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Wind Turbines Help Power Alaska Through Harsh Winters

Posting this to pre emptively strike down "wind turbines don't function in cold climates" fake news nonsense.


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Wind turbines work fine, but... battery storage isn't so good. Also, the blades will ice up in the winter and the ice chunks can be hazardous. The ice chunks don't just fall straight down either. They can get flung all over since the blades are so high and wide...

Overall, I'd recommend them, just be careful with your layout. You don't want really big ones like this in a populated area.
 

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why not simply build a net to catch any loose chunks?
 

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The net would have to cover about 4 football fields. :XD
 

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So? It'd still protect animals
 

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Birds fly into the blades all the time. They'd probably get stuck in the net too.

It might be more useful to coat the blades in some kind of de-ice layer and maybe make the blades give off a sound effect like a hawk/falcon to keep the birds away if you are worried about them. Other animals... Mount them on your wall. :XD

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I meant animals (not just birds) being protected from the ice chunks, silly.
 

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The amount of people reveling in the situation going on in Texas is just mindboggling. Red state has an inept response to a historically bad winter storm knocking out power across the state, which could result in thousands dying... but now is definitely the time to sip tea and bring up climate change deniers, right? As if the entire state of Texas is made up of rich oil barons keeping their houses warm by throwing stacks of hundred dollar bills into the fire. This is the definition of liberal brainrot.
 

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seeing Fox News and Trump Staffers and other popular republicans say the power failures is cause of wind mills being bad in winter...

and I'm like, theres tons of norther states with windmills even here in PA lol
 
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I feel horrible for the people in TX, esp the homeless. Republicans are trying to keep brainwashing their people, while liberals are focused on "payback," but so many innocent people are being affected horribly by this. I hope they get out of this with minimal to no lives lost.
 

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Renewables depend on weather, and bad weather will affect them. That's a fact. Also, battery storage is not a feasible option, that's a fact. I am not gonna debate that.I have debated earlier how even environmentalists and animal conversationalists have discussed on the negative impact of wind and solar.

But it is also a fact that such wind plants have functioned properly in worser climates. Nobody expected a snowstorm in Texas. Texas has no dearth of space so renewables works perfectly for them. If they had coal or gas plants, the efficiency would've been much lower, and you'd still see the same electricity problems. Instead of blaming this on the green deal, the fact of the matter is there is a need for disaster preventness, or a better word for it. Its just silly to blame green new deal to this and say gas is important....

Also, nuclear power plants shut down, due to their safety measures, proving the reliability of nuclear in such times. I doubt coal or gas power plants would be able to scale up the production at the same efficiency as well.
 

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Renewables depend on weather, and bad weather will affect them. That's a fact. Also, battery storage is not a feasible option, that's a fact. I am not gonna debate that.I have debated earlier how even environmentalists and animal conversationalists have discussed on the negative impact of wind and solar.

But it is also a fact that such wind plants have functioned properly in worser climates. Nobody expected a snowstorm in Texas. Texas has no dearth of space so renewables works perfectly for them. If they had coal or gas plants, the efficiency would've been much lower, and you'd still see the same electricity problems. Instead of blaming this on the green deal, the fact of the matter is there is a need for disaster preventness, or a better word for it. Its just silly to blame green new deal to this and say gas is important....

Also, nuclear power plants shut down, due to their safety measures, proving the reliability of nuclear in such times. I doubt coal or gas power plants would be able to scale up the production at the same efficiency as well.
Non-republicans have said that if the TX government or electric companies actually spent money to winter-proof wind turbines, then this wouldn't have been an issue. Turbines in colder regions can handle it because they've been prepared for the cold, while that's not so in Texas. I don't know if it's true that the companies skimped on making their turbines cold-proof to save costs, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

And as you said, no one expected Texas to get a snowstorm OR be as cold as it has been, so that doesn't help matters either. The damage is great, and it really sucks because companies will probably charge people to get it fixed, even those that can't afford it, probably.

Reminds me of UK being unable to handle the heat because they're not used to temps going as high as it has been the past few years.
 

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It's absurd the GND could possibly have an effect on this... The GND never even had actionable policies, it was just a bunch of vague long term objectives where the actual policy to reach said objectives is still pretty much up in the air. Let alone the absurd idea that Texas, a republican controlled state, would have been implementing GND related stuff even if it existed... The fact is simple, texas was just not ready for weather this extreme.
 

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bad infrastructure and bad policies led to it,

will vastly downplay weather being an effect

because Texas neighboring states + any texas city or town not on the ERCOT grid are doing just fine.
 

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Rush Limbaugh died, and the world became a very tad bit better because of it.
 

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Non-republicans have said that if the TX government or electric companies actually spent money to winter-proof wind turbines, then this wouldn't have been an issue. Turbines in colder regions can handle it because they've been prepared for the cold, while that's not so in Texas. I don't know if it's true that the companies skimped on making their turbines cold-proof to save costs, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Yes, that is basically the problem while ignoring conveniently that gas or coal based plants are likely to have the same issue, Even if they can't they fail to explain how this low efficient sources are capable of scaling up power to support the energy requirement of the time.

Again, i dont think the electric companies investing on winter proof would've made sense back then, so i wouldn't blame them. Its Texas, who would've anticipated this. Renewable was already a hard sell and selling winter proof would have compounded that.


And as you said, no one expected Texas to get a snowstorm OR be as cold as it has been, so that doesn't help matters either. The damage is great, and it really sucks because companies will probably charge people to get it fixed, even those that can't afford it, probably.

Reminds me of UK being unable to handle the heat because they're not used to temps going as high as it has been the past few years.
Bad weather is going to be the norm in the future. The glacier burst in India was devastating, not only because of a village being lost, the glaciers are responsible for 60% or more of India's water resources which are otherwise considered perennial.

Like i said before, nuclear is the best option but to prepare for such occasions, one must plan ahead and call out for schedule cycling cuts to avoid such mishaps. PG&E do that when weather is bad to prevent bigger power cuts.

It's absurd the GND could possibly have an effect on this... The GND never even had actionable policies, it was just a bunch of vague long term objectives where the actual policy to reach said objectives is still pretty much up in the air. Let alone the absurd idea that Texas, a republican controlled state, would have been implementing GND related stuff even if it existed... The fact is simple, texas was just not ready for weather this extreme.
What do you mean by GND? Unfortunately even my google search results in electrical related search results due to my history search ...
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bad infrastructure and bad policies led to it,

will vastly downplay weather being an effect

because Texas neighboring states + any texas city or town not on the ERCOT grid are doing just fine.
Not completely true, Nebraska also had power cuts albeit not to the same drastic levels. They did rolling power cuts and managed it better, of course their challenges were also easier to handle.
 
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Thanks, completely agree with you. Anyways, it won't matter, Texas will still remain a large CO2 producer will look into fossil fuel based energy generation for their future projects. Fixing the turbines is easy so they won't go out of commission even if the governor speaks in that manner.

American policies are bad. Even when the drought was an issue in California, the democrats targeted almond producers, while continuing to give tax breaks for higher water consumption industries and letting the meat industry go without any restrictions. Its very important that climate and related issues are not seen as partisan and everyone works together.
 
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