Discussion Luffy Discussion Thread

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Also Hawkins is joining Law right now on upcoming fight as why your saying he won't change sides? Don't make sense there.

Hawkins joining Law when???

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Zoro won't be involve in the fight. Stop forcing it in when Kidd and Law are more above him and stronger to face Kaido over him. Zoro will be facing his own issues with Orochi, T6H, Smoothie, or Queen, but not facing Kaido. Also guy betray to save his skin before, so why wouldn't he try betraying to save himself from losing battle when there is chance to defeat Kaido, so Idk what you mean there. Also Hawkins is joining Law right now on upcoming fight as why your saying he won't change sides? Don't make sense there.

How is it forcing? I am just saying i think the luffy zoro vs kaido would be amazing to see. No need to be so insecure about zoro.

When did hawkins join law?

There is no way kidd would be fine to fight with hawkins and apoo after what had happened. If they joined SHP, it would just be a rat chase between kidd and them.

 

[King Moe]

Hawkins joining Law when???

They look like Hawkins could join the crew given interaction through Law given they look to respect and understand importance of planning things out especially Hawkins would side on them eventuality given circumstances going.

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How is it forcing? I am just saying i think the luffy zoro vs kaido would be amazing to see. No need to be so insecure about zoro.

When did hawkins join law?

There is no way kidd would be fine to fight with hawkins and apoo after what had happened. If they joined SHP, it would just be a rat chase between kidd and them.

That is forcing as nothing state Zoro will face him and your pushing it again when we talking more Luffy again. Luffy doesn't let his crew fight his own battles for him if he determine to be one to take down major antagonist as shown many times. Don't be insecure over Luffy taking spotlight given he is MC after all.. Series isn't about Zoro, but he get his spotlight in another way, but not in fodder to Kaido.

Not like they have a choice to argue about it in the middle of a war and especially when time comes to face Kaido, so it can possible happen especially not first time we see unlikely team-ups like Luffy and Crocodile for example despite their history.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

They look like Hawkins could join the crew given interaction through Law given they look to respect and understand importance of planning things out especially Hawkins would side on them eventuality given circumstances going.

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That is forcing as nothing state Zoro will face him and your pushing it again when we talking more Luffy again. Luffy doesn't let his crew fight his own battles for him if he determine to be one to take down major antagonist as shown many times. Don't be insecure over Luffy taking spotlight given he is MC after all.. Series isn't about Zoro, but he get his spotlight in another way, but not in fodder to Kaido.

Not like they have a choice to argue about it in the middle of a war and especially when time comes to face Kaido, so it can possible happen especially not first time we see unlikely team-ups like Luffy and Crocodile for example despite their history.

nah, zoro talked about facing kaido since this raid began. I am just sharing my opinion like everyone else here, why so angry and bitter about zoro?
Luffy zoro vs kaido is interesting

luffy doesn't let his crew fight his battle?

Literally previous arc had this.

Funny you bring up luffy and crocodile, coz luffy actually clashed with crocodile when croc tried to attack whitebeard. They were almost in fight again if not for the WB interfering against croc. Thank you for bringing an example against yourself lmao

 

[King Moe]

nah, zoro talked about facing kaido since this raid began. I am just sharing my opinion like everyone else here, why so angry and bitter about zoro?
Luffy zoro vs kaido is interesting

luffy doesn't let his crew fight his battle?

Literally previous arc had this.

Funny you bring up luffy and crocodile, coz luffy actually clashed with crocodile when croc tried to attack whitebeard. They were almost in fight again if not for the WB interfering against croc. Thank you for bringing an example against yourself lmao

He also talk about facing Orochi and different opponents in this arc, but doesn't mean it could happen especially he never once face final enemy in climax of an arc and Oda won't put him above Luffy in performance like that. Zoro face those on his level, not be fodder to someone he won't beat.

Since when was Cracker major antagonist of the whole arc? Are you trolling when Katakuri and Big Mom was there? You really can't admit fault or proof anything about the discussion. Luffy been one to be major blow to major antagonists and beat them, no one else do that for him from his crew.

