One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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Seeing as @Fox666 made a thread about it, all future discussion regarding comparisons of Emperor, Admiral or commander can be had there.

Discussion - Emperors vs Admirals vs Commanders

The series has consistently shown that the Emperors and Marine Admirals are on equal footing, and capable of easily defeating the Commanders of an Emperor's crew. Emperors vs Admirals (statements) We were told a few times that in order to become the Pirate King, Luffy must defeat the...

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[LadyVados]

Since they are now the only 2 top tiers we are allowed to discuss in this thread... who’s stronger ? Mihawk or Dragon ?

I think they are probably the 2 strongest beings in the One Piece world and above the Yonkos and the Admirals.

But between then I’m leaning slightly towards Mihawk. Partially because Mihawk wilI probably be the final fight in the series and Shonen logic indicates he’ll probably be stronger than anything that has come before. And partially because I think what makes Dragon the most dangerous man in the world is his political power and his army. The strongest 1v1 guy and the guy with the strongest political power are unlikely to be the same guy. Dragon is probably a bigger threat than Mihawk overall because of his organisation and thus more powerful but Mihawk is probably individually stronger.

I’m personally not sold on Imu being a fighter or at least being in contention for strongest fighter in the verse.

 

[Nie Li]

Since they are now the only 2 top tiers we are allowed to discuss in this thread... who’s stronger ? Mihawk or Dragon ?

I think they are probably the 2 strongest beings in the One Piece world and above the Yonkos and the Admirals.

But between then I’m leaning slightly towards Mihawk. Partially because Mihawk wilI probably be the final fight in the series and Shonen logic indicates he’ll probably be stronger than anything that has come before. And partially because I think what makes Dragon the most dangerous man in the world is his political power and his army. The strongest 1v1 guy and the guy with the strongest political power are unlikely to be the same guy. Dragon is probably a bigger threat than Mihawk overall because of his organisation and thus more powerful but Mihawk is probably individually stronger.

No idea, honestly. We have not a single clue about Dragon's strength, other than that his HQ were destroyed so he was probably chased away by Blackbeard (unless he was out on a mission when the attack happened. We have multiple examples of him going far from Baltigo).

Mihawk is the likely final fight for Zoro, but that is all about Zoro; Luffy will have a final fight against someone stronger than Mihawk while Zoro engages him, so there are people stronger than him. Dragon may be.

Either way, the character of Dragon doesn't make sense as an opponent of Zoro (he doesn't use weapons and he doesn't have powers relating to high durability for Zoro to cut through) and neither does he make sense as an enemy of the crew. Luffy is an ally of Ivankov, of the original Kuma, of Sabo, of Koala and of Hack, and Robin happily worked for them for two years. So it's likely Dragon will never be fought by any Straw Hat, which means he will serve a role similar to Marco's or Whitebeard's at some point, as an OP ally.

I’m personally not sold on Imu being a fighter or at least being in contention for strongest fighter in the verse.

Imu may only be a political figure or a fighter, no idea about him yet, but have you noticed he has the same eyes as Mihawk?

 

[King Moe]

Do anyone think when Dragon is refer as 'The Most Wanted Man' is that just a title or is his bounty truly higher than even Roger's? What you guys expect his bounty and his power to be? With all the hype Oda like pushing on Dragon, feel he is implied to be strongest of the deep top tiers maybe even above Whitebeard if he is around Roger's level of power or bit more.

Can see his bounty being 6-10 Billion from how it looks on his hype and portrayal about him.

 

[M3J]

Dragon's bounty is probably either higher than Roger's or nearly as high because it seems unlike Roger, Dragon is directly challenging the WG, as Robin I believe explained. I don't know if he's as strong, but it's not like bounty and strength really correlate.

 

[LadyVados]

Do anyone think when Dragon is refer as 'The Most Wanted Man' is that just a title or is his bounty truly higher than even Roger's? What you guys expect his bounty and his power to be? With all the hype Oda like pushing on Dragon, feel he is implied to be strongest of the deep top tiers maybe even above Whitebeard if he is around Roger's level of power or bit more.

