One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[goldb]

I think Oda will leave Roger's bounty as the highest until Luffy surprasses it. Dragon's bounty could be 3-5Billion, close to the Yonkos, but not over 5 Billion.

*Side note * Does it bother anyone else that Oda decided to give out bounties to the Yonkos random numbers for example: 4,611,100,000 or 4,048,900,000 or 2,247,600,000
Why couldnt he round them to 4,600,000,000 or 4,050,000,000 or 2,250,000,000. I find it weird that Oda, who never used the hundredth thousand digits, decided to use it on the highest bounties in the series. How do they calculate the bounties? I thought it was weird how Luffy went from 500 to 1.5 B after defeating a 800 and 1 Billion bounty pirate. That was too huge of a jump. Maybe 1.25 Billion would've been more appropiate.

You could be right but I'm inclined to believe that him being introduced as the World's Worst Criminal (ch440), indicates that he'd have the highest bounty. Especially when you consider how elusive he is to the World Government and the way in which he's trying to take them down; by empowering nations to rebel against them. Though currently Whitebeard and Roger's bounties are the highest we've seen, Brannew specifically stated they were the highest in pirating history(ch957), as eefrit previous wrote; so that leaves room for my previous statement to be true. I think it'll be a long time before this is confirmed though.

Regarding the bounties, sometimes I also do wonder how Oda decides on the numbers or he just randomly pulls jots something down. I remember looking this up last year when it initially came out but in this instance, the Yonko bounties seem to contain a pun based on the japanese wordplay goroawase; at least the original emperors and Roger.

• Shanks' bounty of 4,048,900,000: 4-8-9 can be read as shi-ya-ku (シヤク). This could refer to his given name "Shanks" (シャンクス Shankusu).
• Charlotte Linlin's bounty of 4,388,000,000: 8-8 can be reads as ha-ha. 母 (haha) means "mother", which could refer to her epithet, "Big Mom" (ビッグ・マム Biggu Mamu).
• Kaido's bounty of 4,611,100,000: 110 as a whole number is hyaku-jū. This is could refer to Kaido's epithet, "Kaido of the Beasts" (百獣のカイドウ Hyakujū no Kaidō).
• Edward Newgate's bounty of 5,046,000,000: 4-6 can be read as shi-ro. 白 (shiro) means "white", which could refer to his epithet, "Whitebeard" (白ひげ Shirohige, Viz: Whitebeard).
• Roger's bounty of 5,564,800,000: 6-4-8 can be read as ro-shi-ya (ロシヤ). This could refer to his given name "Roger" (ロジャー Rojā).

Taken from OPwikia, similarly touched on by Artur in his review.

 

[Silvers Horse]

You could be right but I'm inclined to believe that him being introduced as the World's Worst Criminal (ch440), indicates that he'd have the highest bounty. Especially when you consider how elusive he is to the World Government and the way in which he's trying to take them down; by empowering nations to rebel against them. Though currently Whitebeard and Roger's bounties are the highest we've seen, Brannew specifically stated they were the highest in pirating history(ch957), as eefrit previous wrote; so that leaves room for my previous statement to be true. I think it'll be a long time before this is confirmed though.

"Pirating history" could cover only pirate bounties and Dragon is not a pirate, meaning that Dragon could have a higher bounty than Roger.
Or "the Worlds Worst Criminal" could be a epithet of people who are not pirates, meaning that Dragon could have a lower bounty than Roger.

I lean towards Dragon being Yonkou strong and having a bounty around 3-5 billion like @albertwv

 

[Fox666]

You could be right but I'm inclined to believe that him being introduced as the World's Worst Criminal (ch440), indicates that he'd have the highest bounty. Especially when you consider how elusive he is to the World Government and the way in which he's trying to take them down; by empowering nations to rebel against them. Though currently Whitebeard and Roger's bounties are the highest we've seen, Brannew specifically stated they were the highest in pirating history(ch957), as eefrit previous wrote; so that leaves room for my previous statement to be true. I think it'll be a long time before this is confirmed though.

