Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Nie Li]

Never denied RS being involve, so Idk where your pushing on, but nothing to debate on if we acknowledge usage of RS. Think your losing point of what we were all discussion early when the talk got started .

You didn't explicitly deny "RS was involved", but you praised Sanji's haki as the most important factor in him tanking King, and that's where you're wrong.

Sanji himself admitted it's the RS durability that allowed him to tank such an attack and, prior to the impact, he himself admitted having little faith in being able to tank the attack (and he said so without a calm face). Sanji knew his haki wouldn't allow him to survive unscathed, and King was confident he would tear Sanji in two, but, much to Sanji's surprise (and probably for King, who apparently left him for dead) the RS is more durable than they all expected and it managed to tank the attack to the point we don't see any wound on Sanji's stomach (but we do see it on Sanji's head, which he failed to fully protect with haki from the impact against the ground).

So, to sum it up: Just stop. Sanji has haki, we know he does, but he didn't tank King's attack thanks to his CoA proficiency but thanks to his RS. He used haki as well? Probably, since I doubt he wanted to die, but if haki was the most important factor in stopping the attack, he wouldn't be annoyed at the RS durability nor say anything about it, since it would be a non-factor. This shouldn't even be debatable, coming straight from Sanji's mouth. RS saved him.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

If you saying like that I can see why, but just saying even with Zoro's swords, attacks can get through him more compare from what we seen on Sanji who more fine in tanking attacks from what is shown. Though thanks for explaining it out on what you mean there.

Yes attacks can get through and attacks that get through are dangerous. Take him vs Mr 1 or Kaku. You can’t say he’s not a tank. Now Sanji is a tank too he’s taken enels shock and survived. As you see my point is someone like luffy took that and was okayy. Sanji and zoro were incapacitated by it. Pre time skip.

Take this for example is Gin attacked Sanji and he blocked with his shin and Zoro in the same situation blocks with a sword. Who’s do you think will take damage?

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Can we talk about other Sanji Development now?

 

[King Moe]

Yes attacks can get through and attacks that get through are dangerous. Take him vs Mr 1 or Kaku. You can’t say he’s not a tank. Now Sanji is a tank too he’s taken enels shock and survived. As you see my point is someone like luffy took that and was okayy. Sanji and zoro were incapacitated by it. Pre time skip.

Take this for example is Gin attacked Sanji and he blocked with his shin and Zoro in the same situation blocks with a sword. Who’s do you think will take damage?

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Can we talk about other Sanji Development now?

Back then yeah, but now after Kamazou's and Apoo's fights, we can't say he still durable or stamina like he used to. Many of his Wano fights really brought him down to something else than how he used to be in pre-timeskip if we being honest.

True Sanji uses his body to block while Zoro has swords. I get what you mean on how you honestly explain it unlike few others who push more downplay type of talk. RS does help as I stated, but just saying Haki is like with Luffy with them using it to deflect objects with their body more.

Sure thing. What you like to discussion on?

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You didn't explicitly deny "RS was involved", but you praised Sanji's haki as the most important factor in him tanking King, and that's where you're wrong.

Sanji himself admitted it's the RS durability that allowed him to tank such an attack and, prior to the impact, he himself admitted having little faith in being able to tank the attack (and he said so without a calm face). Sanji knew his haki wouldn't allow him to survive unscathed, and King was confident he would tear Sanji in two, but, much to Sanji's surprise (and probably for King, who apparently left him for dead) the RS is more durable than they all expected and it managed to tank the attack to the point we don't see any wound on Sanji's stomach (but we do see it on Sanji's head, which he failed to fully protect with haki from the impact against the ground).

So, to sum it up: Just stop. Sanji has haki, we know he does, but he didn't tank King's attack thanks to his CoA proficiency but thanks to his RS. He used haki as well? Probably, since I doubt he wanted to die, but if haki was the most important factor in stopping the attack, he wouldn't be annoyed at the RS durability nor say anything about it, since it would be a non-factor. This shouldn't even be debatable, coming straight from Sanji's mouth. RS saved him.

I said mixture of both and never stated RS didn't do anything, you been stating that with another person when I am just saying Sanji in logic would use Haki to add to the factor of how he can tank it given he did early in Kanjuro's attack, so why wouldn't he with King? I am just stating about it and you don't really address you were saved by your Haki when your fighting as audience can guess from the fighting without addressing it. RS play a factor too, but just saying not only one (Please stop injury stuff on his head when he was shown fine in next chapter. That been debunk and your trying to push agenda on it. Just let it go please.).

