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Wait, but weiner was caught sending sexual pics to a minor. The original scandal he was involved in was rather minor though. A case that actually continues to baffle me is the one with al franken. The guy takes a picture where it looks like he is groping someone (he was nowhere near touching someone) and then they start pursuing him from the left. It's in bad taste but this was entirely benign... In the US the left is definitely too quick to be at each other's throats. And the right wing definitely takes advantage of everyone being a crybaby that can't tell what things are worst than others.
No, there was more to it than just the picture. She accused him of forcefully kissing her during a skit as well. Then something like 7 more women came forth with similar allegations. It was far too much to just pass off as misunderstandings IMO.

The Left holding their own people accountable isn't the issue here, it's the Right rarely doing it.
 
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ait, but weiner was caught sending sexual pics to a minor. The original scandal he was involved in was rather minor though.
Yea, but sending pics to a minor has to be punishable for people running office right?
On Al Franken, he's the example i had in mind, very unfair in my opinion that he had to resign
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No, there was more to it than just the picture. She accused him of forcefully kissing her during a skit as well. Then something like 7 more women came forth with similar allegations. It was far too much to just pass off as misunderstandings IMO.

The Left holding their own people accountable isn't the issue here, it's the Right rarely doing it.
He insisted on a rehearsal as a joke, while she did the same on other skits herself. Sure, inappropriate to which he apologized too, but the left pushed for his resignation. The point is whether or not it warranted a resignation, but i guess it was the peak of #metoo, so maybe nothing else could've been done.

The right tried to condemn Trump's action but they are so hungry of power, they'll wag their tail for anyone who can get them there.
 

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He insisted on a rehearsal as a joke, while she did the same on other skits herself. Sure, inappropriate to which he apologized too, but the left pushed for his resignation. The point is whether or not it warranted a resignation, but i guess it was the peak of #metoo, so maybe nothing else could've been done.
The point is it wasn't an isolated incident, and he didn't really deny any of it. He just chalked it up to being touchy-feely with people. Touching strangers on the breasts or ass isn't just being touchy-feely. He had 9 known accusers.

I'm not really sure how Democratic leadership should have handled it honestly, but unlike some statements I don't think resignation was uncalled for really..
 

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The point is it wasn't an isolated incident, and he didn't really deny any of it. He just chalked it up to being touchy-feely with people. Touching strangers on the breasts or ass isn't just being touchy-feely. He had 9 known accusers.

I'm not really sure how Democratic leadership should have handled it honestly, but unlike some statements I don't think resignation was uncalled for really..
I wouldn't argue against the touchy. Its definitely inappropriate and wrong. I am not sure if it calls for a resignation but like i said, there is no other possibility since it was the peak of the metoo scandal. Anyways, when i am speaking about the left, its beyond politicians too. Like Kathy Griffin, Arnie Hammer, etc.... For the right, national anthem disrespect is the only thing i can think of///
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So you like Biden now?
 

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So you like Biden now?

Macron's approval rating in france is around 20%.

Imagine living in a world where Joe Biden's approval rating is 3x higher than Macron's.

I can only laugh.


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Again, you dont make sense.. So you would want to be in a country with poor approval rating than 20%?

If you are trying to be sarcastic, you are failing miserably.
 

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No, there was more to it than just the picture. She accused him of forcefully kissing her during a skit as well. Then something like 7 more women came forth with similar allegations. It was far too much to just pass off as misunderstandings IMO.

The Left holding their own people accountable isn't the issue here, it's the Right rarely doing it.
Ah, I didn't remember the other women. I recall the bulk of the focus being on that picture... Gonna read a bit on the story, because all I remember about this is thinking it was a massive overreaction.
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Macron's approval rating in france is around 20%.

Imagine living in a world where Joe Biden's approval rating is 3x higher than Macron's.

I can only laugh.


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What does one have to do with the other?
 

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If you are trying to be sarcastic, you are failing miserably.

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Nice to know.

What does one have to do with the other?
Are Joe Biden's policies similar or dissimilar to Macron's?

What if Biden followed every guideline Macron implemented and received a 3x higher approval rating.

Wouldn't that be supa cool bro.

Supa cool!


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Biden is essentially seen as Obama 3.0. Trump's horrible run and the pandemic helps a positive approval rating.

I still dont get the comparison to Macron. France doesnt have issues similar to the US
 

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Nice to know.