Can see his bounty being 6-10 Billion from how it looks on his hype and portrayal about him.

I’d guess 6 bil. Though I could see 10.

I don’t see him being stronger than Roger tho.

One theory I’ve read says Dragon’s bounty poster reads- “Only Dead. Name your price.”

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but it's not like bounty and strength really correlate.

They do 90% of the time.

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while Zoro engages him

Disagree, I think Zoro vs Mihawk will be the final fight in the series and happen after the war.

Actually the final fight will probably be a friendly fight between Luffy and Coby but I meant final serious fight.

I highly doubt Mihawk is the underling of a main villain boss who Luffy will fight at the same time.

 

[HereNThere]

From the translations I've read, it seems Oda made sure to specify that Roger's and WB's bounties haven't been surpassed by any pirate, so that would allow Dragon to swoop in with the highest known bounty period.

 

[LadyVados]

have you noticed he has the same eyes as Mihawk?

I noticed that as soon as he was introduced. I’ve made several theories on it in the last few years LOL

 

[McNuss]

Disagree, I think Zoro vs Mihawk will be the final fight in the series and happen after the war.

Disagree, too.

I think they...

They...

They will fight at Shanks' funeral

 

[King Moe]

I’d guess 6 bil. Though I could see 10.

I don’t see him being stronger than Roger tho.

One theory I’ve read says Dragon’s bounty poster reads- “Only Dead. Name your price.”

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They do 90% of the time.

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Disagree, I think Zoro vs Mihawk will be the final fight in the series and happen after the war.

Actually the final fight will probably be a friendly fight between Luffy and Coby but I meant final serious fight.

I highly doubt Mihawk is the underling of a main villain boss who Luffy will fight at the same time.

Why would Luffy and Coby fight in at EOS? No reason for that especially Luffy is more above Coby by miles apart that point.

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Dragon's bounty is probably either higher than Roger's or nearly as high because it seems unlike Roger, Dragon is directly challenging the WG, as Robin I believe explained. I don't know if he's as strong, but it's not like bounty and strength really correlate.

It depends on character, but deep top tiers like Dragon will have powers to match their bounty given. Just because he suppose WG, wouldn't be only reason his bounty is given that high by them.

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Disagree, too.

I think they...

They...

They will fight at Shanks' funeral

Don't see that happening either.

 

[M3J]

That'd be a great reason to give him an incredibly high bounty though even if he doesn't have the strength to back it up, because he opposes the World Government and can actually topple them. Bounty's based on how dangerous the person is, which is why Kidd got the highest bounty out of all the Supernova due to his destructiveness.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

You'd expect someone who's no.2 is between YC1 and Admiral to be at least above Admiral level.
And since, sometimes, in One Piece family can count as a reason for strength, you'd expect the son of the Strongest Marine of his generation and father of the Strongest Supernova and fast growing rookie to be as monstrous as them

 

[King Moe]

You'd expect someone who's no.2 is between YC1 and Admiral to be at least above Admiral level.
And since, sometimes, in One Piece family can count as a reason for strength, you'd expect the son of the Strongest Marine of his generation and father of the Strongest Supernova and fast growing rookie to be as monstrous as them

Also being an 'D.' push more that you have to have monstrous power within you and doubt Dragon is just all about his group alone as pretty sure one of the reasons they follow him is also they respect his power too.

 

[LadyVados]

You'd expect someone who's no.2 is between YC1 and Admiral to be at least above Admiral level.
And since, sometimes, in One Piece family can count as a reason for strength, you'd expect the son of the Strongest Marine of his generation and father of the Strongest Supernova and fast growing rookie to be as monstrous as them

That's what I used to think before WCI...

 

[thedude]

Dragon is definitely Yonko level in my opinion. One of the strongest in the series for sure. Hopefully we see him in action.

 

[Fox666]

While I don't doubt Dragon will be incredibly powerful, I'm not sure if he's Yonko level.

