Fantasy Zoro v Kaido

[King Moe]

Non of the Straw Hats are blind followers. They have personalities...Zoro was pissed of By Orochi with how he killed Yasuie & is running the country of Wano making the ppl suffer. He knows Kaido is the real shadow ruler & he wants piece.

No Zoro has not taken an attack from any Yonkou Lv character, but he has taken an attack from an Admiral and countered back, with the admiral referring to his strength to resist.

Zoro also is set up by the plot to damage & hurt Kaido much more than what the scabbards did. He was given Enma the only sword to hurt Kaido, it’s in his hands. & he has reached the top of Onigashima with the rest of the SuperNova’s that are up against Kaido & BM.

Zoro is going to play an important part in defeating Kiado. Oda had layed the ground work & now Zoro is present to do his thing as the 1st mate. & help Luffy take down an emperor.

Never say they were blind followers, but they share same feeling of freeing Wano, that isn't a Zoro thing, so you can't use that excuse on why he is there as it basically everyone's reasons especially Luffy is one wanting to free country the most from his talks.

Fujitora was playing with him. You thought that was his full strength? Please don't disrespect an Admiral going easy on someone when we all know Zoro would be crushed by gravity instantly if Fujitora wanted to use more power.

Zoro won't surpassed an former Roger and Whitebeard crewmate in one arc especially knowing Scabbards already give damage to same area, kinda nullify Zoro hurting him on his own if he take advantage striking a wounded part. Nothing special on that especially we seen even with Enma he struggle with the likes of Apoo and yet someone he be fine fighting 2 Yonkos just like that?

Nah, Zoro is not really push like that and only Luffy is brought to be major one to deal damage and defeat Kaido. We all know that especially Ace's flashback/backstory solidify how important it is for him over Zoro. He can have his spotlight, but able to fight an Yonko is kinda laughable after seeing his performance this arc. He can support, but not doing anything over Luffy or Supernova Captains on taking spotlight being the ones to defeat Kaido.

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The problem is that we didn't see his full power yet. There are things like Asura that we didn't see after the time skip. He took a slash from Mihawk pts what makes you think that his durability went down? It wouldn't make sense. And regarding him fainting I think Oda made it like that so we can see one of the multiple similarities that Oden and Zoro have. I'm pretty repeating myself but come on, he took like a champion Luffy's pain something that was stated "imposible" to survive and took a directly stab to the heart from Mihawk and a Slice thru the chest with Your. I'm not saying he is going to do a 1v1 and defeat him with ease while being intact from the fight. I see him getting some important damage from the fight. And of course that he won't kill Kaido while he is fresh.

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I think ppl ignore things like similarities and Oda building the plot in a very intelligent way and just think: "Well Luffy is the MC and he said he wants to defeat Kaido. It makes sense if he does kill him despite the fact that he doesn't have any way to do that."

Oda mention his full power was one with Pica and yet even that didn't stop him getting defeated and fainting in same arc. Asura seems to no exist anymore or no longer his full power given he never use it on moments with credible threat and still struggle taking out enemies he should have taken care of easily, but don't.

Oden got similarities to Luffy. Nothing about him and Zoro are similar except being swordsmen, but that's it. They are overall different character and narrative pushing Luffy is being his own 'Oden' especially have his own group leading the charge just like Oden did. Also again pre-timeskip feats aren't very effective if current performance doesn't support it anymore. Do you think Kamazouu strike then is greater then Mihawk's slash and Kuma's Pain Paw? Doesn't make sense at all and just that he gotten weaker on durability and stamina compare to how he used to be on those stats. Don't think it supply the same anymore after that fight.

Also Luffy can hit his insides, so he does have a way to kill someone, so Idk what you mean there.

 

[mattey245]

Never say they were blind followers, but they share same feeling of freeing Wano, that isn't a Zoro thing, so you can't use that excuse on why he is there as it basically everyone's reasons especially Luffy is one wanting to free country the most from his talks.