Regarding the bounties, sometimes I also do wonder how Oda decides on the numbers or he just randomly pulls jots something down. I remember looking this up last year when it initially came out but in this instance, the Yonko bounties seem to contain a pun based on the japanese wordplay goroawase; at least the original emperors and Roger.

• Shanks' bounty of 4,048,900,000: 4-8-9 can be read as shi-ya-ku (シヤク). This could refer to his given name "Shanks" (シャンクス Shankusu).
• Charlotte Linlin's bounty of 4,388,000,000: 8-8 can be reads as ha-ha. 母 (haha) means "mother", which could refer to her epithet, "Big Mom" (ビッグ・マム Biggu Mamu).
• Kaido's bounty of 4,611,100,000: 110 as a whole number is hyaku-jū. This is could refer to Kaido's epithet, "Kaido of the Beasts" (百獣のカイドウ Hyakujū no Kaidō).
• Edward Newgate's bounty of 5,046,000,000: 4-6 can be read as shi-ro. 白 (shiro) means "white", which could refer to his epithet, "Whitebeard" (白ひげ Shirohige, Viz: Whitebeard).
• Roger's bounty of 5,564,800,000: 6-4-8 can be read as ro-shi-ya (ロシヤ). This could refer to his given name "Roger" (ロジャー Rojā).

Taken from OPwikia, similarly touched on by Artur in his review.

In-universe, it means the Marines use some sort of method to determine a bounty, they don't just throw a random value.

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"Pirating history" could cover only pirate bounties and Dragon is not a pirate, meaning that Dragon could have a higher bounty than Roger.
Or "the Worlds Worst Criminal" could be a epithet of people who are not pirates, meaning that Dragon could have a lower bounty than Roger.

I lean towards Dragon being Yonkou strong and having a bounty around 3-5 billion like @albertwv

Early translations had it as "The Most Wanted Man in the World", so a lot of people picked on it and assumed Dragon had the #1 bounty.

I agree that "World's Worst Criminal" probably means he's the worst criminal among non-pirates.

 

[LadyVados]

What’s your all time top 10 ?

Mine personally-

1. Roger
2. Rocks
3. WB
4. Garp
5. Mihawk
6. Shanks
7. Sengoku
8. Rayleigh
9. Shiki
10. Kaido

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If I had to stretch it to a Top 30- (mostly guesswork)

11. Akainu
12. Big Mom
13. Aokiji
15. Kizaru
16. Blackbeard
17. Tsuru
18. Oden
19. Fujitora
20. Ben Beckmann
21. Green Bull
22. Momousagi
23. Tokikake
24. Scopper Gaban
25. Kuma
26. Boa Hancock
27. Marco
28. King
29. Lucky Roo
30. Luffy

Edit: On second thought Rocks members should probably take some of the lower spots on the list. But honestly we don’t know enough about them yet.

 

[goldb]

In-universe, it means the Marines use some sort of method to determine a bounty, they don't just throw a random value.

of course; that goes without saying....but his question was about Oda.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Judge Top 5

Smoker Top 30

Get wrecked noobs

 

[LadyVados]

Judge Top 5

Smoker Top 30

Get wrecked noobs

LMAO

Also I know it’s a banned topic but I honestly don’t even see Smoker in the top 100.

 

[Nie Li]

LMAO

Also I know it’s a banned topic but I honestly don’t even see Smoker in the top 100.

If you search the thread you'll see we had a LONG discussion on that.

Pirate Queen was trolling just now, she's not the one who supported that claim.

 

[LadyVados]

If you search the thread you'll see we had a LONG discussion on that.

Pirate Queen was trolling just now, she's not the one who supported that claim.

I know. I was just giving my view on Smoker.

 

[Fox666]

There's no point in bringing that subject.

Apparently it was about Smoker being a top 30 tier, and since there's no way to define what a tier is or not, is was just one of the most mindless discussions to befall this forum.

 

[Silvers Horse]

What’s your all time top 10 ?

