Games Mafia Game 84 - MH Hydra - END GAME

[Copy Panda]

A long time ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: Flashback

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A relatively shorter while ago on Hydra Vote Z

Spoiler: [Before the presentation] Day 2 Belsaph arc got cut short by the Vankaku

One VanPlan in the backyard later

Spoiler: [Slide 1] - Night 2 The JoJo franchise collapses

Spoiler: [Slide 2] Day 3 Blackuchi bites the dust

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To be continued...

 

[Purity of Magi]

A bit of a flashback of this game

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Basically Takuans Lynch being discussed in a nutshell

Spoiler

Confirmed townie basically yet still pointed as suspicious

Spoiler

How to throw a game

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Deadpad talk:

How the game basically ended:

How to use logic and gain trust in Raven style

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What have we learned?

Nothing.



Mafia game basically

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[Farfalla]

Ah ok, we were actually tidy so it was easy to make the final updates. Here are the lists:

Spoiler: Roles

Santa Gifts (Permanent Role Changes):

• Mason
• Mason
• Doctor (Sane if Town)
• Spy (Sane)
• Spirit Medium

Spoiler: Actions

And yes mafia was pink just cause pink = pretty red

 

[James Rye]

With two deaths tonight and none on night 1 but BP dead on day 1 we should consider that our prostitute, if we have one, got lucky and blocked one killer at night 1 whereas the other either picked a hider as target or his kill was undone by a doc.

 

[digitaldude]

With two deaths tonight and none on night 1 but BP dead on day 1 we should consider that our prostitute, if we have one, got lucky and blocked one killer at night 1 whereas the other either picked a hider as target or his kill was undone by a doc.

All we can do is wait for more info.

 

[Gajeel]

Why are James and digitaldude so fired up now? Gained confidence since Gry died?

 

[Raven]

Now you mention it that’s a good point

 

[digitaldude]

Why are James and digitaldude so fired up now? Gained confidence since Gry died?

When we inactive why is james and digital so inactive, when we are active, oh why are you active. Also reveal role. You voted lambred.

 

[James Rye]

Considering Erinyes and Hardy were a Mafia couple we should take a look at Erin's "Suspect" list:

I honestly have issues reading people in this game coz playing as a duo change their way of playing/interacting.
rather than suspicious i would point you people who i think, act unusually or gives me strange vibes:
-James rye/digi, James is usually more committed, an writes tons of theories and analysis , he seems more concerned by his fanfic than the game, he doesnt give me similar vibes as his usual playing. Digi seems more absent.
-Vandred, havent seen him much this game, idk he gives me different vibes, on the other hand lambu is playing as usual, imo.
-Lawl , but thats the case in every game lol
- sca/riki i hate focusing on new players so have nothing against riki. but i can tell you scav was trolling hardy and me way before the game started in fun thread, so from the very start i knew he would keep doing so in the game.
- Shino seems more talkative than usual, but nothing necessary wrong with that, just noticed this.



As for the game setting, i think due to the size of the game we should have around 1/3 scums so likely 5 (maybe one big mafia or a small mafia and 3rd party. something like 3+2 or 3+1 (with potential recruiter) or 4+1 ?), 6 seems too much. Shapeshifter could be an option as it was suggested, but i tend to think if theres a 3rd party, it would be likely lovers or mentor/mentee, imo.

Considering we are 16 players and the rules state that it should be a 3:1 size for townies vs mafia in a regular game (not that this should be considered one given who is the host) the size mentioned here is interesting. Obviously it could be a simple bluff for 4 mafias to make to appear bigger than they are. Or the red mafia is neither 5 nor 4 members strong so they try to get townies on the thought that 1/3 of the players in the game are scum so that later they can be manipulated into lynching the other mafia while staying alive themselves.
Not sure about about the TP suggestion could be that we have a 3 role strong mafia with a mentor as tp who after night 1 has now a mentee and could kill this night.

As for the 5 players mentioned we know we can trust Red (for once his name stands for the Mafia blood on his hands and not in his veins), Riki/sca were strong on hardyes and didn't fell for the lets lynch Lambred scheme. Me and digi obviously were telling the truth which leaves lawl who could be everything like every game and shino who also voted lambred.

Personally I also see Blackuichi as a suspect due the Lambred vote and not role revealing last day, but maybe they will do so this phase so let's wait and see.