Fujitora was playing with him. You thought that was his full strength? Please don't disrespect an Admiral going easy on someone when we all know Zoro would be crushed by gravity instantly if Fujitora wanted to use more power.

Zoro won't surpassed an former Roger and Whitebeard crewmate in one arc especially knowing Scabbards already give damage to same area, kinda nullify Zoro hurting him on his own if he take advantage striking a wounded part. Nothing special on that especially we seen even with Enma he struggle with the likes of Apoo and yet someone he be fine fighting 2 Yonkos just like that?

Nah, Zoro is not really push like that and only Luffy is brought to be major one to deal damage and defeat Kaido. We all know that especially Ace's flashback/backstory solidify how important it is for him over Zoro. He can have his spotlight, but able to fight an Yonko is kinda laughable after seeing his performance this arc. He can support, but not doing anything over Luffy or Supernova Captains on taking spotlight being the ones to defeat Kaido.

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Oda mention his full power was one with Pica and yet even that didn't stop him getting defeated and fainting in same arc. Asura seems to no exist anymore or no longer his full power given he never use it on moments with credible threat and still struggle taking out enemies he should have taken care of easily, but don't.

Oden got similarities to Luffy. Nothing about him and Zoro are similar except being swordsmen, but that's it. They are overall different character and narrative pushing Luffy is being his own 'Oden' especially have his own group leading the charge just like Oden did. Also again pre-timeskip feats aren't very effective if current performance doesn't support it anymore. Do you think Kamazouu strike then is greater then Mihawk's slash and Kuma's Pain Paw? Doesn't make sense at all and just that he gotten weaker on durability and stamina compare to how he used to be on those stats. Don't think it supply the same anymore after that fight.

Also Luffy can hit his insides, so he does have a way to kill someone, so Idk what you mean there.

You just said the Oden and Zoro's similarities are only that they are a Swordsman wich clearly proves that you didn't even bother to look at the video Aofiji did to prove that point. So first, look at that video. And second, you are saying the Luffy is going to kill a Dragon by punching him? That's pretty much dumb knowing how hard his skin is and that the only scar he ever got was from a Sword that Zoro has. Zoro needs to do something in this arc. Oda is downplaying him a lot considering how strong he is. Just look at the video, even tho it's long it has some very good points that will open your eyes. Even myself, before that I didn't even think not even once about Zoro killing Kaido but the video shows some really good points that will humiliate the fact that you said "they are only Swordsman"

 

[King Moe]

You just said the Oden and Zoro's similarities are only that they are a Swordsman wich clearly proves that you didn't even bother to look at the video Aofiji did to prove that point. So first, look at that video. And second, you are saying the Luffy is going to kill a Dragon by punching him? That's pretty much dumb knowing how hard his skin is and that the only scar he ever got was from a Sword that Zoro has. Zoro needs to do something in this arc. Oda is downplaying him a lot considering how strong he is. Just look at the video, even tho it's long it has some very good points that will open your eyes. Even myself, before that I didn't even think not even once about Zoro killing Kaido but the video shows some really good points that will humiliate the fact that you said "they are only Swordsman"

Aofiji too fanboy biased to trust I trust only those with fair comparision and we seen that he is more Luffy then Zoro anyday even color coverpage was with Luffy, Roger, and Oden. Oda is comparing him to Luffy overall, not to Zoro and lol. Luffy got Adv. COA and won't be just punching him down only. Cutting Kaido isn't that effective on him either as he show that against the Scabbards and they are defeated. Zoro will get his spotlight, but not over his captian on taking his own major fight and doing most damage to defeat his opponent. It's too personal especially when Ace is shown to be involve on why Kaido has to be defeated by Luffy more.

If you want fair videos, your looking at wrong person to check on that format. Zoro not getting spotlight over Luffy in beating someone more push to him. It doesn't make sense on how Oda been pushing scene on Luffy's importance into beating him overall.