Talk for this is over as already state about RS was involve, just saying to add Haki on it too. Let's not continue this as seems to be misunderstanding than really a debate on something.

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when did i say sanji was seriously hurt? I am just saying sanji was wounded there.
Lmao kanjuro is fodder, he got low diffed by kiku. Doesn't mean anything. Sanji was overwhelmed against vergo easily. I am still correct.

Sanji already went all out. Diable jambe is his best moves. He doesn't have any other move like G4.

Your one stating that he got hurt, but afterwards we see no apparent injures on his being. He was fine after the fight. Also lol the Scabbard who can use Haki like the others and being as strong and can destroy ships is fodder xD? You do realize he was team-up on with everyone going after him and where Vergo came back to this? Please stop insecurities and admit fault on your own post.

Nah, no proof in any of that. Just your illogical forcing view. He does since we haven't seen many of his old and new techniques in a fight nor was it stated he was going all out in those fights. Given how arc going, it going to be like Enies Lobby with everyone including Sanji will be showing new moves in the fights.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Your one stating that he got hurt, but afterwards we see no apparent injures on his being. He was fine after the fight. Also lol the Scabbard who can use Haki like the others and being as strong and can destroy ships is fodder xD? You do realize he was team-up on with everyone going after him and where Vergo came back to this? Please stop insecurities and admit fault on your own post.

Nah, no proof in any of that. Just your illogical forcing view. He does since we haven't seen many of his old and new techniques in a fight nor was it stated he was going all out in those fights. Given how arc going, it going to be like Enies Lobby with everyone including Sanji will be showing new moves in the fights.

he got hurt, indeed. I showed you the visible wound in last panel. Not critical injury, but still a wound.
Lmao ships have been destroyed since arlong crews appeared.

Why is vergo fight somehow meant my "insecurity"? If anything, it seems to be your insecurity, since this is a sanji topic, so it includes all his fights. Vergo example is to show sanji's durability performance, which wasn't good. The fight ended with sanji having broken legs.
No, sanji already gave his best if he used diable jambe. Just like luffy went all out against kaido at kuri.
New moves are just your headcanon. Unless it really happens, then diable jambe is sanji's best moves.

 

[King Moe]

he got hurt, indeed. I showed you the visible wound in last panel. Not critical injury, but still a wound.
Lmao ships have been destroyed since arlong crews appeared.

Why is vergo fight somehow meant my "insecurity"? If anything, it seems to be your insecurity, since this is a sanji topic, so it includes all his fights. Vergo example is to show sanji's durability performance, which wasn't good. The fight ended with sanji having broken legs.
No, sanji already gave his best if he used diable jambe. Just like luffy went all out against kaido at kuri.
New moves are just your headcanon. Unless it really happens, then diable jambe is sanji's best moves.

Link never show and talking about chapters later show him being ok and no injuries on his body. Again he tank it fine and your pushing it to be something it isn't.

Destroying ships is quite a feat of destruction and Sanji tanking it like no issue is very good feat on durability on him.

We talking about something in future, not in your debunk past though. Idk why your using past action of Nerf Sanji owning Vergo to leave compare to he is now. Vergo is not on level of guys who Sanji been facing as of late, so bring talk back to current events instead of past ones.

Nah, it's like Luffy with his Gears. He is flexing when using DJ as much as Luffy, doesn't mean both are using full power in it. You being illogical unless your actually believing Luffy who is using G4 more is full powering it when it's clear he is flexing with it. You got learn difference of flexing and full power especially characters never state they did.

 

[Nie Li]

I said mixture of both and never stated RS didn't do anything, you been stating that with another person when I am just saying Sanji in logic would use Haki to add to the factor of how he can tank it given he did early in Kanjuro's attack, so why wouldn't he with King?

You did imply it, I can quote you. So, tell us, how's it relevant that Sanji used haki? What do you want to prove from that? We all know haki was involved, don't twist things. He used haki, but haki because he's not an idiot, but haki is not what saved him.

I am just stating about it and you don't really address you were saved by your Haki when your fighting as audience can guess from the fighting without addressing it.

Then why would he address that the RS saved him if the audience can guess from the fighting without addressing it? See how your point doesn't make sense? He could have addressed how his haki was enough to stop a YC-1 "sure-kill attack", but he instead chose to address how the RS was durable enough to stop it. Yet for some reason, Sanji addressing it by himself is not enough for you to acknowledge it.

