I say that about King because he never puts out his flames. It's not that he ignites himself for combat like Sanji; flames are always coming out of his back, and we actually have not seen him use them in a fight so far, so they seem to be something unique to him and unrelated to Diable Jambe.
About your question: Zoro created fire on his sword to defeat Ryuuma back at Thriller Bark.
Not saying it completely same thing as of course his work in a different manner, but it just similar routes on how they both unlock creating fire for themselves.
Pretty sure that was aura and his body setting itself on fire than Zoro as he never use any fire moves before on many of his enemies. Even when Zoro strike him, it was more of a form of dragon than fiery move. Think that is misunderstanding on that given he never could make anything at scale of Luffy and Sanji in fire attacks.
Not saying it completely same thing as of course his work in a different manner, but it just similar routes on how they both unlock creating fire for themselves.
I still think it has nothing to do since the application so far is 100% different and there's nothingn suggesting that it's similar. We still know nothing about King, though, so who knows.
Pretty sure that was aura and his body setting itself on fire than Zoro as he never use any fire moves before on many of his enemies. Even when Zoro strike him, it was more of a form of dragon than fiery move. Think that is misunderstanding on that given he never could make anything at scale of Luffy and Sanji in fire attacks.
This is Zoro performing a fire attack, there's nothing subjective about it.
The attack is called "Flying Dragon: Fire Blaze", and the wound he inflicts sets itself on fire. It's an early example of the same kind of techniques Kin'emon is an expert of, and it's likely the same kind of fire technique Luffy learnt over the timeskip and Sanji focused on with his Diable Jambe.
I still think it has nothing to do since the application so far is 100% different and there's nothingn suggesting that it's similar. We still know nothing about King, though, so who knows.
This is Zoro performing a fire attack, there's nothing subjective about it.
The attack is called "Flying Dragon: Fire Blaze", and the wound he inflicts sets itself on fire. It's an early example of the same kind of techniques Kin'emon is an expert of, and it's likely the same kind of fire technique Luffy learnt over the timeskip and Sanji focused on with his Diable Jambe.
That why I said we have to see what his race about as we can't say it by fire from them or just he unlocks it similar to how Sanji unlocks his way of using fire. Nothing wrong if it is that too.
Doesn't make sense when he told Kinemon he is interested on learning to cut fire, but yet he can already do it. Don't think it same type of fire or is that as seem more of aura thing. Also why he didn't use fire attacks in major of his fights around since then. Would have been helpful in taking on Hawkins if he knew how to conjure fire, but instead he didn't use something like that.
Also thought we can't use Anime as evidence anymore? Change your mind?
That why I said we have to see what his race about as we can't say it by fire from them or just he unlocks it similar to how Sanji unlocks his way of using fire. Nothing wrong if it is that too.
Also got a question, do you guys think there is a connection to the flames of King to the flames of Sanji? Do you think they unlock similar style to conjure element power through natural means instead something else or more too it?
Sanji is only one to get King in the skies, he has to be him as Macro be busy helping against 2 Yonkos. Looking at fights for YC lvl and Yonkos it be teams, which I don't mind as we see Zoro also not ready to handle anyone on his own since Apoo was still active from one of his best attacks. Though they could do most damage on who they face on YC lvl opponents.
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Also got a question, do you guys think there is a connection to the flames of King to the flames of Sanji? Do you think they unlock similar style to conjure element power through natural means instead something else or more too it?
The current narrative is pointing towards Marco fighting King, Plus I don't think it makes sense for Sanji to fight King based on the context we have from Luffy vs Katakuri in Wholecake. especially when even Zoro hasn't done this(would be a odd move by Oda). I think Right now ironically theres 3 possibilities for Sanji..... a 1v1 Against Jack(which is the only justifiable way for Sanji to 1v1 a commander in Wano) Sanji and X Drake vs Queen(since X Drake is not participating in the Kaido fight and told Zoro to go up) and lastly Sanji saving Usopp from Page One and finishing the fight they started earlier in act 2.
We already know sanji's raid suit is insufficient to actually take out king. Even with it sanji was easily and instantly overpowered and is alive exclusively because the suit gave him enough of a clutch. For sanji to take out king... either he displays some innate powerup of some sort OR the raid suit is able to power up somehow. neither seems particularly likely tbh. Sanji will likely deal with headliners going forward and that will be it. Maybe if he gets backup he will have a nailbitter of a fight against a topo robi.
Not bashing, it's clear. I even see Sanji teaming up to defeat an YC lvl opponent just same I see Zoro the same given he had struggles with Apoo. Can't say he will solo YC at this point. Though they can have majority of impact in a team up fight against an YC lvl opponent.
