One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

wtf, who was?

Battle Axe Morgan? Zoro onigiried him.

 

[Ramen]

Battle Axe Morgan? Zoro onigiried him.

Spoiler: Badass Move

 

[Nie Li]

Spoiler: Badass Move

All of Zoro's moves are food-named. It's ironic that he's neither the glutton nor the cook of the crew.

 

[Ramen]

All of Zoro's moves are food-named. It's ironic that he's neither the glutton nor the cook of the crew.

Are they? Rengoku?

Onigiris are very tasty so I ain't complaining.

 

[M3J]

Battle Axe Morgan? Zoro onigiried him.

Oh.

Probably because it was obvious that Luffy would have won anyway.

 

[Nie Li]

Are they? Rengoku?

Onigiris are very tasty so I ain't complaining.

Some of his onigiri variations from the later years don't have a variant, but don't make me reword it.

Take it as an onigiri with a taste of purgatory.

Oh.

Probably because it was obvious that Luffy would have won anyway.

Indeed, Morgan was fodder either way.

I think that there may be some later exceptions though, like Luffy vs Kuro. I haven't thought of any else but it looks like you're right.

All, if not most, of his major fights since Kuro have been won either with help from third persons or not on round 1.

 

[Ramen]

Some of his onigiri variations from the later years don't have a variant, but don't make me reword it.

Take it as an onigiri with a taste of purgatory.

I don't think I've ever been as confused.

 

[M3J]

Nice, I accurately remembered something for once even if I was wrong in the same sentence. I think Luffy's the only Straw Hat that doesn't win in the first roudn or without help.

 

[HereNThere]

This is out of nowhere, but I just want to say that I'll be throwing a fit if Robin doesn't get a solo fight this arc.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Has Luffy ever won a fight on his own or in the first round after Morgan? It seems whether he's tricked or fairly beaten, it takes him more than one try or lots of help to win, example being Brulee as a hostage allowing Luffy to retreat and rest.

Personally though, I'm okay with this.

Does Luffy vs Blueno count? Unless you don't include one-shots.

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Nice, I accurately remembered something for once even if I was wrong in the same sentence. I think Luffy's the only Straw Hat that doesn't win in the first roudn or without help.

Luffy vs Bellamy. Another one-shot.

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All, if not most, of his major fights since Kuro have been won either with help from third persons or not on round 1.

I'd settle for most.

 

[Fox666]

Has Luffy ever won a fight on his own or in the first round after Morgan? It seems whether he's tricked or fairly beaten, it takes him more than one try or lots of help to win, example being Brulee as a hostage allowing Luffy to retreat and rest.

Personally though, I'm okay with this.

Yes.

Luffy has defeated all of his opponents in East Blue in a single fight.

However, all main villains in the Grand Line took more than one round, with the exception of Wapol and Hody Jones. He also could not defeated Smoker, Kizaru, Magellan and Akainu.

List of opponents Luffy defeated in one round:

• Seaking
• Alvida
• Morgan
• Koby
• Mohji
• Buggy
• Kuro
• Don Krieg
• Arlong
• Mr. 5
• Miss Valentine
• Mr. 3
• Wapol
• Franky Family
• Saint
• Charlos
• Boa sisters
• Hannybal
• Koby (again)
• PX5
• Surume
• Hody Jones
• Brownbeard
• Spartan
• Hajrudin
• Chinjao
• Cracker
• Urashima
• Holdem
• Page One

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Yes.

Luffy has defeated all of his opponents in East Blue in a single fight.

However, all main villains in the Grand Line took more than one round, with the exception of Wapol and Hody Jones. He also could not defeated Smoker, Kizaru, Magellan and Akainu.

List of opponents Luffy defeated in one round:

• Seaking
• Alvida
• Morgan
• Koby
• Mohji
• Buggy
• Kuro
• Don Krieg
• Arlong
• Mr. 5
• Miss Valentine
• Mr. 3
• Wapol
• Franky Family
• Saint
• Charlos
• Boa sisters
• Hannybal
• Koby (again)
• PX5
• Surume
• Hody Jones
• Brownbeard
• Spartan
• Hajrudin
• Chinjao
• Cracker
• Urashima
• Holdem
• Page One

How did he defeat P1?

 

[M3J]

Does Luffy vs Blueno count? Unless you don't include one-shots.

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Luffy vs Bellamy. Another one-shot.

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I'd settle for most.

No because they aren't boss fights or big fights. Blueno was to test Luffy's new abilities. Bellamy was also shit and not a boss fight.

Funnily, Moria would be an exception if Luffy didn't fall for tricks so easily. He'd have fought Moria and might have taken him down, but then we wouldn't have gotten the crew vs. Oars in an epic setting.

Yes.

Luffy has defeated all of his opponents in East Blue in a single fight.