RS play a factor too, but just saying not only one (Please stop injury stuff on his head when he was shown fine in next chapter. That been debunk and your trying to push agenda on it. Just let it go please.).

So you insist on saying that the injuries on Sanji's head just magically vanished rather than Oda forgetting them on some random small panel. Okay. Moving on. RS doesn't just "play a factor too", it was the main factor, which is what you're failing to acknowledge.

Talk for this is over as already state about RS was involve, just saying to add Haki on it too. Let's not continue this as seems to be misunderstanding than really a debate on something.

It is not a misunderstanding, you're cherry picking too much and trying to go against Sanji's words to overhype his haki and diminiss the RS. Why? Be it haki or RS, both are part of Sanji's strength now, it shouldn't bother you that much where his durability to survive King came from.

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Saying "Sanji tanked the attack with his haki, because he's a super-tank with a strong CoA. of course he wore the RS and that may have done something but he tanked because he also tanked Kanjuro and he owned Vergo and he's just that durable" isn't really acknowledging that Sanji himself has admitted that the RS saved him. If Sanji's haki had successfully blocked the impact, Sanji wouldn't even have noticed how durable the RS is or isn't. King's attack must have pierced through Sanji's haki to be stopped by the RS.

May Sanji's haki have somewhat weakened the impact? Sure, but it's not the decisive factor that saved him, but a secondary factor that may have contributed to it. RS was the star of the clash, don't take away from that shielding your arguments behind "It's a mixture".

 

[King Moe]

You did imply it, I can quote you. So, tell us, how's it relevant that Sanji used haki? What do you want to prove from that? We all know haki was involved, don't twist things. He used haki, but haki because he's not an idiot, but haki is not what saved him.


Then why would he address that the RS saved him if the audience can guess from the fighting without addressing it? See how your point doesn't make sense? He could have addressed how his haki was enough to stop a YC-1 "sure-kill attack", but he instead chose to address how the RS was durable enough to stop it. Yet for some reason, Sanji addressing it by himself is not enough for you to acknowledge it.


So you insist on saying that the injuries on Sanji's head just magically vanished rather than Oda forgetting them on some random small panel. Okay. Moving on. RS doesn't just "play a factor too", it was the main factor, which is what you're failing to acknowledge.


It is not a misunderstanding, you're cherry picking too much and trying to go against Sanji's words to overhype his haki and diminiss the RS. Why? Be it haki or RS, both are part of Sanji's strength now, it shouldn't bother you that much where his durability to survive King came from.

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Saying "Sanji tanked the attack with his haki, because he's a super-tank with a strong CoA. of course he wore the RS and that may have done something but he tanked because he also tanked Kanjuro and he owned Vergo and he's just that durable" isn't really acknowledging that Sanji himself has admitted that the RS saved him. If Sanji's haki had successfully blocked the impact, Sanji wouldn't even have noticed how durable the RS is or isn't. King's attack must have pierced through Sanji's haki to be stopped by the RS.

May Sanji's haki have somewhat weakened the impact? Sure, but it's not the decisive factor that saved him, but a secondary factor that may have contributed to it. RS was the star of the clash, don't take away from that shielding your arguments behind "It's a mixture".

I know Haki wasn't only thing to save him as have you been listening? I said mixture of both Haki and RS. No one states 'Haki save them' in their fights as we get idea just by looking at it as you never hear Luffy addressing he survives thanks to Haki stating the name of it when he fights. It's just obvious to now Haki play a role along with the RS too.

Cause Sanji wasn't expecting just like his Haki, RS is durable as well and still testing it even as he fights which he dislike to admit it given how he hate his family. He still relying on his own techniques even wearing RS as nothing change in him how he fights with his legs still and use Haki added to that for offense and defense about it. I acknowledge it, but you can't acknowledge if Sanji can use Haki defensively than just only offensive which I putting in. Never I state RS didn't do anything, but your trying to force that in my posts despite I agree with you all on RS usages.

