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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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His COA been fine as shown. Idk what you mean there never stated he has issues nor unable to harm or block anything. RS is more stealth missions than for issues with his body. We seen him tanking attacks without RS like with Full Zoan Drake and Kanjuro's ship destroying, Ink Arrows without issue, so never been issue on that nor he stated he see RS as a means he can't fight without it.
 
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I hope it's permanent.

Luffy has his df
Zoro has his swords
Jinbei is a Fishman
Nami's climatact
Ussops slingshot
Choppers rumble balls
Brooks music combat/sword
Franky's upgrades
Robin has her df

Sanji is the only sh that didn't have supplementary tool to increase his fighting style.

Oda is correcting something Sanji should have had from the beginning.

RS is epic and its mainly the sanji haters that have an issue on it and try to act like they care about Sanji and him not using his RS out of his hatred for his family.

We all know why they don't like the RS lol
 

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I hope it's permanent.

Luffy has his df
Zoro has his swords
Jinbei is a Fishman
Nami's climatact
Ussops slingshot
Choppers rumble balls
Brooks music combat/sword
Franky's upgrades
Robin has her df

Sanji is the only sh that didn't have supplementary tool to increase his fighting style.

Oda is correcting something Sanji should have had from the beginning.

RS is epic and its mainly the sanji haters that have an issue on it and try to act like they care about Sanji and him not using his RS out of his hatred for his family.

We all know why they don't like the RS lol
I can only see it as Stealth Mission compare to fight thing since Sanji can fight without it as shown already in war as not a source of power as he mention before. Might stick around, but not in usage in a means of power as few think though.
 

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I can only see it as Stealth Mission compare to fight thing since Sanji can fight without it as shown already in war as not a source of power as he mention before. Might stick around, but not in usage in a means of power as few think though.
Why not both?

I want him to use it to fight. It will be exciting to witness.
 

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Why not both?

I want him to use it to fight. It will be exciting to witness.
He can fight with it for sure, but not necessarily in the moment type of situation. Only for stealth mission fights from how he been using it lately. Sanji is still a fighter without and with it after all.
 

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RS is epic and its mainly the sanji haters that have an issue on it and try to act like they care about Sanji and him not using his RS out of his hatred for his family.

We all know why they don't like the RS lol
I have often fought Sanji haters and yet it looks like i am on their side here, lol...

I get that Sanji has always fought like one with a disability, using only his legs so the RS makes him a legit candidate. But he's always overcome his limitations with wit and some new techniques. Maybe an upgrade from Franky would've been nice? Also, doesnt the raid suit kinda undo all the skywalk thing he'd pulled? His sky walk so so damn cool till now..I guess RS was required for him to remain in the top 3, specially with Jinbei mixing the scaling, just would've preferred it wasn't from Germa, after shitting on them on using products based on human experiments... Its like a PETA person suddenly wears leather..
 

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if raid suit is only for stealth, then what's the point for the durability and speed boost?
RS is a power up for sanji's battles.
 

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RS is clearly more disguise and stealth missions than means for his power as it doesn't come from there as from his own body since we see Sanji not needing it during process unless it's to use for stealth missions. It's something he can use for training and skill, but he still fights with his own body and skills with no changes even with RS. We see new stuff that is more due to his body than from RS when developing new attacks.
 

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I can see two ways the RS being used...
  • If it's to become a part of his repertoire permanently, then it'll be like a devil fruit, and increase his overall fighting game.
  • If it's a plot device to unlock other potential/skills, then he'll eventually shed the suit in fights and use his raw talent that has been unlocked.

At the minute, the RS bumps up Sanji's stats without any doubt. So it looks like the former option. We'll see what happens. I prefer the latter option, based solely on his base design which I like much more.
 

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I can only see it as Stealth Mission compare to fight thing since Sanji can fight without it as shown already in war as not a source of power as he mention before. Might stick around, but not in usage in a means of power as few think though.
He only survived King's blow thanks to the suit you can be damned sure he will use it for combat. I don't understand why this is still a debate
 

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It really depends on who sanji fights. And also how much of a joke page one is.... The suit seems to enhance everything sanji does so it's becoming increasingly less likely he could handle someone at the topo robi level or even at the high end headliner level without the suit. Above that and sanji probably can't do without the suit.. It also looks like the suit was the only difference between sanji being foderized and just wrecked against king.
 

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I've made it clear that I'm not a fan of the RS quite a few times.

It just doesn't fit with what's been established before. Sanji never needed tech to supplement his skill set. He's a martial artist. Let him grow physically as he has been doing for the majority of the series. The only real new thing the suit adds is invisibility.

He can already fly using his geppou variant.

Haki exists, so durability shouldn't have been a real issue. It does not even have to be as strong as Luffy's or Zoro's. Even then, he's a mobility based fighter. He can use CoO to dodge, again, as he usually does in major fights.

Additional speed could've easily just been weaved in as it has been every other time. No one would question it as we've never questioned it before. And if you want an excuse? Have a Diable Jambe variant to increase speed.

It's just...a frustrating addition that doesn't make sense. And I say this as someone who likes Kamen Rider. If the series had, you know, built up to Sanji being a spy and using gadgets, I'd find this an easier pill to swallow. But as it stands, he hasn't and this feels out of left field.
 
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He only survived King's blow thanks to the suit you can be damned sure he will use it for combat. I don't understand why this is still a debate
During stealth mission fight, not overall fighting capacity as if he is dependent on it. We saw early he was fighting fine without it and even tank Kanjuro's attack that can destroy ships without RS. How he use it is different than his family who are dependent to use it to fight every chance they get. Though Sanji fights without or with it with no concern of needing it to fight someone. I think you missed the points of how this is being address. Obviously he will use RS, but not apparent he needs to fight with everyone with it.