Nah, if so it doesn't make sense why his DF can create fire. It something else and we don't know about his fire to beyond Sanji given the fact Sanji never got burn from him on his attacks. All I am saying if how King's unlock it was similar to how Sanji unlock his through natural means.
The current narrative is pointing towards Marco fighting King, Plus I don't think it makes sense for Sanji to fight King based on the context we have from Luffy vs Katakuri in Wholecake. especially when even Zoro hasn't done this(would be a odd move by Oda). I think Right now ironically theres 3 possibilities for Sanji..... a 1v1 Against Jack(which is the only justifiable way for Sanji to 1v1 a commander in Wano) Sanji and X Drake vs Queen(since X Drake is not participating in the Kaido fight and told Zoro to go up) and lastly Sanji saving Usopp from Page One and finishing the fight they started earlier in act 2.
Not that Macro can't take on King, but he is much needed to help out against 2 Yonkos above who the Supernova Captains are going to face. You can't tell me Luffy and them are enough to beat 2 Yonkos as Macro need to be there to help out too. Which is why Sanji vs King could happen for that. Also no reason for Jack or PO to be his opponents. He already defeated PO. Why repeat it again? Sanji already trusted Usopp and Nami to face him and Ulti, coming back to help won't mean much especially another enemy is a female. Doesn't make sense at all on that point for that situation. He going to face someone more his caliber which are YC lvl opponent. I can see maybe Queen, but King looks more viable given only few people can go in skies with him being Sanji or Macro, but Macro could be more needed on 2 Yonkos situation.
With this line of discussion, what is it that you're implying about Sanji in comparing him to King? That at some point he'll also have permanent flames on his legs?
We already know sanji's raid suit is insufficient to actually take out king. Even with it sanji was easily and instantly overpowered and is alive exclusively because the suit gave him enough of a clutch. For sanji to take out king... either he displays some innate powerup of some sort OR the raid suit is able to power up somehow. neither seems particularly likely tbh. Sanji will likely deal with headliners going forward and that will be it. Maybe if he gets backup he will have a nailbitter of a fight against a topo robi.
???? Uhh...King failed to even damage Sanji in the slightest in 2 of his attacks especially in Full Zoan one. How is RS insufficient when his goal was to pierce an hole into it especially through Sanji and instead Sanji came back fine and came back fighting normally. Sanji already shown he is capable of tanking even without RS and we see already he can one-shot Headliners and defeat T6H with ease whether Anime or Manga (Drake or PO), so why wouldn't he face an YC lvl opponent at this point? If he given push to be above these rankings, it make sense for him to go further. He getting an challenging fight and YC lvl opponent like King or Queen (More so on King) are the ones.
Now your just making up stuff if your even saying headliners are a problem for him when we saw chapters of him one-shotting them with Jimbei with ease. Your really undermining thinking Strawhats except Luffy won't reach to new stage of power like they always do in these arcs. You got open your mind more on the situation.
With this line of discussion, what is it that you're implying about Sanji in comparing him to King? That at some point he'll also have permanent flames on his legs?
How does King conjure his flames as is it similar, but different to how Sanji conjure his which both did it by their body instead of it being another power? Since it can't be King's DF given it doesn't make sense, it has to mean either he did it by body or his race depending on how things goes.
How does King conjure his flames as is it similar, but different to how Sanji conjure his which both did it by their body instead of it being another power? Since it can't be King's DF given it doesn't make sense, it has to mean either he did it by body or his race depending on how things goes.
Luffy's is Haki related from how he always does it and only for one move it seems while Kinemon looks to be elemental training with swordsmanship I think or he has a special sword that creates fire.
I think King and Sanji are ones through Haki and/or training perhaps or something in their system by bloodline, but have to see.
Not bashing, it's clear. I even see Sanji teaming up to defeat an YC lvl opponent just same I see Zoro the same given he had struggles with Apoo. Can't say he will solo YC at this point. Though they can have majority of impact in a team up fight against an YC lvl opponent.
Nah, if so it doesn't make sense why his DF can create fire. It something else and we don't know about his fire to beyond Sanji given the fact Sanji never got burn from him on his attacks. All I am saying if how King's unlock it was similar to how Sanji unlock his through natural means.
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Not that Macro can't take on King, but he is much needed to help out against 2 Yonkos above who the Supernova Captains are going to face. You can't tell me Luffy and them are enough to beat 2 Yonkos as Macro need to be there to help out too. Which is why Sanji vs King could happen for that. Also no reason for Jack or PO to be his opponents. He already defeated PO. Why repeat it again? Sanji already trusted Usopp and Nami to face him and Ulti, coming back to help won't mean much especially another enemy is a female. Doesn't make sense at all on that point for that situation. He going to face someone more his caliber which are YC lvl opponent. I can see maybe Queen, but King looks more viable given only few people can go in skies with him being Sanji or Macro, but Macro could be more needed on 2 Yonkos situation.
