One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Once Doflamingo activated Birdcage and started slowly but steadily compressing its size, he instantly become a mass murderer. I don't know how many citizens actually died, but he intended to keep the cage up until all the strawhats, Law and the rest were down. If his fight with Luffy had lasted hours, which isn't an unual duration for this kind of high level fights (like Luffy vs Cracker lasting all night) then the cage would have been reduced to a minimun size and everyone in Dressrosa except Doflamingo, Fujitora included if he still had decided not to attack and stop Doflamingo, would have been compressed and cut up by the strings.

We know that Fujitora couldn't contact the exterior when the birdcage started because the birdcage somehow cut "even the phone signals", but I want to think WG would have allowed to stop him at that point if communication had been possible. So if Fujitora didn't attack Doflamingo then would be because he wanted to stick to his last received orders, however, this is the information Fujitora had at the point the Birdcage started:
-Thousands of citizens could have potentially died if Doflamingo wasn't stopped.
- Fujitora himself was in harms way because of the birdcage.
- Sugar's technique had been undone and everyone suddenly remembered King Riku, a king affiliated to the WG, who was now again human and also in harms way.
- Now everyone could also remember that Doflamingo has stolen the kingdom, which is also a very heavy crime.

In my personal opinion, once it was come to that, Fujitora should have attacked Doflamingo. Since all possible communications were down, he could have later just lied and say that Doflamingo was taken down by a pirate like Luffy and that he had nothing to do with stopping him (making the situation the opposite of what happened in Arabasta).

I'm willing to bet the WG would have let Doflamingo kill all those people though, just so the secret doesn't get out that Doflamingo is evil. They didn't want the public to know that level 6 prisoners escaped because they didn't want the citizens to lose faith or the WG to lose face. It'd have been up to Fujitora to stop Doflamingo if Luffy couldn't, and as you said, he should have, and he probably would have to save the citizens. I think he chose not to at the time because of Luffy, so Fujitora doesn't get bitched at for interfering.

Let's also remember that the WG did not hesitate to commit genocide against Ohara just because they were learning how to read Poneglyphs. I don't see why they wouldn't let Doflamingo get rid of the very people that could hurt his and WG's image, especially if there's a way to hush it up (like blaming Luffy).

We will never know, since Shichibukai's are no longer a thing, but I always loved how Smoker handled things in Arabasta. He trusted the strawhats to kick Crocodile's ass and went behind their backs to steal a rainpowder ship from the Baroque to make it rain on the war and stop it. He's the one that actually stopped the war, and then told the admirals to go eat shit when they told him they were making him the hero who stopped Crocodile. Gotta love Smoker as a character.

Didn't Fujitora do similar here? He trusted Luffy to take down Doflamingo and tried to push the strings into stopping. He also let the Straw Hats get away and revealed who really saved Dressrosa. But yeah, Smoker's a badass, and I wish he was portrayed better post=timeskip .

I'm 100% sure Smoker would have attacked Crocodile back then if he could.

I'm wondering about another shichibukai after the initial one they had an issue with, like SMoker with Croc and Fujitora with Doflamingo.

 

[Ramen]

I wanna know if Smoker or Fujitora would try to stop another shichibukai or if they'd still not do anything.

Smoker tried didn't he? When he went to Punk Hazard? He lost to 2 of them in that one arc.

Fujitora would stop another Schichibuki uprising if it were to happen.

 

[Helpers2444]

whatever happened to Alvida is she still alive?

 

[Ramen]

whatever happened to Alvida is she still alive?

She's in Buggy's crew.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Miss me?

#unbanned

Where's Moe? I want his Top 30 list lol


What an interesting discussion going on. A breath of fresh air, for a change.

I think the hints are that Fujitora is on the calm belt, meaning he is going to face Hanock.

Makes perfect sense since he is the only man capable of fighting her without a handicap since he is blind. It further proves how dangerous she is if this turns out to be the case.

And I am a mega fan of hers i tend to overestimate her but I feel she is tied for strongest Shichibukai. YC+1

 

[Ramen]

Miss me?

#unbanned

Where's Moe? I want his Top 30 list lol


What an interesting discussion going on. A breath of fresh air, for a change.

I think the hints are that Fujitora is on the calm belt, meaning he is going to face Hanock.

Makes perfect sense since he is the only man capable of fighting her without a handicap since he is blind. It further proves how dangerous she is if this turns out to be the case.

And I am a mega fan of hers i tend to overestimate her but I feel she is tied for strongest Shichibukai. YC+1

Would Hancock even stand a chance against him? Her biggest thing is her hax but he's blind.