Role list from Erinyes.

recap

I. Demon3eye - > Demon says its a new role for one of them #203 Bulletproof Lynched on D1
II. BelsAph -> none of them had the role before #167 Mafia Pirate Prosecuted on D2
III. BenoNacho -> none of them had the role before #148
IV. PomSun- Gry said its passive and suits speedwagon-kun #133 Super Mason Killed on N2
V. ShinKo
VI. Brand-X the Seiko Hydra - Cres-chan said "the bun is in the oven, it may or may not be hint " #187
VII. DigiRye -passive role #152 -claims vengeful townie #468
VIII. HardYes! the Superlist Hydra active # 248 + erin never got the role, hardy got it in the past #605 Mafia Robber Lynched on D2
IX. LambRed - Prosecutor
X SirMalade - none of them had the role before #177/178
XI. Son of Sin the Upstanding Hydra -role active but not one othe top tier roles #104/105 Bodyguard Traitor Killed on N2
XII. ScaRi
XIII. Gruviiidor
XIV. Haven the Hamfist Hydra - their role doesnt suit their avatar #583
XV. Lawlsz - Zasz said its an interesting role (but not that good according to lawl) #185/186
XVI. Blackuchi -Said its a passive role #208

Could really use some more role reveals or hints though.

Hope Dets and Spy got something nice for us today.

When we inactive why is james and digital so inactive, when we are active, oh why are you active. Also reveal role. You voted lambred.

Even better, Gaj changed his vote to Lambred after Taku's vote on Lambred so it seems even more of a try to force a draw with mafia politician to save hardy than it does with Taku's vote.

 

[Gajeel]

I won't reveal now, but I do have something to share with town. I'm just waiting for something else first.

 

[Vandred]

Maybe GryPom brought Son of Sin down with an original JoJo game move That would be (almost) perfectly fitting.

The more obvious explanations for the two kills aside, I doubt Gry didn't figure out they were BP after their hints, and protecting a BP is 199iq. So maybe there isn't a TP out there yet.

Wondering if he left a hint about his N1 target somewhere in the talks about how Docs should target people they want to save instead of those they want to kill.

Why are James and digitaldude so fired up now? Gained confidence since Gry died?

That shade from BelsAph at the end too, I assume.

Anyway, with a Noble and Masons (and disregarding other possible secondary roles), we should have a decent pool of "confirmed" townies alive right now. Specifically, three.

 

[digitaldude]

Maybe GryPom brought Son of Sin down with an original JoJo game move That would be (almost) perfectly fitting.

The more obvious explanations for the two kills aside, I doubt Gry didn't figure out they were BP after their hints, and protecting a BP is 199iq. So maybe there isn't a TP out there yet.

Wondering if he left a hint about his N1 target somewhere in the talks about how Docs should target people they want to save instead of those they want to kill.



That shade from BelsAph at the end too, I assume.

Anyway, with a Noble and Masons (and disregarding other possible secondary roles), we should have a decent pool of "confirmed" townies alive right now. Specifically, three.

What makes you think there is a mason recruiter.

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I mean you guys would be safest option for recruiter and yet you havent been recruited HRMMM

 

[shinobi]

2 killing groups then. I was leaning more towards one big mafia.

What makes you think there is a mason recruiter.

Did you not see grysun was super mason?

 

[Vandred]

If I‘m not around tomorrow, check into the Lambu voters.

What makes you think there is a mason recruiter.

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I mean you guys would be safest option for recruiter and yet you havent been recruited HRMMM

...The Super Mason?

Never said we weren't But yeah we weren't. Which probably means the Recruiter at least realizes that it wouldn't make sense to recruit already-confirmed townies.

 

[digitaldude]

...The Super Mason?

Never said we weren't But yeah we weren't. Which probably means the Recruiter at least realizes that it wouldn't make sense to recruit already-confirmed townies.

2 killing groups then. I was leaning more towards one big mafia.

Did you not see grysun was super mason?

This is a panda game.

 

[Vandred]

This is a panda game.

I like to think of this as a Panfalla game...

We can keep our minds open to that idea alright

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

I like to think of this as a Panfalla game...

We can keep our minds open to that idea alright

Only farfalla

 

[Lambu]

Thank goodness Panda confirmed the Traitor was "red" after all. When I saw the orange chills ran up my spine.

So this means there's 2 mafos remaining + 1 TP out there (most probably Mentor) If there's a Substitute Teacher we could be in real trouble so we need to focus guys.

 

[Vandred]

Went through Gry's posts and I don't see any explicit messages about his target, only the stuff about sanity checks being stupid. Went through Pom's...

Bad targetting, shouldn’t docs protect active claims? Even so you went for lawl that didn’t even hint, half of his posts are saying you are mafia how come? This does not make sense, do not come with this “sanity test” targetting excuse.

And the only active claim on D1 was Son of Sin, I believe?