I mean he is now into his regular clothing in front of many enemies instead of in his RS. That shows he doesn't rely on it for power since power is still his own overall.
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It really depends on who sanji fights. And also how much of a joke page one is.... The suit seems to enhance everything sanji does so it's becoming increasingly less likely he could handle someone at the topo robi level or even at the high end headliner level without the suit. Above that and sanji probably can't do without the suit.. It also looks like the suit was the only difference between sanji being foderized and just wrecked against king.
Sanji is above facing T6H since even without RS, he kick down PO without much issue and never stated he needs power for the RS, just for stealth missions and disguise as we keep seeing how it is being use. He relies more on his abilities and skill than what RS has overall since he knows power comes from him more than relying on RS like his family does. Also what you mean on headliner? He already bested Sheephead who was a headliner with ease and already could damage veterans like Oven and PO without RS to boot. To be honest we never seen his full power thus far, so we can't say we seen everything he can do as honestly we haven't. Even with RS, he hasn't use his full power as doesn't use named attacks, DJ, and Haki seemingly (Though might have with Full Zoan King's attack), so nothing really classify on Sanji can't handle anyone without it.
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I've made it clear that I'm not a fan of the RS quite a few times.

It just doesn't fit with what's been established before. Sanji never needed tech to supplement his skill set. He's a martial artist. Let him grow physically as he has been doing for the majority of the series. The only real new thing the suit adds is invisibility.

He can already fly using his geppou variant.

Haki exists, so durability shouldn't have been a real issue. It does not even have to be as strong as Luffy's or Zoro's. Even then, he's a mobility based fighter. He can use CoO to dodge, again, as he usually does in major fights.

Additional speed could've easily just been weaved in as it has been every other time. No one would question it as we've never questioned it before. And if you want an excuse? Have a Diable Jambe variant to increase speed.

It's just...a frustrating addition that doesn't make sense. And I say this as someone who likes Kamen Rider. If the series had, you know, built up to Sanji being a spy and using gadgets, I'd find this an easier pill to swallow. But as it stands, he hasn't and this feels out of left field.
I agree his Haki is not on Luffy's level (Unless COO which might be), but it's more on Zoro's level strong of his Haki. He clearly isn't vulnerable without RS as shown nor will he stop training just to use RS as he still acknowledge he hates his family and fighting like them, so he still fight his own way and still train his body. Invisibility isn't something like his family with increase in power, so that shows his skills and power will still be his own.

I feel looking how it being use and what Sanji stated, he isn't using it as a case for power, just for disguise and stealth mission. Don't think Oda is pushing he now has to fight with RS only as that not showing to be the case given instances he been fighting without it and his feat without RS. Think he pushing more difference of how he use it unlike how his family does since he still want to be his own person and not like his family are after all.
 

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I think Sanji will use the raid suit more to fight, he doesn't really have as much need to be invisible as Nami can do that, and she's a better thief anyway. The crew's gonna go up against stronger and stronger opponents, and the suit does give Sanji advantages.
 

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I think Sanji will use the raid suit more to fight, he doesn't really have as much need to be invisible as Nami can do that, and she's a better thief anyway. The crew's gonna go up against stronger and stronger opponents, and the suit does give Sanji advantages.
Idk as he seems fine fighting without it as how he been using it lately. Let's not forget overall his techniques and fighting power still his own and invisibility doesn't raise your stats or give you new move. We can say on durability, but power and speed is still more his own and even without RS, he shown he is still capable fighter still.
 

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Idk as he seems fine fighting without it as how he been using it lately. Let's not forget overall his techniques and fighting power still his own and invisibility doesn't raise your stats or give you new move. We can say on durability, but power and speed is still more his own and even without RS, he shown he is still capable fighter still.
RS increases speed. Niji gave a remark on sanji's slow speed while handing him the RS.
 

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Idk as he seems fine fighting without it as how he been using it lately. Let's not forget overall his techniques and fighting power still his own and invisibility doesn't raise your stats or give you new move. We can say on durability, but power and speed is still more his own and even without RS, he shown he is still capable fighter still.
It enhances Sanji's combat abilities and allows him to fight better. This... really isn't up for debate as manga shows us this. He's a capable fighter, but the suit helps him be even better, just as how the gears help Luffy fight better.
 

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RS increases speed. Niji gave a remark on sanji's slow speed while handing him the RS.
Niji couldn't dodge a hit from Sanji when he was attack him form his Base Form. Niji says that out of insecurity, not truth fact especially Sanji was carrying Luffy in his arms. Your not same speed if your carrying someone.
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It enhances Sanji's combat abilities and allows him to fight better. This... really isn't up for debate as manga shows us this. He's a capable fighter, but the suit helps him be even better, just as how the gears help Luffy fight better.
It works on durability for sure, but power and speed especially his techniques and Haki are still his own power, not the suit. Of course RS works in ways for him, but not overall as his stats in different areas are still his own power he will use to evolve himself, not suit give him anything moment we see it's more stealth missions than for power.
 

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RS increases speed, that's for sure. Sanji mentioned the accelerator on the shoes and its benefits.
Sanji also doesn't have strong armor in durability (he got his legs broken by vergo in PH) so RS is definitely a good help for him at fighting
 

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I doubt even Zoro could cut through the RS. Its far too durable
 
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