 

[XXGenesis]

Both Yonkou can go down in this fight. Oda has delivered when he was said Wano Arc was going to be crazy. All SN will fight Kaido.

Zoro said he wants Kaido’s Head...Like literally the man wants to chop off Magikarp’s head!

Zoro isn’t going to defeat Kaido alone.
Zoro doesn’t have to be the one to deal the K.O blow.
Zoro will reopen that Wound or a new 1 on Kaido with Enma.
& Zoro may just be the Mofo to Kill Kaido at the end of everything like screw this Shit, you have to die...Oda is leaning towards this.

 

[mattey245]

Aofiji too fanboy biased to trust I trust only those with fair comparision and we seen that he is more Luffy then Zoro anyday even color coverpage was with Luffy, Roger, and Oden. Oda is comparing him to Luffy overall, not to Zoro and lol. Luffy got Adv. COA and won't be just punching him down only. Cutting Kaido isn't that effective on him either as he show that against the Scabbards and they are defeated. Zoro will get his spotlight, but not over his captian on taking his own major fight and doing most damage to defeat his opponent. It's too personal especially when Ace is shown to be involve on why Kaido has to be defeated by Luffy more.

If you want fair videos, your looking at wrong person to check on that format. Zoro not getting spotlight over Luffy in beating someone more push to him. It doesn't make sense on how Oda been pushing scene on Luffy's importance into beating him overall.

Luffy has basically a fight guaranteed with either Blackbeard or Akainu. And he could probably be a fanboy but at least he stated several good facts that shows it. Unlike ppl that sees in the manga that x character says "I'm going to kill Kaido" and they believe it without any reason. Just watch the videos and think about the points he gives. I disagree with some of them and agree with some of them as well. But first of all you need to watch the points and the arguments to give. After that you can spend all the week to say counterarguments.

 

[King Moe]

Both Yonkou can go down in this fight. Oda has delivered when he was said Wano Arc was going to be crazy. All SN won’t fight Kaido.

Zoro said he wants Kaido’s Head...Like literally the man wants to chop off Magikarp’s head!

Zoro isn’t going to defeat Kaido alone.
Zoro doesn’t have to be the one to deal the K.O blow.
Zoro will reopen that Wound or a new 1 on Kaido with Enma.
& Zoro may just be the Mofo to Kill Kaido at the end of everything like screw this Shit, you have to die...Oda is leaning towards this.

Idk about Big Mom going down yet, but Kaido of course, but not by solo means especially majority is more on Luffy, not Zoro. What he can do now doesn't mean he can take on Kaido in solo fight especially we seen how he dealt with team ups many times.

Nah, Luffy said he wants Kaido's head, not Zoro. He does want to fight him, but the one to defeat Kaido is more on Luffy than Zoro.

Technically it's kinda reopen more due to what Scabbards, did so even if he attack Kaido, it's not really his feat, but mixture of taking advantage of someone else previous damage by Oden and Scabbards, so hard to scale it as him doing more than them or equal level when of course if you hit someone on same wound, it still hurt regardless.

Nah, Oda is leading Luffy overall to be one to defeat and beat him. Ace's flashback/backstory seal that too much to give spotlight to Zoro when Luffy is the MC and have to do this for showing being top of this generation and will of Ace, so can't see that being overshadow for Zoro when his side isn't hype much compare to Luffy's side.

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Luffy has basically a fight guaranteed with either Blackbeard or Akainu. And he could probably be a fanboy but at least he stated several good facts that shows it. Unlike ppl that sees in the manga that x character says "I'm going to kill Kaido" and they believe it without any reason. Just watch the videos and think about the points he gives. I disagree with some of them and agree with some of them as well. But first of all you need to watch the points and the arguments to give. After that you can spend all the week to say counterarguments.

No thanks, I don't I spoke with him before and it's more biased on his side on Zoro involve, can't trust someone like that. I got for more diverse fairness on users more. Though thanks for heads up, but my point still stands how I feel and just Luffy be more the one to defeat Kaido and put major damage, not Zoro as he can't overshadow MC on what he does and Oda knows that given how much he build on Luffy long before he say anything on Zoro being involved.