I also considered them protecting Brand-X because of the NVD and their mention of Masons, but I don't think Gry would allow aiding Masons in any way.

Only farfalla

*gasp*

 

[Gajeel]

I think we might be dealing with a Santa

Something weird happened to us during night one, and we honestly can't see any answer other than Santa. I don't want to say more though. Just putting the possibility on the table, so keep an eye on those inactive couples. They probably don't know how to play that role so they are not willing to take risks. Would be great if someone else could confirm the presence of a Santa though.

@Lambu , can you show me the list of the gifts you had prepared for the Overlord Game?

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Jesus Christ

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 9, 2020 ---

Considering Erinyes and Hardy were a Mafia couple we should take a look at Erin's "Suspect" list:



Considering we are 16 players and the rules state that it should be a 3:1 size for townies vs mafia in a regular game (not that this should be considered one given who is the host) the size mentioned here is interesting. Obviously it could be a simple bluff for 4 mafias to make to appear bigger than they are. Or the red mafia is neither 5 nor 4 members strong so they try to get townies on the thought that 1/3 of the players in the game are scum so that later they can be manipulated into lynching the other mafia while staying alive themselves.
Not sure about about the TP suggestion could be that we have a 3 role strong mafia with a mentor as tp who after night 1 has now a mentee and could kill this night.

As for the 5 players mentioned we know we can trust Red (for once his name stands for the Mafia blood on his hands and not in his veins), Riki/sca were strong on hardyes and didn't fell for the lets lynch Lambred scheme. Me and digi obviously were telling the truth which leaves lawl who could be everything like every game and shino who also voted lambred.

Personally I also see Blackuichi as a suspect due the Lambred vote and not role revealing last day, but maybe they will do so this phase so let's wait and see.

Role list from Erinyes.

recap

I. Demon3eye - > Demon says its a new role for one of them #203 Bulletproof Lynched on D1
II. BelsAph -> none of them had the role before #167 Mafia Pirate Prosecuted on D2
III. BenoNacho -> none of them had the role before #148
IV. PomSun- Gry said its passive and suits speedwagon-kun #133 Super Mason Killed on N2
V. ShinKo
VI. Brand-X the Seiko Hydra - Cres-chan said "the bun is in the oven, it may or may not be hint " #187
VII. DigiRye -passive role #152 -claims vengeful townie #468
VIII. HardYes! the Superlist Hydra active # 248 + erin never got the role, hardy got it in the past #605 Mafia Robber Lynched on D2
IX. LambRed - Prosecutor
X SirMalade - none of them had the role before #177/178
XI. Son of Sin the Upstanding Hydra -role active but not one othe top tier roles #104/105 Bodyguard Traitor Killed on N2
XII. ScaRi
XIII. Gruviiidor
XIV. Haven the Hamfist Hydra - their role doesnt suit their avatar #583
XV. Lawlsz - Zasz said its an interesting role (but not that good according to lawl) #185/186
XVI. Blackuchi -Said its a passive role #208

Could really use some more role reveals or hints though.

Hope Dets and Spy got something nice for us today.



Even better, Gaj changed his vote to Lambred after Taku's vote on Lambred so it seems even more of a try to force a draw with mafia politician to save hardy than it does with Taku's vote.

If we were mafia we would try hard kill lambred though and leave the hardy kill for this phase but we did start the train on hardy together with you iirc

 

[Lambu]

Aside of the Mafia Politician I would expect Mafias to have something like Escort or M.Detective tbh. A Poisoner would be a bit meh in my eyes so that could mean either the Prostitute did well or Gry saved a life.

As of now, my opinion on people:

Possible Scum:

- Blackuchi (90% if they dont reveal and prove something)
- Gruviidor (70%, pretend to be useful while not really being)
- Lawlzs (50% pretty much for the Zasz part in them)
- BenoNacho (40%, fact remains they wanted the extension, save Hardy maybe, they have been rather confident in DPs tho)

Possible TP:

- Haven (70% not a fan of their playstyle in general)
- BrandX (80% the duo that reacts but never acts)
- SirMalade (50% Cannot possibly be mafia but they need to speak pronto or to the fire they go)
- ScaRi ( 60% Same as above, but inactivity is even more brutal)

Shinko has dropped a lot in my list surprisingly. She could still be Mentee tho, pretty much everyone except us could be.
DigiRye cannot be mafia either I believe, they could still be TP but the early claim is too risky for that kind of role. Maybe they are the mentee and so they felt so confident to claim VT after losing it (?) possible.

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If people claimed today some people would drop of the list inmediately too, also being in the scum list doesn't exclude being in the TP list and viceversa for certain cases.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

What about haven @Lambu