One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[King Moe]

Not all strong characters must have CoC.

True, but those important to the story will have it especially given prowress of these characters and being 'D.' it's possible for them to have it especially with their actions they shown.

 

[bananamonkee]

Flame is deffs stronger imo
Monet very touch didn't ruin you the way ace and kuzan did
Ace showed way more firepower than monet
But I doubt it

Ace clashed with kuzan no issue when he tried it with akainu he instantly lost
Akainu also easily instantly melted a massive iceberg during the war

I think this is even the way kuzan loss to akainu happened , his fruit was just flat out stronger

that's fair.

In the sense of there being tiers within logias, this seemed how it would be.

it's weird that Oda brings in tiers on the logias but there's obviously errors and inconsistencies.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

that's fair.

In the sense of there being tiers within logias, this seemed how it would be.

it's weird that Oda brings in tiers on the logias but there's obviously errors and inconsistencies.

Agreed
Unless in a roundabout way this is an extreme way of crediting Kuzan , he might be superior in haki and martial arts but lost due to df superiority
However the events of punk hazard make the fruits look. Like equals unless Kuzan has some way of adding his haki to massive amounts of ice and even then that’s crazy taxing

 

[bananamonkee]

Agreed
Unless in a roundabout way this is an extreme way of crediting Kuzan , he might be superior in haki and martial arts but lost due to df superiority
However the events of punk hazard make the fruits look. Like equals unless Kuzan has some way of adding his haki to massive amounts of ice and even then that’s crazy taxing

I can agree to that.

in my head though when the whole tier concept came out for logias I tried pairing them up.

would you think that Borsalino's pika pika is superior to enels fruit?

 

[Hibari Kyoya]

would you think that Borsalino's pika pika is superior to enels fruit?

No. Until we know more about the Pika Pika no Mi I would give the following positives to each fruit, and my view is that Goro Goro no Mi is 'better'.

Pika Pika no Mi
1. Extremely fast (but has a 'charge time' and is only straight line movement).
2. Highly destructive with laser beams or 'light kicks'.
3. Sword/Weapon Creation

Goro Goro no Mi
1. Very Fast Movement (not quite as fast as Pika Pika no Mi, though it appears the activation time is less)
2. Highly destructive with the additional effect of electrocution of enemies on top of conventional damage.
3. Can merge with solid matter for hiding purposes and defense too I guess.
4. Electromagnetism on a basic level to either
i. Increase the heat of metal.
ii. Transform the shape of metals.
5. Restart your heart if it stops beating.
6. Seemingly increases the 'strength' of CoO Haki
7. Can attack people over great distances using No.6 + Fruit


EDIT, To put it a different way, do I think Enel would be 'stronger' or 'weaker' with Kizaru's fruit? I think he'd be weaker. Do I think Kizaru would be 'stronger' with Enel's fruit, I think he'd be stronger. I realise strength is subjective. But I mainly just mean, a more challenging opponent.

 

[bananamonkee]

No. Until we know more about the Pika Pika no Mi I would give the following positives to each fruit, and my view is that Goro Goro no Mi is 'better'.

Pika Pika no Mi
1. Extremely fast (but has a 'charge time' and is only straight line movement).
2. Highly destructive with laser beams or 'light kicks'.
3. Sword/Weapon Creation

Goro Goro no Mi
1. Very Fast Movement (not quite as fast as Pika Pika no Mi, though it appears the activation time is less)
2. Highly destructive with the additional effect of electrocution of enemies on top of conventional damage.
3. Can merge with solid matter for hiding purposes and defense too I guess.
4. Electromagnetism on a basic level to either
i. Increase the heat of metal.
ii. Transform the shape of metals.
5. Restart your heart if it stops beating.
6. Seemingly increases the 'strength' of CoO Haki
7. Can attack people over great distances using No.6 + Fruit


EDIT, To put it a different way, do I think Enel would be 'stronger' or 'weaker' with Kizaru's fruit? I think he'd be weaker. Do I think Kizaru would be 'stronger' with Enel's fruit, I think he'd be stronger. I realise strength is subjective. But I mainly just mean, a more challenging opponent.

so the beam weapon also generates explosions so you've missed out a key attribute here, I think in terms of tiers it's destructive power would outclass the goro goro, much the same way akainu outclassed Ace.

His sword generation show's that he's got the ability to take advantage of wave particle duality and create solid light constructs which seems to be far more useful than basic transfiguration like enels.

 

[Hibari Kyoya]

so the beam weapon also generates explosions so you've missed out a key attribute here

My "Highly destructive" was in reference to the explosions/decimating a portion of an island with his attacks so I didn't miss anything. Enel's El Thor I would argue is at a similar level of destruction if you look at him blowing up portions of islands (from far away).

I agree that Pika Pika no Mi seems like it could create more useful things compared to basic transfiguration. But that does not outway all the other advantages of the Goro Goro no Mi. I think the Goro Goro no Mi is one of the most over-powered fruits in canon.


EDIT, and then there is Raigo, his strongest attack.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

No. Until we know more about the Pika Pika no Mi I would give the following positives to each fruit, and my view is that Goro Goro no Mi is 'better'.