 

[mattey245]

Idk about Big Mom going down yet, but Kaido of course, but not by solo means especially majority is more on Luffy, not Zoro. What he can do now doesn't mean he can take on Kaido in solo fight especially we seen how he dealt with team ups many times.

Nah, Luffy said he wants Kaido's head, not Zoro. He does want to fight him, but the one to defeat Kaido is more on Luffy than Zoro.

Technically it's kinda reopen more due to what Scabbards, did so even if he attack Kaido, it's not really his feat, but mixture of taking advantage of someone else previous damage by Oden and Scabbards, so hard to scale it as him doing more than them or equal level when of course if you hit someone on same wound, it still hurt regardless.

Nah, Oda is leading Luffy overall to be one to defeat and beat him. Ace's flashback/backstory seal that too much to give spotlight to Zoro when Luffy is the MC and have to do this for showing being top of this generation and will of Ace, so can't see that being overshadow for Zoro when his side isn't hype much compare to Luffy's side.

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No thanks, I don't I spoke with him before and it's more biased on his side on Zoro involve, can't trust someone like that. I got for more diverse fairness on users more. Though thanks for heads up, but my point still stands how I feel and just Luffy be more the one to defeat Kaido and put major damage, not Zoro as he can't overshadow MC on what he does and Oda knows that given how much he build on Luffy long before he say anything on Zoro being involved.

Just for you to know, no one is saying that Zoro will do a 1v1 to Kaido. Even tho it might look cool that doesn't take out the fact that is stupid as fuck. I see it mostly as a gang bang with Zoro dealing the last strike while Kaido is weakened. And for Luffy I would see him fighting and defeating BM. I don't rlly think that Oda will keep her for more acts considering the fact that she was involved in plenty of them. Zoro will get the shine of killing Kaido but Luffy will get the Shine of fighting two Yonko's in the same day leading to the death of one and directly defeating the other one.

 

[King Moe]

Just for you to know, no one is saying that Zoro will do a 1v1 to Kaido. Even tho it might look cool that doesn't take out the fact that is stupid as fuck. I see it mostly as a gang bang with Zoro dealing the last strike while Kaido is weakened. And for Luffy I would see him fighting and defeating BM. I don't rlly think that Oda will keep her for more acts considering the fact that she was involved in plenty of them. Zoro will get the shine of killing Kaido but Luffy will get the Shine of fighting two Yonko's in the same day leading to the death of one and directly defeating the other one.

Again he can't do more damage then Luffy though and can't take away the feat if Scabbards reopen the wound for him to make it easier. He isn't going to kill Kaido let alone do more major damage than Supernova Captains especially Luffy who trained to be one to truly damage him on his side. Enma isn't enough if skill aren't on that level. Zoro hasn't shown anything to be able to surpass Oden just like that especially in one arc. There is a reason this is a team fight, so it be shown that they to be that way, but Luffy be the one to deliver the blow and more or less kill him given he wants Kaido's head to Momo.

 

[mattey245]

Again he can't do more damage then Luffy though and can't take away the feat if Scabbards reopen the wound for him to make it easier. He isn't going to kill Kaido let alone do more major damage than Supernova Captains especially Luffy who trained to be one to truly damage him on his side. Enma isn't enough if skill aren't on that level. Zoro hasn't shown anything to be able to surpass Oden just like that especially in one arc. There is a reason this is a team fight, so it be shown that they to be that way, but Luffy be the one to deliver the blow and more or less kill him given he wants Kaido's head to Momo.

He isn't the only one that promised that he will take Kaido's head. A lot of ppl wants his head and I still don't really see how is Luffy going to kill him. Yes he might do internal damage but considering that we are speaking about Kaido... And everyone knows Oda has been nerfing Zoro since the ts. Wano is the country of the samurai it's a moment where Zoro should definitely shine. Luffy could go after BM plus he still has either a fight with Akainu or with Blackbeard.