Are Joe Biden's policies similar or dissimilar to Macron's?

What if Biden followed every guideline Macron implemented and received a 3x higher approval rating.

Wouldn't that be supa cool bro.

Supa cool!


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I don't know if you know this, but France and USA are two different countries, and French people are different from American people.
 

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Are Joe Biden's policies similar or dissimilar to Macron's?

What if Biden followed every guideline Macron implemented and received a 3x higher approval rating.

Wouldn't that be supa cool bro.

Supa cool!


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mmnnn Why? What are you talking about?
 

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I wouldn't argue against the touchy. Its definitely inappropriate and wrong. I am not sure if it calls for a resignation but like i said, there is no other possibility since it was the peak of the metoo scandal. Anyways, when i am speaking about the left, its beyond politicians too. Like Kathy Griffin, Arnie Hammer, etc.... For the right, national anthem disrespect is the only thing i can think of///
I mean, Kathy Griffin is a comedian who constantly skirted the line. If she was a different person, I don't know if the Trump head thing would have affected her career in the same way. It's not the first time her career went into a tailspin because of her behavior though.

Armie Hammer seems to be a creepy weirdo that fetishized cannibalism and was also supposedly abusive. Whether it's post MeToo or not, I don't know how people expect that to be ignored.

I sort of agree that people in the Left are held to a different standard by their "peers", but I don't think that is necessarily a negative thing. The bar is way too low for others. The comparison says more about them than it does the Left IMO.
 
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Armie Hammer seems to be a creepy weirdo that fetishized cannibalism and was also supposedly abusive. Whether it's post MeToo or not, I don't know how people expect that to be ignored.

I sort of agree that people in the Left are held to a different standard by their "peers", but I don't think that is necessarily a negative thing. The bar is way too low for others. The comparison says more about them than it does the Left IMO.
All the things he did were consensual, the woman were OK with it, and after they broke up, they made it public. Sure, you he's creepy but doesnt mean he needs to get cancelled.
 

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One point about this whole cancelling thing... For companies it's about the reaction people have to them and their concern that its going to have on their financial performance. Gina didn't get cancelled because she had demonstrably moronic opinions, she got fired because disney folk thought she risked hurting their most important disney+ people magnet. Angry people on the internet don't fire people, scared executives do...

For context, fox news or james gun.. Fox news has fired a bunch of their top people but this was only done when sponsors started to drop them and they weren't worth the lawsuits. James gunn had a bunch of trolls after him trying to get him cancelled over 10 year old bad taste twits for which he had already apologized... And disney rehired him because they realized people didn't give a shit about this and they could make money of guardians of the galaxy 3.
 

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If Bernie were to get cancelled for being or saying bad things, why would anyone want to blame the right or left?
Conservative grifters would use it as an opportunity to steal voters from the Bernie Or Bust folks, claiming that "they" don't want "the people" to get what they want, and they'll cancel anyone that stands in the way of Big Tech or the status quo, and the only way to fight cancel culture is to join the right.
 

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Conservative grifters would use it as an opportunity to steal voters from the Bernie Or Bust folks, claiming that "they" don't want "the people" to get what they want, and they'll cancel anyone that stands in the way of Big Tech or the status quo, and the only way to fight cancel culture is to join the right.
Would probably work too because people don't realize that the right cancel people as well. Just look at Kaepernick and Kathy Griffin.
All the things he did were consensual, the woman were OK with it, and after they broke up, they made it public. Sure, you he's creepy but doesnt mean he needs to get cancelled.
The evidence show that they weren't entirely consensual, I believe? They weren't entirely okay with it either. Cannibalism isn't a good thing.
 

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All the things he did were consensual, the woman were OK with it, and after they broke up, they made it public. Sure, you he's creepy but doesnt mean he needs to get cancelled.
And it doesn't mean he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt either. The screenshots don't reflect well on him.
 

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Sad about the impeachment, thought he deserved it.

Don't understand some of the republicans in their alternate universe of cancel culture and making impeachment partisan. Then again, its mostly coming from the ones grasping at sraws to repeat another presidential run loss.

Wish Rubio had remained little Rubio, would have voted for him if he didn't become some Trump loyalist.
 

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The right like to think cancel culture is a thing when it's really all about accountability. Plus they've been so privileged that they don't know what accountability looks like. Republicans probably want to get Trump to run again in 2024 because he's probably their best chances of winning, especially if Biden keeps fumbling.
 
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