However, all main villains in the Grand Line took more than one round, with the exception of Wapol and Hody Jones. He also could not defeated Smoker, Kizaru, Magellan and Akainu.

List of opponents Luffy defeated in one round:

• Seaking
• Alvida
• Morgan
• Koby
• Mohji
• Buggy
• Kuro
• Don Krieg
• Arlong
• Mr. 5
• Miss Valentine
• Mr. 3
• Wapol
• Franky Family
• Saint
• Charlos
• Boa sisters
• Hannybal
• Koby (again)
• PX5
• Surume
• Hody Jones
• Brownbeard
• Spartan
• Hajrudin
• Chinjao
• Cracker
• Urashima
• Holdem
• Page One

Moegara said Zoro finished off Morgan. Skipping most of those because I don't remember too well, up until Arlong. Without Sanji, Luffy would have drowned. I think Nami's sister helped too.

None of these people were Luffy's boss fights, I'm talking about the boss fights, like Wapol, where Luffy had Chopper to help him.

His fight against the Boa sisters was inconclusive.

Hannybal wasn't the boss, Magellan was, and Luffy lost to him badly once and didn't finish the fight the second time. Koby has also never been a boss fight, nothing more than a fodder.

Hodi is an exception. None of these examples after Hodi work either. If Luffy struggled against people like these, then he wouldn't deserve to beat the boss.

I dunno if Smoker or Kizaru count as they weren't really the boss of any arc. Or even Akainu as Luffy's main goal wasn't to beat anyone but save Ace, which he did technically succeed in doing.

And Nami helped against Cracker...

 

[Nie Li]

No because they aren't boss fights or big fights. Blueno was to test Luffy's new abilities. Bellamy was also shit and not a boss fight.

Funnily, Moria would be an exception if Luffy didn't fall for tricks so easily. He'd have fought Moria and might have taken him down, but then we wouldn't have gotten the crew vs. Oars in an epic setting.



Moegara said Zoro finished off Morgan. Skipping most of those because I don't remember too well, up until Arlong. Without Sanji, Luffy would have drowned. I think Nami's sister helped too.

None of these people were Luffy's boss fights, I'm talking about the boss fights, like Wapol, where Luffy had Chopper to help him.

His fight against the Boa sisters was inconclusive.

Hannybal wasn't the boss, Magellan was, and Luffy lost to him badly once and didn't finish the fight the second time. Koby has also never been a boss fight, nothing more than a fodder.

Hodi is an exception. None of these examples after Hodi work either. If Luffy struggled against people like these, then he wouldn't deserve to beat the boss.

I dunno if Smoker or Kizaru count as they weren't really the boss of any arc. Or even Akainu as Luffy's main goal wasn't to beat anyone but save Ace, which he did technically succeed in doing.

And Nami helped against Cracker...

Smoker was, at most, the boss of the Rogue Town miniarc. And Luffy certainly got his ass kicked hard back then.

 

[M3J]

How was he the boss of the miniarc? If he was, then Luffy wouldn't have run away.

 

[Nie Li]

How was he the boss of the miniarc? If he was, then Luffy wouldn't have run away.

Luffy didn't defeat anyone at all on Rogue Town but right before leaving the island he fought Smoker, the boss of the local marines who were trying to catch him, and lost. Only to be saved by Dragon who made him run away. So Smoker is pretty much a boss he lost to.

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Just like Magellan is the boss of Enies Lobby even though Luffy ran away without defeating anyone truly significant. In both cases he had no special reason to beat them.

 

[M3J]

Magellan was the boss because he did stand in Luffy's way. Smoker I can't consider a boss because Luffy could have run away without as much of a concern?

Or I'm just defending LUffy so doofuses don't accuse me of being a hater.

 

[Nie Li]

Magellan was the boss because he did stand in Luffy's way. Smoker I can't consider a boss because Luffy could have run away without as much of a concern?

Or I'm just defending LUffy so doofuses don't accuse me of being a hater.

There was a Luffy vs Sanji fight in which both Luffy and Sanji were pretty much humiliated (as expected from the first Logia in the series).

Smoker succesfully captured Luffy after the short fight and was about to knock him out with his kairouseki when Dragon intervened. Dragon is not only obviously stronger than Smoker, but he also somehow summoned a storm that stopped Smoker from turning into smoke again (by Smoker's own words "if he did the wind could blow him into the sea").

So, yeah, I think Smoker stood enough in Luffy's way (and failing at stopping Luffy made him follow him all the way to Punk Hazard). It doesn't seem like much because the arc was only like 10-20 chapters long.

 

[M3J]

I guess it just doesn't feel like a boss fight, felt more like Luffy vs. Aokiji or Blueno

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

I guess it just doesn't feel like a boss fight, felt more like Luffy vs. Aokiji or Blueno

Neither Aokiji nor Blueno was the main antagonist of their respective arcs, while Smoker was (or do you think that honor goes to Buggy?).