I mean Marco literally said "Look im not going right after Kaido at This Point". I don't think the Sanji vs King matchup is in Sanjis favor to the point where Oda can have Sanji defeat King on his own. As for Jack and Page One you have to consider a couple things, what if Oda decides Usopp and Nami aren't strong enough to take both Sanji has to bale them out?(its happened before.....), Also Sanji vs Jack is definitely a possibility And it makes sense. Jack is Kaido's 3rd commander, Sanji in Zou took out Sheepshead who was under Jack that could have been forshadowing, Historically Sanjis opponents are usually very weird/Goofy characters(Bon Clay, Absalom, Wanze....( or they get disrespected by their peers(Jabra). Only Jack,Queen and Page One fit these categories,King doesn't fit the criteria of a Sanji opponent.
Also Moe........ I'll have you know Sanji fighting and overcoming #2 guy has only occurred once with Kuroobi , But that whole situation is unique in of itself, because its implied Zoro could have done a whole lot more than he did had he not been injured in Arlong Park. Other times Sanji went up against the #2 He either Straight up Lost (Gin) or The he struggled and clash wasn't finished (Vergo)
I mean Marco literally said "Look im not going right after Kaido at This Point". I don't think the Sanji vs King matchup is in Sanjis favor to the point where Oda can have Sanji defeat King on his own. As for Jack and Page One you have to consider a couple things, what if Oda decides Usopp and Nami aren't strong enough to take both Sanji has to bale them out?(its happened before.....), Also Sanji vs Jack is definitely a possibility And it makes sense. Jack is Kaido's 3rd commander, Sanji in Zou took out Sheepshead who was under Jack that could have been forshadowing, Historically Sanjis opponents are usually very weird/Goofy characters(Bon Clay, Absalom, Wanze....( or they get disrespected by their peers(Jabra). Only Jack,Queen and Page One fit these categories,King doesn't fit the criteria of a Sanji opponent.
Also Moe........ I'll have you know Sanji fighting and overcoming #2 guy has only occurred once with Kuroobi , But that whole situation is unique in of itself, because its implied Zoro could have done a whole lot more than he did had he not been injured in Arlong Park. Other times Sanji went up against the #2 He either Straight up Lost (Gin) or The he struggled and clash wasn't finished (Vergo)
It is possible to happen especially King probably hold a grudge on Sanji for disrupting their plans and fight with Macro isn't really set as much to see. I used to think on Jack being there for Sanji, but at this point he isn't suitable especially with have Jimbei to face him in an underwater fight more against him and someone have to deal with King in the skies given he is only flier (Minus Luffy in G4) to face King. Not all the time Sanji face weird ones as everyone have their fairshare of facing enemies like that even Zoro himself face them as well. Page One is defeated conclusion as make no sense for rematch when he already beaten PO who never came back until now. It also undermine him trusting Usopp and Nami if he fight their own battles. They can't always be help by stronger Strawhats and must pull their own weight and plus no substance out of that when Ulti is there and already with Black Maria he can't fight a woman. He be needed something more important and give Usopp and Nami their own moments to fight overall.
Zoro haven't face the 2nd strongest in different arcs as well either though especially arcs you mention he actually face the opposite like Monet, Pica, and so on. Not always it follow the standards who face who each time and Oda can be unpredictable. If he knew Sanji can't be on with King, they wouldn't have clash and see him tanking King's attack with ease. It make sense to face off with him given stats while theme kinda match around that on why they face similar to others on their matchups.
Think your misunderstanding character on how Sanji works as it not always like you said especially who he go about facing are even 3rd strongest and have face enemies even stronger than Zoro enemies as well (Though to be honest King and Queen are shown more equals than anything than who stronger than who).
sanji doesn't tank king's attack "with ease". He was in distress and luffy was even worried when sanji got knocked over into a building. RS helped sanji to survive the attack but sanji was clearly outmatched in that brief clash.
Anyway, not saying it's impossible, but it seems unlikely for sanji to fight second strongest since that's zoro's job in big arcs like this (vs Mr.1, Kaku)
sanji doesn't tank king's attack "with ease". He was in distress and luffy was even worried when sanji got knocked over into a building. RS helped sanji to survive the attack but sanji was clearly outmatched in that brief clash.