You mean next page when he was drawing characters, we see in same page an visible Zoro with injuries on his head, but none on Sanji. If he truly forgot to write injuries on others, that page would shown Zoro without his either. You can't forget about drawing injuries on one character than drawing next one without it if your mindset is thinking about it. Debris and injury mark look similar, but you can tell difference on them on closer inspection. Idk why you want force injury yet your trying to debate me RS saved him from being hurt, but somehow his head got hurt despite King was aiming for his stomach? Doesn't make sense where you getting at. Oda does make rarely error mistakes, I know that, but if it was on same page, mistakes are usually on that one all together, not spread out on multiple pages. I don't think it looks like accident given he remember to draw injuries on another character, but not the other. It's just Debris on his face than actually hurt mark there.

No it is and your force narration to push I don't see value of RS when stated in past posts that I know about talk and RS is durable in tanking the attack, but just stating Haki is added to that too. I have no issue on the matter the situation and actually add more to it by saying he use Haki along with RS on durability, Idk why your impossible for you to see that as RS doesn't stop him from using Haki, so why think otherwise? I am not taking anything away, but just admitting it's possibility he use Haki against YC lvl enemy as what be the excuse he doesn't try to protect himself and choose to think suit will handle all of it? Just saying he still have issues with using RS, so make sense it's both his Haki and RS. I just saying on possibility of how it looks since not the first time Sanji can use Haki in defensive manner after all.

 

[goldb]

Moe I swear you will debate a fucking pigeon to death even if it's offering you its crumbs already.

There is absolutely nothing to debate here and it's always the same thing with you everywhere. You can never admit when you're wrong but instead try to pass it off as someone else being defensive or some forced narration or some "just saying" passive aggressiveness. Just stop. Sanji used the Raid Suit to take the blunt of King's attack WITH his raid suit, he commented on it himself. THIS POST is everything you need to know about that particular encounter.

Sanji using and knowing Haki is not a point of contention as even those who oppose you agree on that matter but for some reason you seem to continuously want to deny how effective the raid suit is for Sanji. Why does it hurt you so much that he uses it? Why do you think Oda went through the trouble of having him receive it from his sibling, just for shits and giggles?

This particular debate ends here.

 

[King Moe]

Moe I swear you will debate a fucking pigeon to death even if it's offering you its crumbs already.

There is absolutely nothing to debate here and it's always the same thing with you everywhere. You can never admit when you're wrong but instead try to pass it off as someone else being defensive or some forced narration or some "just saying" passive aggressiveness. Just stop. Sanji used the Raid Suit to take the blunt of King's attack WITH his raid suit, he commented on it himself. THIS POST is everything you need to know about that particular encounter.

Sanji using and knowing Haki is not a point of contention as even those who oppose you agree on that matter but for some reason you seem to continuously want to deny how effective the raid suit is for Sanji. Why does it hurt you so much that he uses it? Why do you think Oda went through the trouble of having him receive it from his sibling, just for shits and giggles?

This particular debate ends here.

I just state many times I accept RS's durable in that chapter many times. Never said it didn't and not being aggressive either. I am behind computer screen, but I been calm all this time in my posts. Though of course, let's move on now. I want to know thoughts about what new moveset you all will see in upcoming chapters? Do you think Anime in latest episode are putting moves by word of Oda will show later like that CP-like move that looks like Advanced Ranayaku (Sorry if I misspell)? What new techniques you could see with Sanji doing without and with RS respectively?

 

[M3J]

anyway, I hope Franky and Usopp update the suit with some cool stuff. I can't imagine the Monster Quartet not going up against non-devil fruit users, and Sanji needs all the advantage he can get as he's the most normal of the four.

 

[Shasha23]

Link never show and talking about chapters later show him being ok and no injuries on his body. Again he tank it fine and your pushing it to be something it isn't.

You are shown Sanji bleeding, can you stop this trolling shit already!
Sanji was hurt by King and was bleeding but its not a big deal for him so why are you trying to make it as if Sanji was never damaged, we just saw Zoro and Luffy taking damage from Queen and falling to the ground and you wont see anyone saying shit like they did take damage from it since they did, Sanji got hurt get over it!

 

[King Moe]

anyway, I hope Franky and Usopp update the suit with some cool stuff. I can't imagine the Monster Quartet not going up against non-devil fruit users, and Sanji needs all the advantage he can get as he's the most normal of the four.

Doesn't look like it was something big or at least not shown yet, but Sanji already shown fine fighting with King who couldn't damage him and he wasn't even taking seriously when rescuing Momo. I am sure we will see more since fight is still ongoing between them.

