One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Ramen]

It's harder for Paramecia to get by while Smoker with his Logia intangibility can slips through easier and be aware of when Cracker will come out at him.

He can't do that though. He's not Casper the ghost.

Both Law and Doffy stomped him with Paramecia's.

 

[King Moe]

I'll dismiss the Zoro thing since it's pointless to discuss with you.

We haven't seen anything. It could King effortlessly stomping Sanji. Or it could be a small clash. You're assuming.

So your saying King will kill him? Again illogical to think Sanji is out like that when he hasn't shown anything new of his full power to say it be over. Got stop with biased there.

 

[Nie Li]

It's harder for Paramecia to get by while Smoker with his Logia intangibility can slips through easier and be aware of when Cracker will come out at him.

What intangibility? Cracker's biscuit soldiers had haki strong enough to contend with G4. lol

Like you always said that when you got nothing to back. Nothing wrong with admitting when your wrong.

Paramecia DF compare to Logia DF though.

Take your own advice. I have many things I could say, don't think I don't, I have just learnt that you're not rational on that topic.

 

[Ramen]

So your saying King will kill him? Again illogical to think Sanji is out like that when he hasn't shown anything new of his full power to say it be over. Got stop with biased there.

Did I say King will kill him? You don't know what's going to happen. How are you going to accuse us of bias without realizing your own?

 

[King Moe]

He can't do that though. He's not Casper the ghost.

Both Law and Doffy stomped him with Paramecia's.

He can if he is aware and Law is very hax, it's hard to not get cut by him while Doflamingo, I can agree, but same time he was protecting his group from getting hurt, so that added along first time facing someone with tricky ability like Doffy's.

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Did I say King will kill him? You don't know what's going to happen. How are you going to accuse us of bias without realizing your own?

Your saying that as you do realize he said he 'wants to split him in half.' Not to just defeat him, but kill him. So saying King win would mean he kill him. You got think before you post if you didn't mean that.

 

[Nie Li]

So your saying King will kill him? Again illogical to think Sanji is out like that when he hasn't shown anything new of his full power to say it be over. Got stop with biased there.

We saw Sanji's "new power" against Page One, so he has not many new things to show. But you're saying "Sanji can't be down because he has much more to show and he has to be on King's level because I say so", but you're okay with saying Zoro "showed everything he has against Gifters so he's clearly much lower than Sanji in the top", despite him simply having not even found his opponent for the arc. See how your logic isn't rational?

 

[Ramen]

He can if he is aware and Law is very hax, it's hard to not get cut by him while Doflamingo, I can agree, but same time he was protecting his group from getting hurt, so that added along first time facing someone with tricky ability like Doffy's.

"If he's aware" lol I guess he chose not to during his fights. But he's casper right? he can avoid the slashes like you say he would against cracker.

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Your saying that as you do realize he said he 'wants to split him in half.' Not to just defeat him, but kill him. So saying King win would mean he kill him. You got think before you post if you didn't mean that.

I said there's many possibilities for the fight. Not all of a sudden King and Sanji are equal.

 

[King Moe]

What intangibility? Cracker's biscuit soldiers had haki strong enough to contend with G4. lol


Take your own advice. I have many things I could say, don't think I don't, I have just learnt that you're not rational on that topic.

Who to say Smoker doesn't have something new to compete though and train himself on his Haki and how make his Smoke get through even by them.

I am rational. Not even being serious as just speaking to you in calm manner, but just saying you shouldn't underestimate someone when they come back stronger later.

 

[Nie Li]

"If he's aware" lol I guess he chose not to during his fights. But he's casper right? he can avoid the slashes like you say he would against cracker.

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I said there's many possibilities for the fight. Not all of a sudden King and Sanji are equal.

That's the thing. Sanji can survive this encounter with King and just end up fighting another guy, or he can have a full fight, or he can just be defeated here and now like it happened when he challenged Enel to allow for Nami and Usopp to escape (pretty much the same he did here for Momonosuke and Shinobu).

Endless possibilities to automatically say he's on King's level or higher just because he didn't die for being in his presence.

 

[Ramen]

That's the thing. Sanji can survive this encounter with King and just end up fighting another guy, or he can have a full fight, or he can just be defeated here and now like it happened when he challenged Enel to allow for Nami and Usopp to escape (pretty much the same he did here for Momonosuke and Shinobu).

Endless possibilities to automatically say he's on King's level or higher just because he didn't die for being in his presence.

I agree. I don't think Sanji is equal to King and I don't think Oda would make it such.

 

[King Moe]

We saw Sanji's "new power" against Page One, so he has not many new things to show. But you're saying "Sanji can't be down because he has much more to show and he has to be on King's level because I say so", but you're okay with saying Zoro "showed everything he has against Gifters so he's clearly much lower than Sanji in the top", despite him simply having not even found his opponent for the arc. See how your logic isn't rational?