 

[King Moe]

He isn't the only one that promised that he will take Kaido's head. A lot of ppl wants his head and I still don't really see how is Luffy going to kill him. Yes he might do internal damage but considering that we are speaking about Kaido... And everyone knows Oda has been nerfing Zoro since the ts. Wano is the country of the samurai it's a moment where Zoro should definitely shine. Luffy could go after BM plus he still has either a fight with Akainu or with Blackbeard.

True, but Oda knows Luffy is MC and he will get most spotlight on taking down Kaido. Not saying others won't try to fight too, but it's clear he wants Luffy to be one to give him the most damage and defeat him, not Zoro to outshine him to do it as well doing something to Kaido on scale when he hasn't shown any capabilities especially in G4 type of power to even harm YCs, let alone Yonko. Not saying Zoro won't get his moment, but to say he can give damage that is even above Luffy's is overstepping it especially Yonkos are shown no joke and quite tanks. Also why would Luffy go after BM? He said he we wants Kaido more, not BM, he isn't going to change his mind on that and forcing somehow Zoro can face Kaido doesn't make sense at all and leave Luffy out of it.

 

[mattey245]

True, but Oda knows Luffy is MC and he will get most spotlight on taking down Kaido. Not saying others won't try to fight too, but it's clear he wants Luffy to be one to give him the most damage and defeat him, not Zoro to outshine him to do it as well doing something to Kaido on scale when he hasn't shown any capabilities especially in G4 type of power to even harm YCs, let alone Yonko. Not saying Zoro won't get his moment, but to say he can give damage that is even above Luffy's is overstepping it especially Yonkos are shown no joke and quite tanks. Also why would Luffy go after BM? He said he we wants Kaido more, not BM, he isn't going to change his mind on that and forcing somehow Zoro can face Kaido doesn't make sense at all and leave Luffy out of it.

As I said, this is going to be a gang bang towards Kaido. Defeating Kaido on a 1v1 would be dumb even for Luffy and of course Luffy is going to a lot of damage to Kaido but I don't see Luffy killing him. If Zoro does actually kill him he is going to do that when he is weakened not when he is fresh. And towards BM she is also a Yonko and everyone knows the they must take her down as soon as possible. And you are pretty much underestimating the training he had with Mihawk. Mihawk is a fucking beast and I'm sure he thought Zoro several things as well as some new techniques. I'm not saying he can 1v1 a Yonko, because not even Luffy is able to do so. But he could be able to dmg one and with a strong technique I see him killing one IF it is already weakened. For me, doing a scar or reopening the one that Oden did would be a little bit boring/repetitive and it wouldn't be enough to turn Enma into a black blade, something that not even Oden himself could achieve but that it is stated that Zoro could do it. Remember that the New Generation will always be stronger than the old one so it could make some sense if he does surpass Oden.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Haki dictates what you can cut or not to a high degree so you could still say that it depends on stronger Haki to cut Vergo.
On the other side, Law has never shown Hardening so...

Barrier to me is an obvious plot element, the one purpose is to be indestructible and that is all it does.
Law's fruit is far more dangerous so Oda has to put some limits on it, otherwise, Chop-Chop Kaido into pieces and dont worry.

common misconception, law can use hardening


hmmm there's no way luff doesn't fight kaido and not take him down, zoro will help alot

i wonder of sanji goes up to help against big mum and what becomes of the scabbards

 

[mattey245]

common misconception, law can use hardening


hmmm there's no way luff doesn't fight kaido and not take him down, zoro will help alot

i wonder of sanji goes up to help against big mum and what becomes of the scabbards

I said that I see it as a Gang bang. Everyone against Kaido with Luffy dealing a lot of damage and leaving him weak enough for Zoro to finish the job. And doesn't Sanji avoid hitting women?