Yeah they clashed, but still work together even Crocodile saved Luffy from Miahwk and Akainu despite not being bound to anything to do that. So again unlikely team-ups is a thing, don't be illogical thinking on possibility of that. If Oda done it before he can do it again.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

He also talk about facing Orochi and different opponents in this arc, but doesn't mean it could happen especially he never once face final enemy in climax of an arc and Oda won't put him above Luffy in performance like that. Zoro face those on his level, not be fodder to someone he won't beat.

Since when was Cracker major antagonist of the whole arc? Are you trolling when Katakuri and Big Mom was there? You really can't admit fault or proof anything about the discussion. Luffy been one to be major blow to major antagonists and beat them, no one else do that for him from his crew.

Yeah they clashed, but still work together even Crocodile saved Luffy from Akainu despite not being bound to anything to do that. So again unlikely team-ups is a thing, don't be illogical thinking on possibility of that. If Oda done it before he can do it again.

except orochi's already dead.
I don't say zoro going to solo kaido, i am saying he's tag-team with luffy to beat kaido.

you only said about "his battle", don't blame this on me. You should know what you are writing.
As you said about sanji's fight, sometimes writing can be different. Sometimes sanji would fight the second strongest (you said this for shiryu fight), so luffy zoro vs kaido is also possible

that doesn't change the fact that crocodile almost had a fight with luffy. You think kaido's going to stand still watching kidd fighting apoo and hawkins.

 

[King Moe]

except orochi's already dead.
I don't say zoro going to solo kaido, i am saying he's tag-team with luffy to beat kaido.

you only said about "his battle", don't blame this on me. You should know what you are writing.
As you said about sanji's fight, sometimes writing can be different. Sometimes sanji would fight the second strongest (you said this for shiryu fight), so luffy zoro vs kaido is also possible

that doesn't change the fact that crocodile almost had a fight with luffy. You think kaido's going to stand still watching kidd fighting apoo and hawkins.

He coming back to life if you think lore of Orochi with his head getting cut is the end of someone with Mythical Zoan DF lol.

He isn't doing that either at all. He doesn't fight Luffy's battles and left Luffy handle it more his own. Luffy discuss that many times in stopping his crew getting involve in his major antagonist fights he want to face.

I said Major Antagonist of the whole arc. How did that translate to Cracker? He wasn't 'Main', but one of the antagonists. Luffy can fights with his crew with enemies around, I never state he didn't, but main antagonists of each arc are always his fights he prove his worth his own than asking the crew to fight his own battle. Stop inserting in situations when Zoro is not MC nor shown anything he can face Kaido without getting one-shot like early.

They still continue teaming up later, so again your argument debunk if Luffy was fine accepting his help later. That still teaming up with someone despite their issues with each other. OP have done unlikely team-ups before especially Impel Down and Marineford were important themes for that. Idk why your debating hard on it being possibility when been shown already.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

He coming back to life if you think lore of Orochi with his head getting cut is the end of someone with Mythical Zoan DF lol.

He isn't doing that either at all. He doesn't fight Luffy's battles and left Luffy handle it more his own. Luffy discuss that many times in stopping his crew getting involve in his major antagonist fights he want to face.

I said Major Antagonist of the whole arc. How did that translate to Cracker? He wasn't 'Main', but one of the antagonists. Luffy can fights with his crew with enemies around, I never state he didn't, but main antagonists of each arc are always his fights he prove his worth his own than asking the crew to fight his own battle. Stop inserting in situations when Zoro is not MC nor shown anything he can face Kaido without getting one-shot like early.

They still continue teaming up later, so again your argument debunk if Luffy was fine accepting his help later. That still teaming up with someone despite their issues with each other. OP have done unlikely team-ups before especially Impel Down and Marineford were important themes for that. Idk why your debating hard on it being possibility when been shown already.

not saying orochi's gone forever, but just that the current fact is orochi's dead. The lore is just a theory.

you always talk about how the writing could change multiple times when it comes about sanji. Then, the writing could also bring zoro to tag team with luffy against kaido. There is a reason why oda gave zoro the sword that injured kaido (even still aching now, as kaido said recently).

Luffy zoro vs kaido has been hyped in the shonen magazine.

 

[Fox666]

Luffy zoro vs kaido has been hyped in the shonen magazine.

More like it's just because both of them have swords in the chapters

 

[goldb]

He coming back to life if you think lore of Orochi with his head getting cut is the end of someone with Mythical Zoan DF lol.

