execute someone who is relatively unknown.

A few could have come from him being depressed/drunk and not putting up much of a fight as well, and then leaving when he got bored with the capture.

 

[Ramen]

Speaking of power rankings, I wish we saw more of Charlotte Smoothie. She seemed like such a badass character. Would've been nice to have a fight with her included.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 11, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 11, 2020 ---

@nik87 You're a swords guy. What's your favourite sword?

 

[Ramen]

Given his performance on Gifters and debunk he would 'Whiskey Peak' them, I wouldn't overhype on that especially Oda won't let Zoro outshine Luffy who wants Kaido for himself and be one to bring him down. Zoro won't get the chance given many tough enemies he is facing and Kaido is more aware on his surroundings now after latest chapter.

Though think Zoro get his spotlight in facing his tough opponents with a team behind him especially for YC lvl opponent.

I mean in a hypothetical. Kaido would destroy Zoro but Zoro has the strength to Pierce him. The final attack used on Killer could cut him.

But again, Either Luffy by himself (unlikely) oruffy with someone like Kidd and Law will end up defeating Kaido.

Zoro will probably face King IMO. Marco doesn't seem like he'll fight him.

 

[King Moe]

I mean in a hypothetical. Kaido would destroy Zoro but Zoro has the strength to Pierce him. The final attack used on Killer could cut him.

But again, Either Luffy by himself (unlikely) oruffy with someone like Kidd and Law will end up defeating Kaido.

Zoro will probably face King IMO. Marco doesn't seem like he'll fight him.

That not good model given that was nerf Killer. not one we see right now and doesn't make him look good tying with someone who was nerf and he fainted afterwards. His final opponent looking to be T6H or YC lvl opponent, but latter need to be team more as can't see him solo any YC lvl opponent as performance doesn't speak he is capable.

Luffy was able to best Doflamingo in long-run in the fight, but do see it more team fighting on Kaido, but Luffy will be major one to deal damage and defeat him.

Nah, Zoro be facing someone who can fly away and go after someone else. Last thing we want is Pica 2.0 with catching him around battlefield which be annoying again. Prefer he gets T6H or YC lvl opponent like Smoothie or Orochi who if his powers is true, it can bring him back stronger than before with regeneration and more power behind that.

 

[Ramen]

That not good model given that was nerf Killer. not one we see right now and doesn't make him look good tying with someone who was nerf and he fainted afterwards. His final opponent looking to be T6H or YC lvl opponent, but latter need to be team more as can't see him solo any YC lvl opponent as performance doesn't speak he is capable.

Luffy was able to best Doflamingo in long-run in the fight, but do see it more team fighting on Kaido, but Luffy will be major one to deal damage and defeat him.

Nah, Zoro be facing someone who can fly away and go after someone else. Last thing we want is Pica 2.0 with catching him around battlefield which be annoying again. Prefer he gets T6H or YC lvl opponent like Smoothie or Orochi who if his powers is true, it can bring him back stronger than before with regeneration and more power behind that.

Zoro has to power up. If he faces someone that can be considered stronger than him at the time, then he can show new power.

Either way, there are 3 calamities, if Kaido is a team fight with Luffy, Kidd, and Law, then whos going to take on the heavy hitters? Marco? Daifuku? Smoothie?

I don't think we will see Zoro vs Smoothie. At this point I think Zoro can beat Katakuri or at least fight equally.

At the very least he"ll fight Queen.

 

[King Moe]

Zoro has to power up. If he faces someone that can be considered stronger than him at the time, then he can show new power.

Either way, there are 3 calamities, if Kaido is a team fight with Luffy, Kidd, and Law, then whos going to take on the havy hitters? Marco?

I don't think we will see Zoro vs Smoothie. At this point I think Zoro can beat Katakuri or at least fight equally.

At the very least he"ll fight Queen.

His power-up doesn't look to be enough if he can't plow through Gifters as some thought when they said he would 'Whiskey Peak' them. Would be best time to show how much he gotten stronger, but instead it's off-screen and he needed Allied Samurai to help advance, not by his own capabilities.

Probably be team fight with them as it looking like Yonkos and YCs will need to be team up onto take them down, so we can expect especially Zoro is not good solo and lol facing Katakuri XD? He is not beating a guy like that who is beyond his power especially solo fight with his COO and all. Smoothie is swordswoman, so give reason why she face Zoro unless Jimbei face her. Best others could be Jack or Orochi (Revived), but seems like they will have their hands full, so yeah Idk if we will get solo fights as much we think. Perhaps with T6H yeah, but YCs and Yonkos are another level to take acre off from how Oda is going for them.

I know Sanji could face King or Queen in the fights while Jimbei facing Jack and Smoothie, but Kidd and Law will probably be in the fights as well, so team fights will occurring probably.

 

[Ramen]

His power-up doesn't look to be enough if he can't plow through Gifters as some thought when they said he would 'Whiskey Peak' them. Would be best time to show how much he gotten stronger, but instead it's off-screen and he needed Allied Samurai to help advance, not by his own capabilities.

Probably be team fight with them as it looking like Yonkos and YCs will need to be team up onto take them down, so we can expect especially Zoro is not good solo and lol facing Katakuri XD? He is not beating a guy like that who is beyond his power especially solo fight with his COO and all. Smoothie is swordswoman, so give reason why she face Zoro unless Jimbei face her. Best others could be Jack or Orochi (Revived), but seems like they will have their hands full, so yeah Idk if we will get solo fights as much we think. Perhaps with T6H yeah, but YCs and Yonkos are another level to take acre off from how Oda is going for them.

I know Sanji could face King or Queen in the fights while Jimbei facing Jack and Smoothie, but Kidd and Law will probably be in the fights as well, so team fights will occurring probably.

If he goes all-out, he can plow through the gifters.

Sanji facing King or Queen but Zoro isn't strong enough? What?

 

[King Moe]

If he goes all-out, he can plow through the gifters.

Sanji facing King or Queen but Zoro isn't strong enough? What?

I said Zoro will face Smoothie or Orochi who can be as dangerous especially if Orochi if his lore is like real life, he come back stronger than before, so he can be threat for Zoro on beating someone who can't be cut given his regeneration powers. Zoro can maybe face Queen, but Idk given writing routes on how he been.