 

[nik87]

law can use hardening

Never applied it on his sword.

 

[mattey245]

Never applied it on his sword.

If he can harden his skin he should be able to harden his sword as well. He isn't an amateur swordsman but he isn't at the same level as Zoro that's why I don't see him killing Kaido.

 

[King Moe]

If he can harden his skin he should be able to harden his sword as well. He isn't an amateur swordsman but he isn't at the same level as Zoro that's why I don't see him killing Kaido.

Law is above Zoro in many ways especially by Haki. He did apply it to is sword when facing Doffy. His powers give easier access then Zoro honestly. He take credit on beating Kaido along with Kidd and Luffy.

As I said, this is going to be a gang bang towards Kaido. Defeating Kaido on a 1v1 would be dumb even for Luffy and of course Luffy is going to a lot of damage to Kaido but I don't see Luffy killing him. If Zoro does actually kill him he is going to do that when he is weakened not when he is fresh. And towards BM she is also a Yonko and everyone knows the they must take her down as soon as possible. And you are pretty much underestimating the training he had with Mihawk. Mihawk is a fucking beast and I'm sure he thought Zoro several things as well as some new techniques. I'm not saying he can 1v1 a Yonko, because not even Luffy is able to do so. But he could be able to dmg one and with a strong technique I see him killing one IF it is already weakened. For me, doing a scar or reopening the one that Oden did would be a little bit boring/repetitive and it wouldn't be enough to turn Enma into a black blade, something that not even Oden himself could achieve but that it is stated that Zoro could do it. Remember that the New Generation will always be stronger than the old one so it could make some sense if he does surpass Oden.

Luffy will face him later in one on one and will kill him if Oda wish it. Zoro doesn't kill anyone to begin with either, so don't pretend he suddenly can. He isn't outshining Luffy who has more hype and build to Kaido and make sense to defeat him more.

Not underestimating anything, it's clear Mihawk isn't on level to fight a Yonko as shown on his performance in Marineford. Nothing supports this and doesn't give feat to Zoro attack someone like that in teams as well attacking same damage area someone did early. Plus he isn't making black blade this early and surpassing Oden in one arc. Doesn't make sense there especially powerful to take down 2 Yonkos like that either with Big Mom over there. Oden could male it black if he wants, but we saw the reasons why that didn't happened though. Doesn't mean he was incapable like your stating now.

Zoro will surpass certain old legends, but not all and won't be in one arc either. It takes time on that, not instantly. You got keep yourself on direction on how it goes, not by what you fantasy about.

 

[mattey245]

Law is above Zoro in many ways especially by Haki. He did apply it to is sword when facing Doffy. His powers give easier access then Zoro honestly. He take credit on beating Kaido along with Kidd and Luffy.


Luffy will face him later in one on one and will kill him if Oda wish it. Zoro doesn't kill anyone to begin with either, so don't pretend he suddenly can. He isn't outshining Luffy who has more hype and build to Kaido and make sense to defeat him more.

Not underestimating anything, it's clear Mihawk isn't on level to fight a Yonko as shown on his performance in Marineford. Nothing supports this and doesn't give feat to Zoro attack someone like that in teams as well attacking same damage area someone did early. Plus he isn't making black blade this early and surpassing Oden in one arc. Doesn't make sense there especially powerful to take down 2 Yonkos like that either with Big Mom over there. Oden could male it black if he wants, but we saw the reasons why that didn't happened though. Doesn't mean he was incapable like your stating now.

Zoro will surpass certain old legends, but not all and won't be in one arc either. It takes time on that, not instantly. You got keep yourself on direction on how it goes, not by what you fantasy about.