I think you need to read this lore on Yamata no Orochi again because what you're referring to is a completely different legend. That's not to say Oda won't revive Orochi, but at this point it's just a making for murky waters in these upcoming battles and it wouldn't be following the myth of the characters.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I think you need to read this lore on Yamata no Orochi again because what you're referring to is a completely different legend. That's not to say Oda won't revive Orochi, but at this point it's just a making for murky waters in these upcoming battles and it wouldn't be following the myth of the characters.

this.
I don't mean it's impossible, but just that it's not guaranteed because of lores. It's just a theory.

 

[Nie Li]

He coming back to life if you think lore of Orochi with his head getting cut is the end of someone with Mythical Zoan DF lol.

He isn't doing that either at all. He doesn't fight Luffy's battles and left Luffy handle it more his own. Luffy discuss that many times in stopping his crew getting involve in his major antagonist fights he want to face.

I said Major Antagonist of the whole arc. How did that translate to Cracker? He wasn't 'Main', but one of the antagonists. Luffy can fights with his crew with enemies around, I never state he didn't, but main antagonists of each arc are always his fights he prove his worth his own than asking the crew to fight his own battle. Stop inserting in situations when Zoro is not MC nor shown anything he can face Kaido without getting one-shot like early.

Give me an example. Show me how he stopped Law from getting involved with his fight with Doflamingo (unless you're telling me he's only discriminating his crew, his family, from helping him and he's okay with anyone else). Show me a single time he's gone full Goku and said "Don't fight that guy, he's the one I want to beat up". The Cracker fight was no different. That's the hardest fight for Luffy prior to that moment so to him it was certainly a major antagonist.

The only time Luffy said something similar was before the CP9 fight and Nami explained his attitude in a different way, saying something like "Luffy knows Lucci would kill us all so he wants to take on the responsibility to bring him down", but it's not like the rest of the crew was to wait sitting idly while he fought, they were all busy with other opponents. Fanky intervened in Luffy vs Lucci and Luffy wasn't mad at him. Then Usopp also intervened in the end.


Tell me, how would the plot, Luffy's character or anyone else's character be harmed by Zoro possibly aiding Luffy against Kaido? You're okay with Law or Kid lending a hand against him, right? Why can't Zoro, another supernova, help as well? Kaido has already been injured by the scabbards, so it's a fact that Luffy won't fight a 100% healthy Kaido, and that's okay. Luffy taking down the strongest creature on Earth on a real 1vs1 would make the remaining Yonkos look like easier prey, yet if Luffy has help and some other strong fighters wear him down a bit for him (just like the Doflamingo fight), then Luffy's victory will be more believable and the challenges ahead will still feel like challenges.

So is there any reason you don't want to see Zoro fighting (not defeating, fighting) Kaido other than that you hate Zoro?

I'm not even arguing that it will happen. I'm only questioning your reasoning.

 

[King Moe]

I think you need to read this lore on Yamata no Orochi again because what you're referring to is a completely different legend. That's not to say Oda won't revive Orochi, but at this point it's just a making for murky waters in these upcoming battles and it wouldn't be following the myth of the characters.

Why waste on fodder an Mythical Zoan DF if Oda thought he was truly waste of his character? Just doesn't feel right that is all about Orochi after such build up for him and plus given with Pound, hard to say if he is gone for good or with his DF will come back with justified reason to it. Not first time he use lore from real life for inspiration on characters and their abilities. Let's see how it goes as the arc progress.

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not saying orochi's gone forever, but just that the current fact is orochi's dead. The lore is just a theory.

you always talk about how the writing could change multiple times when it comes about sanji. Then, the writing could also bring zoro to tag team with luffy against kaido. There is a reason why oda gave zoro the sword that injured kaido (even still aching now, as kaido said recently).

Luffy zoro vs kaido has been hyped in the shonen magazine.

