One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

This was not shown, hinted at, foreshadowed or anything of the sort. Headcanon.

Smoke is like real life Smoke. That's your headcannon to think it doesn't have same properties to act like one.

 

[Ramen]

I got see him beat someone credible before I do something like that.

Which credible person has Sanji beaten?

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Smoke is like real life Smoke. That's your headcannon to think it doesn't have same properties to act like one.

He's never shown to use it the way you're making it seem to be. Headcanon.

It's headcanon to not believe a character can do something he's never been shown to do. Got it.

 

[Nie Li]

Neither are you. Your not fair, but just stating the truth. I ask for feats and you choose not to post any where I should put Zoro so far ahead when nothing stated he is above people like Katakuri. I got see him beat someone credible before I do something like that.

He got HQ to train with best Marines with Haki like Garp, so he could get stronger in many ways. I am not disagree on PH Smoker lvl, but talking about how he is now in current which on him coming back stronger than before. Knowing Oda, he would do that and it wouldn't be BS to see that since Smoker had long time to train. Not talking about Haki, talking about Cracker's DF on ways his smoke could pass through. Though of course his Haki would grow stronger next time we see him.

When did I say Zoro is above people like Katakuri? lol I said a couple of pages ago on this very thread that I don't think Zoro could defeat Katakuri (as of now).
What feats are you asking for? You're very biased when interpreting feats, like thinking Sanji would have won that fight against Vergo and denying what Sanji himself tells the reader.

You can assume Smoker has gotten much stronger overtime, but you can't claim how much exactly or what kind of techniques he has learnt. You cannot make facts out of your assumptions. Smoker could have trained haki with Garp "and had many other ways" to get stronger in the HQ during the timeskip, and he didn't improve as much as Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Law, and the rest did. No reason to think he suddenly is stronger than a monster like Doflamingo.

 

[King Moe]

I have given props to Sanji when deserved, I love the character. I'm just not overhyping him and I'm not undermining Zoro.

You're giving feats to Sanji for surviving an attack and possibly defeating his attacker, for something that we won't even see if it's true for two more weeks. Don't do that.

Nah, I haven't' seen you like that at all. Lastest chapter shows your post against it than forward on it. I am not undermining Zoro, I am being real about him. Give me a feat right now he done in beating anyone with Enma as right now 'Enma' isn't really much to what we thought would be when he has it.

Pretty sure Sanji will tank and survive. Thinking he won't is illogical as he will be fighting to get stronger in this arc and King is possibility of being that person. I am not headcannon, it showing to be like that as you see how things leading as crashing with someone to secluded area, push notion more. Of course we have to see, but Oda is letting notion for them to be major opponents to each other is showing.

 

[Nie Li]

Which credible person has Sanji beaten?

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He's never shown to use it the way you're making it seem to be. Headcanon.

It's headcanon to not believe a character can do something he's never been shown to do. Got it.

I already tried to discuss with @King Moe that Sanji did not beat Page One, but that is a failed discussion, and that's the reason he thinks Sanji must certainly be at King's exact level.

 

[Ramen]

I already tried to discuss with @King Moe that Sanji did not beat Page One, but that is a failed discussion, and that's the reason he thinks Sanji must certainly be at King's exact level.

Got it. Will refrain from discussing PL's with him until the next chapter.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, I haven't' seen you like that at all. Lastest chapter shows your post against it than forward on it. I am not undermining Zoro, I am being real about him. Give me a feat right now he done in beating anyone with Enma as right now 'Enma' isn't really much to what we thought would be when he has it.

Pretty sure Sanji will tank and survive. Thinking he won't is illogical as he will be fighting to get stronger in this arc and King is possibility of being that person. I am not headcannon, it showing to be like that as you see how things leading as crashing with someone to secluded area, push notion more. Of course we have to see, but Oda is letting notion for them to be major opponents to each other is showing.

You haven't seen me like that at all because you have only seen me discuss your crazy claims on the character. And me liking the character and giving props to him doesn't mean I have to think he will suddenly defeat King, Kaido, Big Mom, Dragon, Luffy and become Pirate King himself.

 

[King Moe]

When did I say Zoro is above people like Katakuri? lol I said a couple of pages ago on this very thread that I don't think Zoro could defeat Katakuri (as of now).
What feats are you asking for? You're very biased when interpreting feats, like thinking Sanji would have won that fight against Vergo and denying what Sanji himself tells the reader.

You can assume Smoker has gotten much stronger overtime, but you can't claim how much exactly or what kind of techniques he has learnt. You cannot make facts out of your assumptions. Smoker could have trained haki with Garp "and had many other ways" to get stronger in the HQ during the timeskip, and he didn't improve as much as Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Law, and the rest did. No reason to think he suddenly is stronger than a monster like Doflamingo.

Enma Zoro feats? I been asking and you shown nothing, but try to push this into accusal of biased. It's not biased, it's just how things showing if Zoro first instinct when having Enma is to run from Apoo and unable to mow down fodder Gifters and need Allied Samurai to help him. Just saying, Zoro hasn't shown much to why I should push him to deep end. Not biased, it's reality of situation.