You pretty much killed yourself once you said that Zoro doesn't kill because he literally killed a person at the beginning of Wano. And law's Armament Haki isn't superior than Zoro's. Why would law take credit of defeating a Yonko when it isn't even his fight to begin with. So you just tripped. And for you it would make sense if he doesn't do anything important in the Wano country? Literally an arc based on samurais and swordsman. Sanji shined on The Cake Island. Why can't Zoro do the same? Being the MC doesn't automatically mean that you are going to do all the stuff on the anime, of course it is based on the MC but a good writer knows how to balance that kind of stuff. Only the time will show who was right. I still don't see Zoro killing Kaido like a 100% but it still has a slight chance of happening. And don't tell me that I'm a fanboy when I'm literally on team Sanji. And again, once you said that "Zoro doesn't kill" you just proved that you either don't pay attention or that you are very ignorant. I hope I don't sound rude.

 

[King Moe]

You pretty much killed yourself once you said that Zoro doesn't kill because he literally killed a person at the beginning of Wano. And law's Armament Haki isn't superior than Zoro's. Why would law take credit of defeating a Yonko when it isn't even his fight to begin with. So you just tripped. And for you it would make sense if he doesn't do anything important in the Wano country? Literally an arc based on samurais and swordsman. Sanji shined on The Cake Island. Why can't Zoro do the same? Being the MC doesn't automatically mean that you are going to do all the stuff on the anime, of course it is based on the MC but a good writer knows how to balance that kind of stuff. Only the time will show who was right. I still don't see Zoro killing Kaido like a 100% but it still has a slight chance of happening. And don't tell me that I'm a fanboy when I'm literally on team Sanji. And again, once you said that "Zoro doesn't kill" you just proved that you either don't pay attention or that you are very ignorant. I hope I don't sound rude.

Don't know if magistrate is truly 'gone' given fact sometimes Wano people can overboard on their imagination and even so it doesn't take away in a lot of his fights, he doesn't kill anyone even solo ones. He won't do same to Kaido if he couldn't do the same in his fights prior and it be more Luffy on his side to defeat him and bets him.

Nah, Law's Haki is above Zoro especially Zoro has trouble with Hawkins while Law was shown able to defeat himself on his side Law over Zoro been apparent since his debut and portrayal Oda pushed for him as one of Luffy Major Pirate Rival. He isn't stronger than him by far and not saying anything about Zoro can't shined as obviously he will, but not in aspect he overshined over Luffy as Sanji didn't shined over Luffy in his arc or at least in fighting stronger enemy than him, so make zero sense why Oda get it with Kaido after hyping it for a long time even to using Ace's involvement to make it personal for Luffy. It be bad taste if Zoro is one to do something and Luffy doesn't no matter how you want to push, but it doesn't fit narrative.

Zoro can get his shined another way, but he isn't going to defeat nor kill Kaido at all while that is more reserve on Luffy on him more. You acting like your a fanboy when you said Zoro will defeat Kaido or kill him over Luffy who deserve the most to take him out. If your not you should no that and I already admit on Zoro killing others, but he never kill his opponents for most part to believe that to be honest. Just the truth is all, not ignorance.

 

[mattey245]

Don't know if magistrate is truly 'gone' given fact sometimes Wano people can overboard on their imagination and even so it doesn't take away in a lot of his fights, he doesn't kill anyone even solo ones. He won't do same to Kaido if he couldn't do the same in his fights prior and it be more Luffy on his side to defeat him and bets him.

Nah, Law's Haki is above Zoro especially Zoro has trouble with Hawkins while Law was shown able to defeat himself on his side Law over Zoro been apparent since his debut and portrayal Oda pushed for him as one of Luffy Major Pirate Rival. He isn't stronger than him by far and not saying anything about Zoro can't shined as obviously he will, but not in aspect he overshined over Luffy as Sanji didn't shined over Luffy in his arc or at least in fighting stronger enemy than him, so make zero sense why Oda get it with Kaido after hyping it for a long time even to using Ace's involvement to make it personal for Luffy. It be bad taste if Zoro is one to do something and Luffy doesn't no matter how you want to push, but it doesn't fit narrative.