Cover pages aren't hint to that at all as you could say the same thing of different cover pages showing characters with major threats, but doesn't mean they actual fight with them especially Major Antagonist in the arc which nothing proves Zoro will be the one to do anything about him nor even joining the fight if Luffy told him to stay out of it the same when he wants to face someone. Zoro will understand and accept it as shown in many examples show by him. Zoro not harming nor facing Kaido without being fodderize as Oda won't overshot a crew over Luffy's abilities being strongest and spotlight the most. No proof you have at all about it.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Cover pages aren't hint to that at all as you could say the same thing of different cover pages showing characters with major threats, but doesn't mean they actual fight with them especially Major Antagonist in the arc which nothing proves Zoro will be the one to do anything about him nor even joining the fight if Luffy told him to stay out of it the same when he wants to face someone. Zoro will understand and accept it as shown in many examples show by him. Zoro not harming nor facing Kaido without being fodderize as Oda won't overshot a crew over Luffy's abilities being strongest and spotlight the most. No proof you have at all about it.

i am not saying it's a foreshadow, but the cover magazine is hype. Obviously zoro has big role prepared in wano.

nah, as you often told for sanji part, the match up can be changed. So zoro can also join luffy's match up.
Zoro luffy vs kaido. Zoro covered for luffy to hold down kaido when luffy ran out of haki post G4.

What proof do you have that it's guaranteed 100% that zoro won't fight kaido? Give me that proof

 

[King Moe]

Give me an example. Show me how he stopped Law from getting involved with his fight with Doflamingo (unless you're telling me he's only discriminating his crew, his family, from helping him and he's okay with anyone else). Show me a single time he's gone full Goku and said "Don't fight that guy, he's the one I want to beat up". The Cracker fight was no different. That's the hardest fight for Luffy prior to that moment so to him it was certainly a major antagonist.

The only time Luffy said something similar was before the CP9 fight and Nami explained his attitude in a different way, saying something like "Luffy knows Lucci would kill us all so he wants to take on the responsibility to bring him down", but it's not like the rest of the crew was to wait sitting idly while he fought, they were all busy with other opponents. Fanky intervened in Luffy vs Lucci and Luffy wasn't mad at him. Then Usopp also intervened in the end.


Tell me, how would the plot, Luffy's character or anyone else's character be harmed by Zoro possibly aiding Luffy against Kaido? You're okay with Law or Kid lending a hand against him, right? Why can't Zoro, another supernova, help as well? Kaido has already been injured by the scabbards, so it's a fact that Luffy won't fight a 100% healthy Kaido, and that's okay. Luffy taking down the strongest creature on Earth on a real 1vs1 would make the remaining Yonkos look like easier prey, yet if Luffy has help and some other strong fighters wear him down a bit for him (just like the Doflamingo fight), then Luffy's victory will be more believable and the challenges ahead will still feel like challenges.

So is there any reason you don't want to see Zoro fighting (not defeating, fighting) Kaido other than that you hate Zoro?

I'm not even arguing that it will happen. I'm only questioning your reasoning.

We talking about Crew, not outside of it. Luffy is fine with his allies outside crew to fight enemy, but not his crew given he is Captain and spotlight is on him being strongest out of it and plus why denied Law when he is carrying out revenge for Corazon? Doesn't make sense why he would stop him. Plus in same arc Zoro never went for Doflamingo after his fight was done and decide to do something else. Oda done this many time to not have crew involve in Luffy's major fights with main antagonist especially him stating time on them not to get involve in his battles before like those. You and GM missed point completely as never said every enemy, but Major Antagonist ones which again still shown they don't fight Luffy's battle for him in facing them. Last time I check Cracker wasn't Main Antagonist, Katakuri and Big Mom were in that arc, so your not proving nothing about my point.

Nah not just Lucci, many Major Antagonists than him and didn't Franky leave it to Luffy after he told him he will take him? What idea you get Luffy asked him to help? It's not about if he get mad or not, but about he wants to face someone solo to prove something and take them down himself to get stronger and defeat obstacles that he can be someone who can protect his crew when facing Main Antagonists like Lucci.

Zoro haven't' shown nothing on his person why he be able to participate and handle someone as mighty as Kaido who will one-shot him down like a fodder after said character like Zoro never beaten anyone credible to justify he can keep up with Luffy or even do enough damage for Kaido at all as Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Kamazou, Gyukimaro, and latest Apoo made him more hype tool than him dominating them. You want me to say Zoro will solo/kill/beat Kaido when his performance don't back it up? Plus Luffy want be one to be major to his defeat especially Oda push Luffy as importance overall for that factor. He will get outside help, but not the crew in that all take on Kaido all together as they will face Kaido's crew in their spotlight, but Oda pushing more Luffy, Kidd, Law, and rest of Supernova Captains being involved, but not Zoro who be having his hands full getting through army enemies when he couldn't' handle passing into Gifters until Armed Samurai forces help him out to get past.

