One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

He'll get better at it during the fight, that's where the progress will be made.

Are you saying there is some next stage beyond internal destruction for him or what do you mean with progress?

 

[HereNThere]

I wouldn't have a problem with Zoro beheading Kaido to end the fight, in the right context. I just think it would be trash character development to Zoro for his greatest feat to come from killing a monster who his Captain had defeated.

I don't think it will happen, and I'd rather see Zoro just cut Kaido in a joint effort.

Truthfully I think Blackbeard pulls a marineford and takes Kaido's df... but that can be repetitive.

If he hadn't already decapitated a dragon in Punk Hazard, yeah, it'd be a hype moment for him. But he did that already...

He also doesn't have the build up against Kaido like Luffy, so him getting the last hit in would be completely unearned narratively. He'd basically be kill stealing after Luffy put in the work.

Zoro will probably get a cut in to help create an opportunity for Luffy, but that's all I see.

 

[Brandish μ]

Are you saying there is some next stage beyond internal destruction for him or what do you mean with progress?

I believe Luffy will get better at it as the fight goes on.

 

[Ramen]

Luffy was not effective against Kaido due to the former lacking 'ryou' at the time.

Luffy is going to be a master of this haki by the end of this arc, and advancing this haki might improve his G4 or create G5.

In terms of G5, what are you looking to see with it?

 

[nik87]

I believe Luffy will get better at it as the fight goes on.

I think he wont, there is nothing to improve about it.
This is not a plot element like Future Sight, this is a must to hurt Kaido, it needs to be available at each hit.
He is already as good as it gets with that Haki unless you can define "he will get better at it".

Haki has never been Luffy's strong suit, that's why his talent lies in CoC, the most useless one of all Haki colors.
His combat revolves around his devil fruit, the improvements will come from there.
Either a new gear or Awakening.

 

[Pirate Queen]

haki has never been Luffy strong suit to the point that he mastered both CoO +CoA's highest forms easily

 

[nik87]

haki has never been Luffy strong suit to the point that he mastered both CoO +CoA's highest forms easily

Hakiless fodder Hody Jones sends his regards to Luffy's majestic Hardening.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hakiless fodder Hody Jones sends his regards to Luffy's majestic Hardening.

Pior to advanced levels, Luffy didnt need high level of haki until the opponents got strong enough to the point that he needed it.

Once he needed it.... he developed it.

Thats a prodigy of haki... Luffy was so strong he didn't need up until he did.



Weak try

 

[nik87]

Pior to advanced levels, Luffy didnt need high level of haki until the opponents got strong enough to the point that he needed it.

Once he needed it.... he developed it.

Thats a prodigy of haki... Luffy was so strong he didn't need up until he did.



Weak try

Luffy was so strong that he couldnt scratch Kaido while Punk Hazzard Kinemon could.
When it comes to Haki, Luffy's place is the forever second because Roronoa is forever number one.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy was so strong that he couldnt scratch Kaido while Punk Hazzard Kinemon could.
When it comes to Haki, Luffy's place is the forever second because Roronoa is forever number one.

Your reading comprehension could use work.

Luffy didnt need advanced CoA until he encountered an opponent he needed it against. They he developed it instantly... because he is a natural born haki user. Zoro did the same thing in Alabasta. He was strong enough without haki up until he encountered someone he needed it against(Mr.1).

But you already know that, you just chose to ignore it.

 

[Ramen]

How about we move on? These Zoro discussions don't end up making any progress.

 

[nik87]

Your reading comprehension could use work.
Luffy didnt need advanced CoA until he encountered an opponent he needed it against. They he developed it instantly... because he is a natural born haki user. Zoro did the same thing in Alabasta. He was strong enough without haki up until he encountered someone he needed it against(Mr.1).
But you already know that, you just chose to ignore it.

His CoC talent says enough about how natural born haki user he is lol.
When such Haki is your best talent, it spells outa bad Haki user.
Naturally born angry child character unfit to use CoO.
Early eaten DF to focus on brute force instead of developing his spirit.
But you already knew that or not?

 

[King Moe]

Why the Marines? Zoro sees him as a WSS as well.

Cause Propaganda help spread fame which make sense since their bounties and newspaper like Big News Morgan side help push new titles and beliefs on them despite few of them might not be concrete like 'God Usopp' for example. Would you believe he is that mighty with his title?

 

[roggie]

Don't know why Oda didn't chose Luffy's phrase as I'm gonna be the man who will be the captain of the world strongest swordsman

 

[Ramen]

How strong will Smoker be EOS? Seems like he's trailing so far behind everyone else that it's hard to see him as a top tier.

