Chapter Tower of God Chapter 485 Spoilers & Discussion

Kallavan will...

  • kill Lyborick and take his place

  • be killed by Lyborick

  • be killed by someone else

  • join Wolhaiksong

  • join FUG

  • None of the above will happen


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lemo

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So... how does SIU actuall draw tog? By hand, as in, with pencil and paper? I was of the understanding that most mangaka and whatnot used computers nowdays.
From the frequency of his problems, I think it's kind of a fundamental issue with his posture. I'll give an example as parallel with basketball. Sure, every pro knows how to jump high, but there are some who don't land correctly. They'll maybe plant their heel too hard as they come down or their knees will be bent sideways too much etc. This means that something normal that most players don't have injury from, becomes disastrous to few players. I would guess, it's something similar with drawing. SIU has had back and wrist problems. If he has some bad posture mistakes in either his back or how he holds the pen etc, it would lead to similar problems.
 

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This is exemplar non sequitur. How do you know zahard doesnt have any other means or any other God supporting him or how do you know just support of God can give one power of shinso and no other means can avail that or that other irregulars such as zahard cant do that point blank?
how do you know for sure that Zahard doesnt have anything similar to thorn ? Gustang had the thorn under his wing why is it impossible for them to come up with something equivalent to it ?

My point rely on what we were given , of course you can' say of course that there is no probability that he doesn't have a torn or a god . But if you are willing to go that far , i can return the questiion to you , how can we sure that each regular deosn't have a hidden god or item that can give them as much autority over shinsoo as a guardian , we can also say how can we be sure that regular can't go out of the power ? I mean it was neve stated that it was impossible rigth ?

I can ask the question that you gave me , to Adori , to leader of FUG rigth ? to anyone basically .

You see that if we go by you logic we can make no deduction .

So normally we make judgement according to what was given , irregular are singular being , if a mere equipment could give them more autority over shinsoo , a irreguar would do it naturally , they will not need a device .

As far as we know Zahard as no god supporting him , Gustang didn't use the torn .

and thinking that a device can bypass the autority of a guardian is uterly ridiculous , other tha torn who is basically a special item , creating something like that seems impossible , given that the best scientific in TOG best work was Hon saber wich is a SS class weapon , and it is still nowhere comparable to the torn .

If a device could allow people to surpass the autority of a guardian , do you realize what would that mean ? it would mean that Zahard force can strip shinsoo oof they ennemy and basically all they ennemy would be lamb , that is a ridiculous idea , if it was possible they would far more OP that they currently are .

You are making point that really are irrelevant , i am not the one making point based on nothing , because nothig show that what you suggest exist , it is you who have to proove that Zahard have those means because you are the one suggesting that he has not me .

It is like saying proove that there is no chance that god exist , no no you were the one make ridiculous assumption , are you ar yeah of course you are the one who need to proove it , because they are clearly no evidence that it exist . I can just say that there are no evidence that god exist . The same way i can say tha there is no evidence that there are means or god supporting Jahad .

The burden or proof is on you not on me dude .
 
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The blogpost in question wasn't broadly refering to the top 3 among Baam's party, it was more general. While undoubtly skilled, Khun and Rak weren't among the absolute top notch among the regulars of their class strengthwise, that wasn't about fame or notoriety among the crowd but SIU's omniscient point of view as au author. This alone showed the limits of their potential. If they climb the tower in a conventional way, it's not even sure they'd have become advanced Rankers after living for several thousands of years.
If you think about it mathematically, other than several exceptions. the top 4/5 of each class don't settle there for more than several years in the said class based on what we could see so far. If all of them were to become even Rankers, seeing how the empire has a history of several tens of thousands of years, then not even the 100.000 Rankers spots would be enough to fill this much top regulars. Especially when we add those who usually don't show themselves to the crowd (Akryung, Buelar Eliot, etc).
The thing is that being a top regular of a class is the bare minimum just to show a fodder Ranker potentiality.
Now, Khun and Rak certainly reached a whole another level after learning there shinsu qualities but they were like bottom-line Ranker in potential prior to that.


Training prior to becoming a regular is a good point but it was never such a tremendous advantage. Once the non 10 families start learning about shinsu, they have a rapid growth for a moment but after that their evolution becomes more stable. It's not like the Hatsus and Raks were growing at a faster rate than Rans and Novicks. Climbing the tower and exposing the body to the inner tower's dense shinsu has far more benefit than just starting at a higher degree.
Meanwhile the gap between Endorsi and Maschenny was like something impossible to fill. As I noted in an earlier post :
-Endorsi + Thorn Baam + Data Hansung were forced to combined their power to beat the statue of good and evil
-Endorsi + Baam were struggling against a champion villan for his high defensive ability.
-Endoris + Yu Hansung were running away against the giant solider due to a difference in power.
All these ennemies were nothing more than little jokes under the big breeders orders, implying that the weakest one of them Chung already stands on a whole another level compared to Endorsi.
Yet Asencio was fighting on par the bull big breeder (who is far stronger than Chung) who in turn got one shotted by "base" Maschenny without Redan before he knows what happening to him.
Frankly speaking, based on these facts, I'm not even sure whether a hundred Endorsis would be enough to stand a chance against Maschenny at the same point.
SIU also noted that Endorsi is "warm and human" among the princesses meanwhile Maschenny is one of the strongest. Overall, there isn't a single fact suggesting that Endorsi would come close to Mas' when she reaches her full power, it's actually the whole opposite and that's including the skill she learned from Yuri and her shinsu quality which she gained by climbing "alongside an irregular" in a non-conventional way.