Pika Pika no Mi
1. Extremely fast (but has a 'charge time' and is only straight line movement).
2. Highly destructive with laser beams or 'light kicks'.
3. Sword/Weapon Creation

Goro Goro no Mi
1. Very Fast Movement (not quite as fast as Pika Pika no Mi, though it appears the activation time is less)
2. Highly destructive with the additional effect of electrocution of enemies on top of conventional damage.
3. Can merge with solid matter for hiding purposes and defense too I guess.
4. Electromagnetism on a basic level to either
i. Increase the heat of metal.
ii. Transform the shape of metals.
5. Restart your heart if it stops beating.
6. Seemingly increases the 'strength' of CoO Haki
7. Can attack people over great distances using No.6 + Fruit


EDIT, To put it a different way, do I think Enel would be 'stronger' or 'weaker' with Kizaru's fruit? I think he'd be weaker. Do I think Kizaru would be 'stronger' with Enel's fruit, I think he'd be stronger. I realise strength is subjective. But I mainly just mean, a more challenging opponent.

I don’t think they have a relationship of superiority or inferiority with those 2 fruits
I do think kizaru hasn’t gone all out
The benefits of the goro goro no mi are enhanced by enels top top tier mantra/observation haki
Kizaru hasn’t needed to flex his powers

 

[Fox666]

I don't think the Pika Pika no Mi and Goro Goro no Mi are one superior to another.

In terms of destructive power, I think the Pika Pika no Mi is far beyond:

I would argue it's also of the "highest offensive power" along with Akainu's fruit, or very close to it.

 

[King Moe]

Got another question. As it is clear we going to see more COC users as series goes especially even future arcs. I am curious on the Marine side. Who do you all think will have COC too? Starting with Aokiji, Akainu, and Kizaru. Do you think it is possible to them have it for each of them?

 

[XXGenesis]

I don't think the Pika Pika no Mi and Goro Goro no Mi are one superior to another.

In terms of destructive power, I think the Pika Pika no Mi is far beyond:

I would argue it's also of the "highest offensive power" along with Akainu's fruit, or very close to it.

I honestly can’t call it.
Both Fruits are Fricking strong asf & hard to counter without Haki.

light is faster than lighting. That much is a fact in our real world. & lasers/light doesn’t create explosions either lighting is much more destructive.

Even in One Piece these are the main differences I can see between the 2. But like Magma vs Fire...light may be superior to lighting....idk

A match like this would most likely be the same as Kuzan vs Akianu...It’ll come done to physical strength & Haki...not rlly DF

 

[Fox666]

I had say the opposite, Akainu is equal to Aokiji in terms of Haki or strength, but he won because of his ability.

 

[hokageji]

Do we know if they really won? Marines have a history of twisting facts...

 

[Nie Li]

Do we know if they really won? Marines have a history of twisting facts...

At the very least we can be sure that Aokiji lost some limbs and Akainu did not.

 

[hokageji]

At the very least we can be sure that Aokiji lost some limbs and Akainu did not.

Yea, i forgot about that. I didn't know that it was canon. Also, if awakening can cause permanent change in the environment, then by that logic, it could be self inflicted too... (tin foil theory)...

Akainu has scars in his body that dont look like frrostbites either..

 

[King Moe]

Yea, i forgot about that. I didn't know that it was canon. Also, if awakening can cause permanent change in the environment, then by that logic, it could be self inflicted too... (tin foil theory)...

Akainu has scars in his body that dont look like frrostbites either..

Pretty sure it was a back and forth fight if they fought for 10 days like that. Extreme-Diff with Akainu barely winning or could even be Aokiji choose to spare him and leave to start his mission with SWORD given he can't take FA while doing that. Would like to know more about that fight between them.

 

[Fox666]

Akainu has scars in his body that dont look like frrostbites either..

Aokiji has used his ability to create swords, spears, projectiles, etc...

 

[Nie Li]

I don't think we will ever see anything about that fight unless a different mangaka makes a spinoff on it.

For now we should consider Akainu won it since:
- That's what they claim.
- That's what the level of their respective injuries suggest.
- They were fighting (in theory) over the Fleet Admiral position.
- Akainu is the big bad of the story on the marines sides, as much as Kurohige is the big bad of the story on the pirates side, so I'd expect Akainu to be the strongest.

I like the theories about them just faking their battle so Aokiji can operate infiltrated among pirates, but I have a hard time believing Aokiji and Akainu could cooperate on that, as Akainu's justice is just too twisted.

 

[slavkovski]

I don't think we will ever see anything about that fight unless a different mangaka makes a spinoff on it.

For now we should consider Akainu won it since:
- That's what they claim.
- That's what the level of their respective injuries suggest.
- They were fighting (in theory) over the Fleet Admiral position.
- Akainu is the big bad of the story on the marines sides, as much as Kurohige is the big bad of the story on the pirates side, so I'd expect Akainu to be the strongest.

I like the theories about them just faking their battle so Aokiji can operate infiltrated among pirates, but I have a hard time believing Aokiji and Akainu could cooperate on that, as Akainu's justice is just too twisted.

Well.. For me it will be much more interesting if Akainu just playing bad cop good cop all this time and he is willing to be the bad cop

 

[Nie Li]

Well.. For me it will be much more interesting if Akainu just playing bad cop good cop all this time and he is willing to be the bad cop

For what purpose would he play bad cop? To the point of:

- Bombing the civilian ships they were ordered to evacuate from Ohara (disobeying his orders for that) to avoid any scholar running away.
- Killing any marines that tried to run away from the battle of Marineford. Akainu actually abandoned the battle to chase them down the streets and murder them before coming back to the fight.

I don't know what would be or wouldn't be more interesting, but for me he's been built up as an absolute villain to the story that's been corrupted by his own sense of justice.