Also........welcome back

 

[Pirate Queen]

Would Hancock even stand a chance against him? Her biggest thing is her hax but he's blind.

Also........welcome back

Oh yeah. Why I place her so high is because there a no valid way to avoid her without hurting yourself, as the Vice Admiral did. She stands no chance against Fujitora who is the only perfect counter to her in the OP verse.

In fact.. Oda may have made Fujitora just so that Hancock is defeated in a believable way.

 

[Ramen]

Oh yeah. Why I place her so high is because there a no valid way to avoid her without hurting yourself, as the Vice Admiral did. She stands no chance against Fujitora who is the only perfect counter to her in the OP verse.

In fact.. Oda may have made Fujitora just so that Hancock is defeated in a believable way.

Bloodlusted Hancock solos fiction.

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In terms of power-rankings, I can see Fujitora becoming to Luffy what Garp was to Roger.

Luffy will obviously be the PK and if were going to follow the pattern from the old era, he needs a rival from the marines and one from the sea. Now it's seems like it will Kidd (Whitebeard) and Law (Shkiki) being his rivals as pirates.

Some would say it will be Coby or possible even Ryokugyu since he's still an enigma but I'm hesitant on that. Aldo helps that Fujitora has great respect for Luffy.

 

[Nie Li]

Miss me?

#unbanned

Where's Moe? I want his Top 30 list lol


What an interesting discussion going on. A breath of fresh air, for a change.

I think the hints are that Fujitora is on the calm belt, meaning he is going to face Hanock.

Makes perfect sense since he is the only man capable of fighting her without a handicap since he is blind. It further proves how dangerous she is if this turns out to be the case.

And I am a mega fan of hers i tend to overestimate her but I feel she is tied for strongest Shichibukai. YC+1

I don't think Hancock's tied at the strongest because you know how strong I think the strongest shichibukai is, but the top three Shichibukai are definitely Mihawk, Hancock and Doflamingo, way above the rest. Hancock and Doflamingo are also the only two so far that have showed CoC, which implies great potential.

Hancock has her hax, her martial arts with the snake and strong haki (especially CoC and CoA), she's very versatile and OP when mixing all together. Remember that her power's supposed to only work on those who feel attraction towards her, but through direct contact she's also been able to petrify and break down innanimate objects like Smoker's jutte, so it's possible that she could petrify even a blind man if she managed to hit him with a kick (not to mention a woman can be attractive through her voice alone, I guess).

I'm honestly not a fan of the Shichibukai being captured here and now, at least not all of them. I dislike Weevil, but if he's captured here, his whole storyline will be pointless. Mihawk for obvious reasons shouldn't get an L here, even if surrounded. I was thinking Buggy should also run away, but to be honest if he does survive by betraying everyone he will lose everything he's built through the manga and he won't be any different than he was on East Blue; he'd only be useful for the plot as a comic relief. Hancock has already been a slave of the Tenryuubito, so I hope she manages to escape, but if she doesn't, could it put her in a "mistress in distress" position? I don't think there'll be a second Impel Down arc, so if any character is to be captured and later rescued, they should be retained somewhere else.

 

[Ramen]

I don't think Hancock's tied at the strongest because you know how strong I think the strongest shichibukai is, but the top three Shichibukai are definitely Mihawk, Hancock and Doflamingo, way above the rest. Hancock and Doflamingo are also the only two so far that have showed CoC, which implies great potential.

Hancock has her hax, her martial arts with the snake and strong haki (especially CoC and CoA), she's very versatile and OP when mixing all together. Remember that her power's supposed to only work on those who feel attraction towards her, but through direct contact she's also been able to petrify and break down innanimate objects like Smoker's jutte, so it's possible that she could petrify even a blind man if she managed to hit him with a kick (not to mention a woman can be attractive through her voice alone, I guess).

I'm honestly not a fan of the Shichibukai being captured here and now, at least not all of them. I dislike Weevil, but if he's captured here, his whole storyline will be pointless. Mihawk for obvious reasons shouldn't get an L here, even if surrounded. I was thinking Buggy should also run away, but to be honest if he does survive by betraying everyone he will lose everything he's built through the manga and he won't be any different than he was on East Blue; he'd only be useful for the plot as a comic relief. Hancock has already been a slave of the Tenryuubito, so I hope she manages to escape, but if she doesn't, could it put her in a "mistress in distress" position? I don't think there'll be a second Impel Down arc, so if any character is to be captured and later rescued, they should be retained somewhere else.

Doflamingo over Weevil?

I'd personally go

1) Mihawk
2) Weevil
3) Doflamingo
4) Hancock.

 

[Nie Li]

Doflamingo over Weevil?