I hope him and X-Drake end up being full fledged admirals.

 

[Brandish μ]

In terms of G5, what are you looking to see with it?

I have not thought much about this, mainly because I'm not good at predicting things lol.

I think he wont, there is nothing to improve about it.
This is not a plot element like Future Sight, this is a must to hurt Kaido, it needs to be available at each hit.
He is already as good as it gets with that Haki unless you can define "he will get better at it".

Haki has never been Luffy's strong suit, that's why his talent lies in CoC, the most useless one of all Haki colors.
His combat revolves around his devil fruit, the improvements will come from there.
Either a new gear or Awakening.

Well it is stated several times in the manga that haki gets better with experience. Training with Hyogoro against a tree(?) doesn't feel like the end of it. And if Kaido uses CoA of his own Luffy will need to overcome that to deal damage. Not saying that you are proven wrong, just cannot see Luffy beating Kaido without improving in the fight. He couldn't beat Katakuri without improving in the fight.

How about we move on? These Zoro discussions don't end up making any progress.

Yes this is a good idea.

Some topics may need to be put on ice until the manga gives us more information to freshen the topic and this thread.

 

[Nie Li]

How strong will Smoker be EOS? Seems like he's trailing so far behind everyone else that it's hard to see him as a top tier.

I hope him and X-Drake end up being full fledged admirals.

What is EOS? I'm guessing end of series but I ask anyway since I'm not sure.

I hope they do as well. Smoker has been my favorite marine since he first appeared and I was kinda sad he was so drastically surpassed by our heroes during the timeskip before they had at least one fair fight against him in the manga (the three times they encountered and fought him were pre-haki so not fair at all). I hope in the future he gets to have a full fight scene against any competent pirate to prove he's not become just a pushover.

X-Drake on the other hand will probably prove himself in this very arc and being a traitorous Tobi Roppo already means (to me at least) that he's admiral promotion material.

 

[Ramen]

I have not thought much about this, mainly because I'm not good at predicting things lol.

I've seen a couple concept arts but it's weird, with G4 we've seen a speed, tank, and power type. It's hard to think what Oda could introduce to this already.

Maybe a full body haki transformation? I'm not too sure either.

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What is EOS? I'm guessing end of series but I ask anyway since I'm not sure.

I hope they do as well. Smoker has been my favorite marine since he first appeared and I was kinda sad he was so drastically surpassed by our heroes during the timeskip before they had at least one fair fight against him in the manga (the three times they encountered and fought him were pre-haki so not fair at all). I hope in the future he gets to have a full fight scene against any competent pirate to prove he's not become just a pushover.

X-Drake on the other hand will probably prove himself in this very arc and being a traitorous Tobi Roppo already means (to me at least) that he's admiral promotion material.

Yea end of series.

He is one of my favourite characters and I liked his devil fruit. It really is a shame he's become such a weakling.

 

[nik87]

Well it is stated several times in the manga that haki gets better with experience. Training with Hyogoro against a tree(?) doesn't feel like the end of it. And if Kaido uses CoA of his own Luffy will need to overcome that to deal damage. Not saying that you are proven wrong, just cannot see Luffy beating Kaido without improving in the fight. He couldn't beat Katakuri without improving in the fight.

Well, as I mentioned, I have a different view on those.
Manga said that Haki blooms in extreme situations which is actually false and only used to justify Luffy getting future sight.
Just like how "we get stronger by each new island we visit" was only used to justify EL power-ups coming out of nowhere.

We saw Luffy have several extreme situations and it never improved his haki, at all, just when he was supposed to get FS.
Kaido's haki is something that has never been touched upon, I wouldnt be surprised if it is bad or he doesnt have it aside from basics.
He might need to improve but considering that it isnt a solo fight, he doesnt need either.
Also, considering the option that Zoro could be the one to finish Kaido, Luffy's improvement isnt required, he will have a chance to improve vs BB.

I mentioned that he actually didnt improve against Katakuri, FS is just a plot element that makes Oda's work easier.
He never won because of FS but because of favorable circumstances and Snakeman which was too frequent for FS to track...
And due to the fact that Oda made him keep standing up until Katakuri decided to lay down...

 

[Brandish μ]

I mentioned that he actually didnt improve against Katakuri, FS is just a plot element that makes Oda's work easier.

If it's about a plot element - bypassing Kaido's durability using the most advanced CoA we know feels similar to FS/Katakuri?