You got think realistically, not imagination as your point isn't canon thing nor supported that it will happen. I respect Zoro on him having spotlight, but somehow being on able to face Kaido is overstepping too much especially it overshadows Luffy's importance how he been build for Kaido since many arcs ago. Oda likes giving him the spotlight for his development and performance in Main Antagonists which have been shown many times.

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i am not saying it's a foreshadow, but the cover magazine is hype. Obviously zoro has big role prepared in wano.

nah, as you often told for sanji part, the match up can be changed. So zoro can also join luffy's match up.
Zoro luffy vs kaido. Zoro covered for luffy to hold down kaido when luffy ran out of haki post G4.

What proof do you have that it's guaranteed 100% that zoro won't fight kaido? Give me that proof

You were using it as proof saying they will happen when it shouldn't be taken like that. Zoro vs Kaido is fantasy than reality.

Zoro will get his spotlight, but not with Kaido unless he gets hype tool again, so again keep it logical with him facing someone more his strength, not overhyping on imagination you want to push.,

By all Main Antagonists of each arc Luffy is one to fight them and lead to their eventual defeat and Zoro at times even ones he was active after the fight, never rush to go to help or face Luffy's battles for him. So your saying ignore on that and somehow Zoro vs Kaido is '100%' happening because you say so? You have no proof on backing unlike years of OP always show Luffy being one facing Main Antagonist. this isn't anything biased on me, just how Oda like pushing Luffy to be development for him and he doesn't let anyone in the crew to be stronger or spotlight over what he will do. Don't feel so insecure over what has been shown many times on this.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

You were using it as proof saying they will happen when it shouldn't be taken like that. Zoro vs Kaido is fantasy than reality.

Zoro will get his spotlight, but not with Kaido unless he gets hype tool again, so again keep it logical with him facing someone more his strength, not overhyping on imagination you want to push.,

By all Main Antagonists of each arc Luffy is one to fight them and lead to their eventual defeat and Zoro at times even ones he was active after the fight, never rush to go to help or face Luffy's battles for him. So your saying ignore on that and somehow Zoro vs Kaido is '100%' happening because you say so? You have no proof on backing unlike years of OP always show Luffy being one facing Main Antagonist. this isn't anything biased on me, just how Oda like pushing Luffy to be development for him and he doesn't let anyone in the crew to be stronger or spotlight over what he will do. Don't feel so insecure over what has been shown many times on this.

i never said it was a proof and "they will happen". I just said it's hyped. Don't blame me for your misinterpretation here.

nah, zoro has sword that can give permanent injury to kaido. I don't get why you need to be so insecure about this. My point is that zoro will assist luffy, so the focus would still be on luffy.

i never said zoro vs kaido is '100%'. Give me proof of that.

Writing in OP can change, as you also say for several times on sanji fight. Zoro always fight the stronger one but you said the match up can change. Now you said it's impossible for change?

Luffy zoro vs kaido is hyped match up that will be amusing to see

 

[King Moe]

i never said it was a proof and "they will happen". I just said it's hyped. Don't blame me for your misinterpretation here.

nah, zoro has sword that can give permanent injury to kaido. I don't get why you need to be so insecure about this. My point is that zoro will assist luffy, so the focus would still be on luffy.

i never said zoro vs kaido is '100%'. Give me proof of that.

Writing in OP can change, as you also say for several times on sanji fight. Zoro always fight the stronger one but you said the match up can change. Now you said it's impossible for change?

Luffy zoro vs kaido is hyped match up that will be amusing to see

Nah you post to me when I ask about your ideals about it, so just telling you that's not proof no matter how you want force it. Don't read into cover pages like that it will happen.

Ame also injured Kaido too, not just Enma, so expect Momo to cut him down too if we using sword case as it wasn't one sword that harm him. Both did and we can see for sure Momo and Zoro won't be involve as Oda want to push Luffy is the one to be major threat to Kaido, not someone else. Why learn Adv,. COA just to give to someone else? Again illogical point your trying to push ON THERE.

Stating right now Zoro being involve which means he will face Kaido, so you are pushing it. Spotlight will always be Luffy with the most from his crew and he won't let Zoro be one to do that nor Oda want that either as he wants Luffy to prove himself in his quest to be PK.