I'd personally go

1) Mihawk
2) Weevil
3) Doflamingo
4) Hancock.

The people we have seen Weevil beat up so far were pirates that participated in the Marineford War but that also lacked any sort of feat to prove they were top tiers, and I'm also unsure Weevil's truly Whitebeard's son, so I'm a bit not fully convinced yet of his strength.

He could be stronger than Doflamingo and Hancock, but I need him to prove it some more. Hopefully we will see their fights now after Wano is over. Or at least, how much damage each of them caused the marines.

 

[Ramen]

The people we have seen Weevil beat up so far were pirates that participated in the Marineford War but that also lacked any sort of feat to prove they were top tiers, and I'm also unsure Weevil's truly Whitebeard's son, so I'm a bit not fully convinced yet of his strength.

He could be stronger than Doflamingo and Hancock, but I need him to prove it some more. Hopefully we will see their fights now after Wano is over. Or at least, how much damage each of them caused the marines.

We do have Kizaru's statement if that's anything to go by.

 

[Nie Li]

We do have Kizaru's statement if that's anything to go by.

What did Kizaru say? I don't remember.

 

[Ramen]

What did Kizaru say? I don't remember.

Weevil's strength is comparable to Whitebeard's in his youth and called him a monster IIRC.

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@Moegara

Spoiler

 

[McNuss]

Isn't it a little weird how witnessing what Doflamingo was doing was still not a good enough reason to stop him? Crocodile was apprehended not only because he got his ass kicked, but because he was also the leader of the BW and he was secretly destroying from inside out a whole kingdom associated with the WG, which is literally the same Doflamingo was doing.

Sure, Shichibukai are like real-life buccaneers, but there must be limits even in the OP world or the Shichibukai would just "legally" murder whole countries and get away with it.

Fujitora is completely misunderstood as a character.

He is not a saint. He is a radical extremist who gauged out his own eyes.

Admirals can stripe Shishibukai off their titles. He just did that with Law in the very same arc. His entire questioning around is a scharade, he has Smoker's report and knows full well that Doflamingo has committed capital treason.

Heck Tashigi, who I think was an Ensign or Lieutenant Junior Grade or something, arrested Crocodile. Marines can do this, it is their job.

Fujitora was playing a gamble in Dressrosa. He was turning a "blind eye" to the things happening around him so that he could publicly prove that the Shishibukai and the entire system behind it are bad. That's why he tells his subordinates to protect the citizens immediately upon his arrival. Because he knew he himself was going to endanger them soon with his inaction.

Yes, Fujitora did have enough reason to stop him, it is just that he didn't want to as it didn't fuel his agenda. Fujitora is an entirely agenda driven character, and in that aspect much more similar to Akainu than to Smoker or Kuzan.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't think Hancock's tied at the strongest

 

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A little bit of off topic, but man, this pic is freakishly awesome...

 

[Ramen]

@King Moe Can we get that top 30 list?

 

[King Moe]

@King Moe Can we get that top 30 list?

Sure thing:

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Shanks
5. Blackbeard
6. Kong
7. Garp
8. Sengoku
9. Tsuru
10. Akainu
11. Aokiji
12. Kizaru
13. Luffy, Kidd, and Law
14. Fujitora and Ryogaruku
15. Mihawk (Debatable Though)
16. Macro and Beckenman (YC1)
17. Jozu and Yasopp (YC2)
18. Vista and Lucky Roo (YC3)
19. Shiryu
20. Iso
21. King and Sanji
21. Queen
22. Burgess and Weevil
23. Katakuri
24. Jack
25. Smoker
26. Smoothie and Jimbei
27. Cracker
28. Doflamingo
29. Boa Hancock
30. Urouge

Here is my top 30 with few ties around .

 

[Ramen]

Sure thing:

1. Kaido
2. Big Mom
3. Shanks
4. Blackbeard
5. Kong
6. Garp
7. Sengoku
8. Tsuru
9. Akainu
10. Aokiji
11. Kizaru
12. Luffy, Kidd, and Law
13. Mihawk
14. Macro
15. Jozu
16. Vista
17. Shiryu
18. Iso
19. King and Sanji
20. Queen
21. Burgess
22. Katakuri
23. Jack
24. Smoker
25. Smoothie and Jimbei
26. Cracker
27. Doflamingo
28. Boa Hancock
29. Urouge
30. Snack and Zoro

Here is my top 30 with few ties around .

@Pirate Queen @Moegara

Smoker above Cracker? Dragon? Sabo? Doflamingo? Fujitora? Weevil? Beckmann? There so many people you missed.

I doubt if Smoker can even beat Cracker's biscuit soldiers.

This is laughable.