We have to wait and see, but just saying if his goal is to chase down Strawhats for a long time, expect him to come back bigger force to fight with them. Agree to Disagree as we not going to be on terms on matter like this. So let's end our talk here if we don't go endless about it.

 

[Ramen]

@Moegara Didn't Apoo ambush Luffy and Zoro anyways?

 

[King Moe]

You haven't seen me like that at all because you have only seen me discuss your crazy claims on the character. And me liking the character and giving props to him doesn't mean I have to think he will suddenly defeat King, Kaido, Big Mom, Dragon, Luffy and become Pirate King himself.

I seen you clearly wanting Zoro to be YC lvl and face King or do something to Kaido in past posts. Idk about that. Again if you have fanboyism to character, go forward with it, but don't try to be fair if you can't admit on Zoro hasn't been good in his performance.

 

[Ramen]

So in the end, Moe himself couldn't put Smoker in the top 30 and anywhere close.

 

[King Moe]

Which credible person has Sanji beaten?

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He's never shown to use it the way you're making it seem to be. Headcanon.

It's headcanon to not believe a character can do something he's never been shown to do. Got it.

Page One for starters. Who has Zoro beaten? No one and don't use Kamazou as both fainted, not win, it's a tie and worse that was nerf state of Killer.

Nah, just your headcannon only and you taking this too seriously over calm debate here.

 

[Ramen]

I seen you clearly wanting Zoro to be YC lvl

Is that bad. He is and even if you don't believe he is. He will be lol.

 

[Ramen]

Page One for starters. Who has Zoro beaten? No one and don't use Kamazou as both fainted, not win, it's a tie and worse that was nerf state of Killer.

He took on Kamazou and Killer. Where was it shown Killer was nerfed?

Nah, just your headcannon only and you taking this too seriously over calm debate here.

I am calm. I find it hilarious you can't counter the Smoker claims then end up saying "headcanon."

 

[Nie Li]

I already tried to discuss with @King Moe that Sanji did not beat Page One, but that is a failed discussion, and that's the reason he thinks Sanji must certainly be at King's exact level.

Also: if you saw my posts on the weekly thread, you'll see I said I'm eager to see how Sanji survives that: either because the RS is surprisingly more resilient than we thought or because he somehow manages to dodge. If he takes the full attack with just his body's resistance, it's almost certain he wouldn't be able to continue fighting afterwards, but I don't want Sanji out of the count, I want to see him get a full fight: I just don't think his opponent will be King, if it ends up being Him, I'll tell you you were right on that, don't worry.

Although I'm still waiting for you to say you were wrong about Smoker being Top 30, since you're saying things like "admit it when you're wrong", admit it.

Enma Zoro feats? I been asking and you shown nothing, but try to push this into accusal of biased. It's not biased, it's just how things showing if Zoro first instinct when having Enma is to run from Apoo and unable to mow down fodder Gifters and need Allied Samurai to help him. Just saying, Zoro hasn't shown much to why I should push him to deep end. Not biased, it's reality of situation.

We have to wait and see, but just saying if his goal is to chase down Strawhats for a long time, expect him to come back bigger force to fight with them. Agree to Disagree as we not going to be on terms on matter like this. So let's end our talk here if we don't go endless about it.

We have discussed the Apoo and Gifters things MANY times over, and I have given you many reasonings those times, do you really want to repeat that? It's biased how you bring him down from those. Luffy was much more hurt than Apoo and Zoro was actually carrying Luffy to safety, together with Kidd and Killer who were also "running away" (they were incredibly surrounded and faced with an opponent whose ability they didn't understand). Seconds after that, Zoro cut through hundreds of Gifters despite having a big open wound from Apoo on his chest and he received no further damage nor was defeated by the Gifters. So how does any of that bring him down? He will still get a full fight against someone after all of this, don't worry.

 

[Ramen]

Nah he is. Though whatever help you get into denial of things.

You didn't. Half your list is ties. So that makes him not top 30.

 

[King Moe]

Is that bad. He is and even if you don't believe he is. He will be lol.

He is, but YC4 at best as Apoo and Gifters hurts too much to say he solo them without help. Probably will face Orochi and Kanjuro, Smoothie, or maybe Queen. Though all he will need a team with to beat them.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah he is. Though whatever help you get into denial of things.

Are you trolling? You made a list yourself and put 30 people above him.

 

[Ramen]

He is, but YC4 at best as Apoo and Gifters hurts too much to say he solo them without help. Probably will face Orochi and Kanjuro, Smoothie, or maybe Queen. Though all he will need a team with to beat them.

You think Zoro is YC4 and needs a team but Sanji is YC1 and can beat King on his own.

 

[King Moe]

You didn't. Half your list is ties. So that makes him not top 30.

Ties happen as not everytime it's a straightforward who stronger than who at times. He is, but again your opinion.