• Dragon is always hiding in some secret location, while the Yonko are not scared of the government and their location is well-known.
• The revolutionaries got screwed by the Blackbeard Pirates, and Baltigo was destroyed.

 

[M3J]

One of the reasons why Iva believed Luffy could be Dragon's son is because of Luffy's "almost superhuman vitality," which means that Dragon is just as freakishly durable or has superhuman vitality as well. If nothing else, Dragon seems able to take damage and not die.

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[LadyVados]

Oda has been pushing Zoro as the future no. 1 of swordsmen for decades now.

Oda doesn't think as deeply as we do, about what constitutes a pure swordsman.

He will make EOS Zoro the strongest swordfighter in the verse, better than Big Mom, Shanks, Fujitora, Roger, EOS Law, Rocks, Imu, you name it.

Oda could have easily given BM an axe or Roger and Shanks a gun, but he didn't... for a reason.

Oda will never risk another sword wielding character being stronger than Zoro, because that would cast doubt on Zoro's title being real among the fandom, and harm his character and his story arc.

Chances are if Oda has given a character a sword, that means he intends them to be destined to be surpassed by Zoro.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oda has been pushing Zoro as the future no. 1 of swordsmen for decades now.

Oda doesn't think as deeply as we do, about what constitutes a pure swordsman.

He will make EOS Zoro the strongest swordfighter in the verse, better than Big Mom, Shanks, Fujitora, Roger, EOS Law, Rocks, Imu, you name it.

Oda could have easily given BM an axe or Roger and Shanks a gun, but he didn't... for a reason.

Oda will never risk another sword wielding character being stronger than Zoro, because that would cast doubt on Zoro's title being real among the fandom, and harm his character and his story arc.

Chances are if Oda has given a character a sword, that means he intends them to be destined to be surpassed by Zoro.

Change the record, seriously

 

[albertwv]

Do anyone think when Dragon is refer as 'The Most Wanted Man' is that just a title or is his bounty truly higher than even Roger's? What you guys expect his bounty and his power to be? With all the hype Oda like pushing on Dragon, feel he is implied to be strongest of the deep top tiers maybe even above Whitebeard if he is around Roger's level of power or bit more.

Can see his bounty being 6-10 Billion from how it looks on his hype and portrayal about him.

I think Oda will leave Roger's bounty as the highest until Luffy surprasses it. Dragon's bounty could be 3-5Billion, close to the Yonkos, but not over 5 Billion.

*Side note * Does it bother anyone else that Oda decided to give out bounties to the Yonkos random numbers for example: 4,611,100,000 or 4,048,900,000 or 2,247,600,000
Why couldnt he round them to 4,600,000,000 or 4,050,000,000 or 2,250,000,000. I find it weird that Oda, who never used the hundredth thousand digits, decided to use it on the highest bounties in the series. How do they calculate the bounties? I thought it was weird how Luffy went from 500 to 1.5 B after defeating a 800 and 1 Billion bounty pirate. That was too huge of a jump. Maybe 1.25 Billion would've been more appropiate.

Oda has been pushing Zoro as the future no. 1 of swordsmen for decades now.

Oda doesn't think as deeply as we do, about what constitutes a pure swordsman.

He will make EOS Zoro the strongest swordfighter in the verse, better than Big Mom, Shanks, Fujitora, Roger, EOS Law, Rocks, Imu, you name it.

Oda could have easily given BM an axe or Roger and Shanks a gun, but he didn't... for a reason.

Oda will never risk another sword wielding character being stronger than Zoro, because that would cast doubt on Zoro's title being real among the fandom, and harm his character and his story arc.

Chances are if Oda has given a character a sword, that means he intends them to be destined to be surpassed by Zoro.

Whis, we all know you're Nik, only you care so much about Zolo and swordsman. Chances are Oda didnt think there would someone putting this much thought about giving a character a sword would mean they would eventually be surprassed by Zolo. I dont think EOS Zolo will suprass Roger only Luffy would.