Zoro can get his shined another way, but he isn't going to defeat nor kill Kaido at all while that is more reserve on Luffy on him more. You acting like your a fanboy when you said Zoro will defeat Kaido or kill him over Luffy who deserve the most to take him out. If your not you should no that and I already admit on Zoro killing others, but he never kill his opponents for most part to believe that to be honest. Just the truth is all, not ignorance.

Again, you are saying that Zoro doesn't kill anyone when you clearly don't have any proof. We have seen Zoro killing several characters and the magistrate is gone since they did call Zoro his assassin. From the beginning of the series you could see him killing several pirates (that's the name "Pirate Hunter"). Even with the Celestial Dragon, he was about to kill him and everyone aknowledged his bloodlust. And I remember when Zoro fought against 30 ppl claiming that he used the back of his sword just to have Chopper saying that he still gave them fatal wounds. Literally from the beginning of the series you can see that Zoro doesn't hesitate to kill and let's don't forget that he is now very angry.

Zoro's speciality is the Armament Haki Law didn't show anything that puts him above Zoro. And the only one that is acting like a "fanboy" is you because you literally have a video 45 minutes long with solid arguments and proofs and you don't even want to watch it. The only thing you are giving as a proof is "Well, Luffy said he wants to kill Kaido" and "Luffy is the MC".

And for Hawkins there is a major problem, when Zoro actually fought Hawkins he was trying to escape from him with Luffy not to actually defeat him, just run.

Aofiji might sound a little bit fanboy but just watch the video. As I said, some of his points are very well made. If you keep saying that you won't because x or y reason... it's weird just to say the least. It's funny how you use two "very solid arguments" but when the other one has something that involves arguments that support someone's theory you are like "hell no". You are stuck in your own way of thinking and you don't even give a chance to the rest.

 

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Again, you are saying that Zoro doesn't kill anyone when you clearly don't have any proof. We have seen Zoro killing several characters and the magistrate is gone since they did call Zoro his assassin. From the beginning of the series you could see him killing several pirates (that's the name "Pirate Hunter"). Even with the Celestial Dragon, he was about to kill him and everyone aknowledged his bloodlust. And I remember when Zoro fought against 30 ppl claiming that he used the back of his sword just to have Chopper saying that he still gave them fatal wounds. Literally from the beginning of the series you can see that Zoro doesn't hesitate to kill and let's don't forget that he is now very angry.

Zoro's speciality is the Armament Haki Law didn't show anything that puts him above Zoro. And the only one that is acting like a "fanboy" is you because you literally have a video 45 minutes long with solid arguments and proofs and you don't even want to watch it. The only thing you are giving as a proof is "Well, Luffy said he wants to kill Kaido" and "Luffy is the MC".

And for Hawkins there is a major problem, when Zoro actually fought Hawkins he was trying to escape from him with Luffy not to actually defeat him, just run.

Aofiji might sound a little bit fanboy but just watch the video. As I said, some of his points are very well made. If you keep saying that you won't because x or y reason... it's weird just to say the least. It's funny how you use two "very solid arguments" but when the other one has something that involves arguments that support someone's theory you are like "hell no". You are stuck in your own way of thinking and you don't even give a chance to the rest.

Then why are enemies he faced in fights of each arc still alive? Don't ignore the truth on reality Zoro doesn't kill much at all. Also what does on fodder doesn't mean much if he can't kill stronger opponents than that each time.

Again not much proof when you look at his fights with enemies he should have kill, but didn't.

Law's Haki still above and of course more than Zoro given he shown to able offensively and defensively on people like Doffy and Hawkins who he beaten latter better which Zoro struggle with. He still choose to fight him and it went with him bloody up while Hawkins was just fine and he wasn't down to low lives with that nor his strongest attack was shown.

No thanks. I don't watch biased people. They bring toxic much when they wank too much on character when not much proof on that. I don't mind hearing others opinions and theories, just has to make sense is all, not the illogical stuff you and this Aofiji stuff your spouting. Just keep it to yourself on that guys' content please especially can't be use as proof here either.