Mine personally-

1. Roger
2. Rocks
3. WB
4. Garp
5. Mihawk
6. Shanks
7. Sengoku
8. Rayleigh
9. Shiki
10. Kaido

With some guessing included, my top most powerfull characters are:
1. Roger (prime)
2. Whitebeard (primebeard)
3. Garp (in his prime with his old dog hat <- WHY is he not wearing it anymore )
4. Kaido (strongest current living thing)
5. Dragon (he fled from BB bc most of his RA commanders were not at Baltigo at the time)
6. Mihawk (he doesn't have what it takes to gather and captain a top crew, but a powerhouse one v one)
7. Shanks (borderline even with Mihawk)
8. Big Mom (it would also take two current admirals to put her to jail imo, like Sengoku and Garp did with Shiki in their prime)
9. Shiki (basicly a yonkou of his time)
10. Akainu (even with oldbeard)

Others worth mentioning:
- Aokiji (stated even in strength with Akainu)
- Kizaru (could be even with Akainu and Aokiji)
- Rocks (he lost to a very young Garp and Roger before their prime and thus lost his top 10 placement)
- Rayleigh (a living legend acording to Garp, but never as strong as the yonkou is my guess)
- Sengoku (more of a strategic general than a true top 10 powerhouse in his prime is my guess)
- Blackbeard (rising in power. Will soon enter top 10 and EOS Bleackbeard is in top 4 with Luffy, Roger and WB is my guess)
- Marco is not far behind the admirals and thus close to top 10 and deffo in top 20
- Oden would be top 5 if he had lived on

Wild guesses I hope but don't really think is true:
- Prince of Giants is close to top 10

 

[M3J]

1. Whitebeard
1. Roger (if not 2)
3. Sengoku
3. Garp
5. Akainu (probably higher)

Unsure of the rest, other than Kaidou and Big Mom. We haven't seen what Shanks is capable of, but I'd rank him higher than Mihawk but possibly lower than Blackbeard due to Blackbeard's devil fruits. But then again Blackbeard's weakness is his arrogance, and he's been hit a lot of times.

 

[thedude]

While I don't doubt Dragon will be incredibly powerful, I'm not sure if he's Yonko level.

• Dragon is always hiding in some secret location, while the Yonko are not scared of the government and their location is well-known.
• The revolutionaries got screwed by the Blackbeard Pirates, and Baltigo was destroyed.

I think the revolutionary army is more dangerous to the WG, which is why Dragon "hides". They actively turn nations against the WG, whearas someone like BM or Kaido keeps to their sphere of influence (Wano, WCI). They are semi-contained, while Dragon seeks to upend everything little by little.

BB is a Yonko, so it's not a big deal that this caused Dragon to leave. From the looks of it, he and his army got off fine, no injuries, and the actual destruction was caused by both crews most likely. But once exposed, he had to leave.

That's my take anyway.

 

[King Moe]

Each time I see the next chapter, I keep being surprise on what I see with certain character. I have say it before and I will keep saying it again: Apoo Top 5 Supernovas!

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Killer
9. Zoro
10. Bege
11. Bonney.

Spoiler

Oda really pushing Apoo to be more capable than we all thought. To block both Zoro (getting more serious with Haki and named attacks) and Hybrid Drake attacks with one hand simultaneously and keeping on attacking and defending really shows Supernova Captains especially him are no joke. Like how Oda is pushing Supernova Captains to be something else individuality and all.

 

[LadyVados]

Each time I see the next chapter, I keep being surprise on what I see with certain character. I have say it before and I will keep saying it again: Apoo Top 5 Supernovas!

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Apoo
5. Urouge
6. Drake
7. Hawkins
8. Killer
9. Zoro
10. Bege
11. Bonney.

Spoiler

Oda really pushing Apoo to be more capable than we all thought. To block both Zoro (getting more serious with Haki and named attacks) and Hybrid Drake attacks with one hand simultaneously and keeping on attacking and defending really shows Supernova Captains especially him are no joke. Like how Oda is pushing Supernova Captains to be something else individuality and all.