Anyway, not saying it's impossible, but it seems unlikely for sanji to fight second strongest since that's zoro's job in big arcs like this (vs Mr.1, Kaku)
Nah, he was fine as he came out fine and came back fighting with enemies. He tank it with ease as if he was damage which he wasn't he would come back like he did at all. Sanji can take him as taking advantage while he was saving Momo isn't outmatched at all.
Well technically 2nd strongest is more Big Mom in this arc, so King is 3rd, but Zoro ain't beating an Yonko and will face Queen given tension increasing between them and those arcs aren't proof given in post-timeskip Zoro face not second strongest of an group as shown with Monet and Pica. Oda change who they face and it not always like that at all.
Nah, he was fine as he came out fine and came back fighting with enemies. He tank it with ease as if he was damage which he wasn't he would come back like he did at all. Sanji can take him as taking advantage while he was saving Momo isn't outmatched at all.
Well technically 2nd strongest is more Big Mom in this arc, so King is 3rd, but Zoro ain't beating an Yonko and will face Queen given tension increasing between them and those arcs aren't proof given in post-timeskip Zoro face not second strongest of an group as shown with Monet and Pica. Oda change who they face and it not always like that at all.
Well, as you said, zoro doesn't always face the 2nd strongest and big mom is technically the 2nd, then oda might give king for zoro fight. In fact, Sanji already got a matchup with black maria in chapter 998.
Would be interesting to see how sanji fights a strong fighter woman.
It is possible to happen especially King probably hold a grudge on Sanji for disrupting their plans and fight with Macro isn't really set as much to see. I used to think on Jack being there for Sanji, but at this point he isn't suitable especially with have Jimbei to face him in an underwater fight more against him and someone have to deal with King in the skies given he is only flier (Minus Luffy in G4) to face King. Not all the time Sanji face weird ones as everyone have their fairshare of facing enemies like that even Zoro himself face them as well. Page One is defeated conclusion as make no sense for rematch when he already beaten PO who never came back until now. It also undermine him trusting Usopp and Nami if he fight their own battles. They can't always be help by stronger Strawhats and must pull their own weight and plus no substance out of that when Ulti is there and already with Black Maria he can't fight a woman. He be needed something more important and give Usopp and Nami their own moments to fight overall.
Zoro haven't face the 2nd strongest in different arcs as well either though especially arcs you mention he actually face the opposite like Monet, Pica, and so on. Not always it follow the standards who face who each time and Oda can be unpredictable. If he knew Sanji can't be on with King, they wouldn't have clash and see him tanking King's attack with ease. It make sense to face off with him given stats while theme kinda match around that on why they face similar to others on their matchups.
Think your misunderstanding character on how Sanji works as it not always like you said especially who he go about facing are even 3rd strongest and have face enemies even stronger than Zoro enemies as well (Though to be honest King and Queen are shown more equals than anything than who stronger than who).
I agree it is a possibility, just don't make it an expectation. People often set unreasonably high expectations for characters and then get disappointed. I Just thought you should know theres A LOT of different routes Oda could take with the matchups. I think Oda will give Sanji a Commander especially since (Franky is up against Sasaki right now) but the chances of Sanji overcoming a Yonko Commander solo are very Slim. And the chances of it being King are even lower than that. I don't think any strawhat is gonna do anything on their own against the Commanders. Largely due to Luffys portrayal in Wholecake.
Well, as you said, zoro doesn't always face the 2nd strongest and big mom is technically the 2nd, then oda might give king for zoro fight. In fact, Sanji already got a matchup with black maria in chapter 998.
Would be interesting to see how sanji fights a strong fighter woman.
Nah, Zoro vs Queen as we need a flier to face King instead, but Queen vs Zoro can be interesting to see and Sanji and Zoro don't fight woman much, so Idk what you mean there.
I agree it is a possibility, just don't make it an expectation. People often set unreasonably high expectations for characters and then get disappointed. I Just thought you should know theres A LOT of different routes Oda could take with the matchups. I think Oda will give Sanji a Commander especially since (Franky is up against Sasaki right now) but the chances of Sanji overcoming a Yonko Commander solo are very Slim. And the chances of it being King are even lower than that. I don't think any strawhat is gonna do anything on their own against the Commanders. Largely due to Luffys portrayal in Wholecake.
More possible then what your stating about other choices especially we all know Sanji and Jimbei aren't at best T6H and are YC lvl power which is why they face YC lvl opponents later and switch with different characetrs. King is more reasonable one given them of Sky Fight since he is only flier in the crew while Jimbei get Jack given Underwater nature of their fight and Queen vs Zoro will be full-on land battle. Also not good wayt o compare as WCI was never about beating Big Mom and her whole crew while Wano arc is about that in beating Kaido and his crew. Those arc are not one of the same for that situation.