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You are shown Sanji bleeding, can you stop this trolling shit already!
Sanji was hurt by King and was bleeding but its not a big deal for him so why are you trying to make it as if Sanji was never damaged, we just saw Zoro and Luffy taking damage from Queen and falling to the ground and you wont see anyone saying shit like they did take damage from it since they did, Sanji got hurt get over it!

Chapter 990 shows he isn't. Stop with debunk claims if latest chapter disproves it. We same same page of injured Zoro and didn't draw anything on Sanji. If he forget it wouldn't make sense why he didn't on Zoro on same page. Accept Sanji got better durability than Zoro overall and Luffy is a Rubber Man, he can bounce back and doesn't even look like he has any injuries on his body at all either. We moving on from this talk already, so let it go on your side.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Chapter 990 shows he isn't. Stop with debunk claims if latest chapter disproves it. We same same page of injured Zoro and didn't draw anything on Sanji. If he forget it wouldn't make sense why he didn't' on Zoro on same page. Accept Sanji got better durability than Zoro overall and Luffy is a Rubber Man, he can bounce back and doesn't even look at any injuries on his body at all either. We moving on from this talk already, so let it go on your side.

nah, oda just forgot the part on sanji. He actually did the same thing to luffy

Luffy on the last panel had a clean face, even though we know he had been hurt before. Oda sometimes forgot detail of his drawing and usually corrected this in the volume version.

Fact is sanji was seen with visible wound after he got attacked. We moving on from this talk already, so let it go on your side.

 

[Nie Li]

There are times Oda has forgotten things like Zoro's swords on his hip or Crocodiles golden hook. The infamous COVER panel in which Crocodile had two hands and was later corrected in the volume release.

Oda makes mistakes, he's a human with a tight schedule. When a mistake is as obvious as this one, since this one's proven by its context panels (chapter 989), it's nothing new, and it shouldn't be debatable.

 

[HereNThere]

@Moegara and @goldb said all that needed to be said and provided receipts. Let's stop this right here.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

@Moegara and @goldb said all that needed to be said and provided receipts. Let's stop this right here.

i agree.

I am actually curious about the relationship between sanji and kinemon. Sanji helped kinemon at PH even while being cussed by kinemon. And kinemon was really grateful towards sanji for that kind act. But nowadays kinemon just become another luffy wanker. I actually expected sanji to have a plot with kinemon at wano (something like tag team with kinemon)

 

[HereNThere]

i agree.

I am actually curious about the relationship between sanji and kinemon. Sanji helped kinemon at PH even while being cussed by kinemon. And kinemon was really grateful towards sanji for that kind act. But nowadays kinemon just become another luffy wanker. I actually expected sanji to have a plot with kinemon at wano (something like tag team with kinemon)

It's not much of a surprise. Kine'mon never really interacted with any of the Strawhats after PH. Them being split up early on in Dressrosa didn't help matters either.

Kine'mon quickly offered to go to WCI to help get him back, but that was the last of it. I'd say he's probably the Strawhat he respects the most after Luffy.

 

[King Moe]

It's not much of a surprise. Kine'mon never really interacted with any of the Strawhats after PH. Them being split up early on in Dressrosa didn't help matters either.

Kine'mon quickly offered to go to WCI to help get him back, but that was the last of it. I'd say he's probably the Strawhat he respects the most after Luffy.

Still does as he does see Luffy and Sanji with the most respect not just for their power, but also their characters, so think we will see later more on interactions depending.

 

[M3J]

Doesn't look like it was something big or at least not shown yet, but Sanji already shown fine fighting with King who couldn't damage him and he wasn't even taking seriously when rescuing Momo. I am sure we will see more since fight is still ongoing between them.

That example is a perfect proof of why Sanji needs the raid suit, as he himself admitted it protected him from King's peck attack. Sanji was hurt, but not as badly hurt because of how durable the suit is, in Sanji's own words. Plus, it's unfair that Sanji's the only one out of the three who doesn't get a powerup.

 

[King Moe]

That example is a perfect proof of why Sanji needs the raid suit, as he himself admitted it protected him from King's peck attack. Sanji was hurt, but not as badly hurt because of how durable the suit is, in Sanji's own words. Plus, it's unfair that Sanji's the only one out of the three who doesn't get a powerup.

RS is more skill than true power though as invisibility can't help boost anything and from what we seen he use it on stealth missions, not for lack of power. That still him inside the suit and fighting with his legs regardless if he wears it or not, so if we see new attacks and techniques it's more of what he create than more so suit make, but RS does have it's certain benefits which I already admit about it.