This is the most insane post I have ever seen.

I’m not sure what the most amazing thing is. Is it out of pure sexism, putting Bonney on the bottom despite claiming how supernova captains are on another level in the very next chapter ? Is it the weird disrespect of Bege ? Is it putting Killer above Zoro ?

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Honestly Apoo blocking Drake and Zoro struck me as comedy more than anything else.

And honestly I know he is an important character and a fan favourite but based on feats Law shouldn’t really be one of the top supernova.

 

[King Moe]

This is the most insane post I have ever seen.

I’m not sure what the most amazing thing is. Is it out of pure sexism, putting Bonney on the bottom despite claiming how supernova captains are on another level in the very next chapter ? Is it the weird disrespect of Bege ? Is it putting Killer above Zoro ?

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Honestly Apoo blocking Drake and Zoro struck me as comedy more than anything else.

And honestly I know he is an important character and a fan favourite but based on feats Law shouldn’t really be one of the top supernova.

Not sexist. I am not only one who place Bonney low, but it's more so we haven't seen her in a fight to know how her power works. It's more absurd to push her high above without knowing what she is capable of as that is more biased than what manga shown to back on her.

Bege is more on defense and stalling, but his attack power isn't much especially cannons and bullets isn't much compare to what others can do who can get around that and his DF easily. Killer is a bit above given his nerfed state got better of Zoro, so he could be a bit stronger in his healthly and sane state after all, but do see more so them tying again or at least another High-Extreme Fight between them.

It's mixed of a bit of comedy, but it's more feat wise on him doing that against Zoro and Drake who are trying to hurt him and he is blocking them with ease back to back. That is quite a feat for Apoo and shouldn't underestimate him.

Law is being pushed to be one of Luffy's Major Pirate Rivals with Kidd to be like his Whitebeard/Shiki to his Roger, so Law is already above with that as well his DF is naturally OP and we are going to see him and Kidd on why they are known as WG Trio with Luffy as Oda always put them as top among WG members after all.

 

[LadyVados]

who can get around that and his DF easily.

Law is being pushed to be one of Luffy's Major Pirate Rivals with Kidd to be like his Whitebeard/Shiki to his Roger, so Law is already above with that as well his DF is naturally OP and we are going to see him and Kidd on why they are known as WG Trio with Luffy as Oda always put them as top among WG members after all.

If Big Mom can’t get around his DF easily, I don’t see any supernova doing it.

Law is a swordsman tho...

But again a lot of people put Rayleigh above Shiki so that’s sort of Ok I guess.

 

[King Moe]

If Big Mom can’t get around his DF easily, I don’t see any supernova doing it.

Law is a swordsman tho...

But again a lot of people put Rayleigh above Shiki so that’s sort of Ok I guess.

He is more than swordsman. He is trained in different fighting styles shown growing up with Doflamingo's crew. Not having his sword won't make him stop using his DF.

Ehh, Shiki is shown to be stronger than Rayleigh especially it state on canon that Garp and Sengoku even had trouble with him, so don't see that. Only certain characters are deep top tiers especially PK Tier being Roger, Whitebeard, Garp, Shiki, Sengoku. etc..

 

[LadyVados]

He is more than swordsman. He is trained in different fighting styles shown growing up with Doflamingo's crew. Not having his sword won't make him stop using his DF.

Ehh, Shiki is shown to be stronger than Rayleigh especially it state on canon that Garp and Sengoku even had trouble with him, so don't see that. Only certain characters are deep top tiers especially PK Tier being Roger, Whitebeard, Garp, Shiki, Sengoku. etc..

Most people consider Shiki half a shade below WB/Roger/Garp.

 

[King Moe]

Most people consider Shiki half a shade below WB/Roger/Garp.

Idk about that given he was shown it needed Garp and Sengoku to take him down, so Idk about them. If they mean by movie on him losing to Luffy, that doesn't make sense much and non-canon, but his background is still canon though.