Base Kicks is his full power? No DJ? Haki? Named Attacks? Boy didn't know Base-Kicks was all to his name. Please show me he went full power in that fight as that never happen. PO was ragdoll and bested. Sanji defeated him and got 2 weeks to prepare and train for Fire Festival. It make sense why he is YC lvl now from performance. Thinking he isn't is really illogical on your end. Zoro I am waiting to see what he do, but Apoo and Gifters are not giving him favors on how I thought Enma would be use. It making me look at him something else instead thinking he would beat those guys, but didn't. Your in more denial on not wanting to admit your favorite character is poor on performance, but you can't give props when someone else doing better than him though.

 

[Ramen]

Who to say Smoker doesn't have something new to compete though and train himself on his Haki and how make his Smoke get through even by them.

Oda because he hasn't shown us anything of the sort.

 

[Nie Li]

Who to say Smoker doesn't have something new to compete though and train himself on his Haki and how make his Smoke get through even by them.

I am rational. Not even being serious as just speaking to you in calm manner, but just saying you shouldn't underestimate someone when they come back stronger later.

I said you aren't rational when talking about Sanji and Zoro, not about Smoker, but to be fair, not when talking about Smoker either.

We all agree that Smoker can get stronger, but if we're going to say he's stronger we need manga proof of him being stronger. Also, how stronger exactly has he gotten in just a couple months at most? Why must he be stronger than Doflamingo? How do you know how much he did or didn't improve? How do you know he suddenly has a technique to bypass YC haki? You don't. He hasn't even foreshadowed learning that.

 

[Ramen]

Using that logic, why can't he be above Shanks if he can avoid slashes?

 

[King Moe]

"If he's aware" lol I guess he chose not to during his fights. But he's casper right? he can avoid the slashes like you say he would against cracker.

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I said there's many possibilities for the fight. Not all of a sudden King and Sanji are equal.

Smoke can get into many areas even smallest cracks if we going by real-life perspective, so you never know. He could come new tricks to get to his real body and damage him.

I said it be struggle like Katakuri vs Luffy, it won't be easy, but you got expect Sanji going another level than being same lvl prior. This arc is first step for many of the Strawhats to get stronger after all.

 

[Ramen]

Smoke can get into many areas even smallest cracks if we going by real-life perspective, so you never know. He could come new tricks to get to his real body and damage him.

This was not shown, hinted at, foreshadowed or anything of the sort. Headcanon.

 

[Nie Li]

Base Kicks is his full power? No DJ? Haki? Named Attacks? Boy didn't know Base-Kicks was all to his name. Please show me he went full power in that fight as that never happen. PO was ragdoll and bested. Sanji defeated him and got 2 weeks to prepare and train for Fire Festival. It make sense why he is YC lvl now from performance. Thinking he isn't is really illogical on your end. Zoro I am waiting to see what he do, but Apoo and Gifters are not giving him favors on how I thought Enma would be use. It making me look at him something else instead thinking he would beat those guys, but didn't. Your in more denial on not wanting to admit your favorite character is poor on performance, but you can't give props when someone else doing better than him though.

I have given props to Sanji when deserved, I love the character. I'm just not overhyping him and I'm not undermining Zoro.

You're giving feats to Sanji for surviving an attack and possibly defeating his attacker, for something that we won't even see if it's true for two more weeks. Don't do that.

 

[Ramen]

"A few ties around" when half your list is ties.

You yourself admit to Smoker not being a top 30 character.

 

[King Moe]

I said you aren't rational when talking about Sanji and Zoro, not about Smoker, but to be fair, not when talking about Smoker either.

We all agree that Smoker can get stronger, but if we're going to say he's stronger we need manga proof of him being stronger. Also, how stronger exactly has he gotten in just a couple months at most? Why must he be stronger than Doflamingo? How do you know how much he did or didn't improve? How do you know he suddenly has a technique to bypass YC haki? You don't. He hasn't even foreshadowed learning that.

Neither are you. Your not fair, but just stating the truth. I ask for feats and you choose not to post any where I should put Zoro so far ahead when nothing stated he is above people like Katakuri. I got see him beat someone credible before I do something like that.

He got HQ to train with best Marines with Haki like Garp, so he could get stronger in many ways. I am not disagree on PH Smoker lvl, but talking about how he is now in current which on him coming back stronger than before. Knowing Oda, he would do that and it wouldn't be BS to see that since Smoker had long time to train. Not talking about Haki, talking about Cracker's DF on ways his smoke could pass through. Though of course his Haki would grow stronger next time we see him.

 

[Ramen]

Zoro so far ahead when nothing stated he is above people like Katakuri.

Sanji gets washed by Katakuri too lol.