It does, but not like that. He will face Queen from how the hints are going given King and Queen are equals, so he will face him as his major foe or Orochi once he comes back from his DF powers from how it's looking. Zoro get his spotlight, but not in that case your pushing imagination over the canon.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah you post to me when I ask about your ideals about it, so just telling you that's not proof no matter how you want force it. Don't read into cover pages like that it will happen.

Ame also injured Kaido too, not just Enma, so expect Momo to cut him down too if we using sword case as it wasn't one sword that harm him. Both did and we can see for sure Momo and Zoro won't be involve as Oda want to push Luffy is the one to be major threat to Kaido, not someone else. Why learn Adv,. COA just to give to someone else? Again illogical point your trying to push ON THERE.

Stating right now Zoro being involve which means he will face Kaido, so you are pushing it. Spotlight will always be Luffy with the most from his crew and he won't let Zoro be one to do that nor Oda want that either as he wants Luffy to prove himself in his quest to be PK.

It does, but not like that. He will face Queen from how the hints are going given King and Queen are equals, so he will face him as his major foe or Orochi once he comes back from his DF powers from how it's looking. Zoro get his spotlight, but not in that case your pushing imagination over the canon.

nah you just accused me. I am just saying the cover hyped zoro. That's all. No need to be so bitter about it.

Momo cannot fight yet, while zoro is clearly a fighter. Different case.
Luffy learnt advanced CoA to hurt kaido, but doesn't mean it's guaranteed he would fight alone.
I mean, you also said that the supernova captains would fight kaido, but now you said "Why learn Adv,. COA just to give to someone else?" , then why did you say the supernova capt would fight kaido? Why do you say "oda wants luffy to prove himself in his quest to be PK" if he's getting help from supernova capt? You just backpedal your arguments here

Not saying that kaido will be zoro's only fight. He might beat queen/orochi, then go after kaido too and will be in time to cover luffy against kaido when luffy ran out of haki.

 

[Nie Li]

This and Sanji's threads have become stagnant as hell today.

There's a chance that Zoro will fight Kaido (not defeat; fight) or just a Calamity like King. Or perhaps one thing after the other, who knows. There's a chance slightly foreshadowed from Enma's legacy and Zoro's still blurry connection to Wano.

There's also a chance that it won't happen, but "that not being how it usually goes in past arcs" shouldn't be a point made by the man who earlier this month was arguing that "Sanji can fight Shiryu because even if that is not the norm of who is usually his main opponent it can change now".


@Grandmaster Woro @King Moe You won't reach a standing, and you both know what the other thinks, so just drop it and move on unless you want to go at it for days. This is a Luffy thread so rather than discuss if it will be Zoro who will help him against Kaido, let's talk more generically: You both agree that Luffy will tag team Kaido (with whoever) or does any of you believe that after the scabbards get defeated by Kaido up there Luffy will somehow 1vs1 him all alone?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

This and Sanji's threads have become stagnant as hell today.

There's a chance that Zoro will fight Kaido (not defeat; fight) or just a Calamity like King. Or perhaps one thing after the other, who knows. There's a chance slightly foreshadowed from Enma's legacy and Zoro's still blurry connection to Wano.

There's also a chance that it won't happen, but "that not being how it usually goes in past arcs" shouldn't be a point made by the man who earlier this month was arguing that "Sanji can fight Shiryu because even if that is not the norm of who is usually his main opponent it can change now".


@Grandmaster Woro @King Moe You won't reach a standing, and you both know what the other thinks, so just drop it and move on unless you want to go at it for days. This is a Luffy thread so rather than discuss if it will be Zoro who will help him against Kaido, let's talk more generically: You both agree that Luffy will tag team Kaido (with whoever) or does any of you believe that after the scabbards get defeated by Kaido up there Luffy will somehow 1vs1 him all alone?

thank you for the concern. I actually have been trying to make this about luffy, that's why i put emphasis on the tag team battle for luffy. But it seems moe was set on bashing zoro, so i guess i would just be the bigger man and ignore this chain discussion.

anyway, i still don't see luffy 1v1 kaido unless he finds new tricks or get helps, since i don't see how haki-depleted luffy would be able to outrun a dragon in an open area (castle roof top)