All we know is that he became a top 200 in his prime.
If you want my opinion, I'd rather argue that he needed several thousands of years at least, most likely seveal tens of thousands to reach this level.
The only known non-irregular who became a HR almost immediatly after becoming a Ranker is Adori.
If you want more metrics, I think Yuri is a good character for that matter. We know her potential more or less, she is considered the most talented in the Ha family, implying that she may become either top 30 or 40 if she lives for several tens of thousands of years. Yet she needed a 100 years of growth to become a HR once becoming a Ranker, which was considered an incredible feat.
I agree in that being top of your class is probably the bare minimum to maybe evidence ranker like potential. But there is an important consideration to make here: Bam's class was beyond exceptional in most regards. It had a princess, a half princess, multiple people from the 10 families (aguero, laure...), some asshole with an ignition weapon, 2 irregulars, hatz and even fucking akryung.. Under more normal circumstances any of the big names in there would have easily been top of the class. Personally, I would argue the actual top of that class was basically akryung (because shenanigans), then androsi, then anak and then laure.

Add to that, the hidden floor arc added further context regarding aguero and rak... Aguero to begin with avoided fighting, which probably limited his strength, but we also learn the guy didn't even bother to train his shinsoo talent, in this case an spear. This is a series were talent is basically what makes or breaks a character, hard work be dammed... and aguero avoided his talent for a third of the way of his climb. He was already pretty strong (to the point where the point was made he injured one of the top five e class regulars back in the day) but even then he has more talent than anyone had given him credit for. Then you have rak... who was literally cursed by zahard to not be able to use his power. He lucked out against levi during the final station but even then he easily overpowered him. His real talent is an unknown quantity right now.

Mascheny has a few advantages over androsi (being from the 10 families and having being boosted by zahard) but I don't think the difference between them is necessarily unsurmountable. Though it will likely take hundreds or thousands of years to overcome. androsi was chosen to be a princess for her talent and by all appearances her shinsoo quality seems pretty damn unique. Pre shinsoo quality androsi certainly did not hold a candle to mascheny but post shinsoo quality I would argue it's at least a fight.
 

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I agree in that being top of your class is probably the bare minimum to maybe evidence ranker like potential. But there is an important consideration to make here: Bam's class was beyond exceptional in most regards. It had a princess, a half princess, multiple people from the 10 families (aguero, laure...), some asshole with an ignition weapon, 2 irregulars, hatz and even fucking akryung.. Under more normal circumstances any of the big names in there would have easily been top of the class. Personally, I would argue the actual top of that class was basically akryung (because shenanigans), then androsi, then anak and then laure.

Add to that, the hidden floor arc added further context regarding aguero and rak... Aguero to begin with avoided fighting, which probably limited his strength, but we also learn the guy didn't even bother to train his shinsoo talent, in this case an spear. This is a series were talent is basically what makes or breaks a character, hard work be dammed... and aguero avoided his talent for a third of the way of his climb. He was already pretty strong (to the point where the point was made he injured one of the top five e class regulars back in the day) but even then he has more talent than anyone had given him credit for. Then you have rak... who was literally cursed by zahard to not be able to use his power. He lucked out against levi during the final station but even then he easily overpowered him. His real talent is an unknown quantity right now.

Mascheny has a few advantages over androsi (being from the 10 families and having being boosted by zahard) but I don't think the difference between them is necessarily unsurmountable. Though it will likely take hundreds or thousands of years to overcome. androsi was chosen to be a princess for her talent and by all appearances her shinsoo quality seems pretty damn unique. Pre shinsoo quality androsi certainly did not hold a candle to mascheny but post shinsoo quality I would argue it's at least a fight.
SIU created a gap impossible to bridge between even the most talented regular and Rankers. He is probably trying to figure out how to overcome that in this arc since Ranker tier battles have started and he can't break his law. Won't discard regulars but can't make them enough either. I really doubt he would let Androssi fight Mascheny and not get easily curbstomped. If he did that it would be bad writting.

My solution to this was suggested long ago: let Bam use the Red Thryssa to grant power to his friends. SIU can't stall it further. Bam is out fighting Jahad squads, the time is now.
 

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My solution to this was suggested long ago: let Bam use the Red Thryssa to grant power to his friends. SIU can't stall it further. Bam is out fighting Jahad squads, the time is now.
Ignoring the fact that Baam doesn't really even have enough to properly handle himself now. Sharing his precious resources out to other people leaves him weaker when he absolutely has to be stronger.

He has the allies he needs. They're just not the ones that the crowd are stamping their feet and demanding SIU twist the narrative to fill those roles. Why does he need Rak and Hatsu when he has Evankhell and White?
 

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Hello guys. We are all aware that the main discussion of this thread is no longer about the chapter's content. I let it slide because of the hiatus but since SIU will not be back for at least 6 more months I can't let this go or this thread will become way too long. So I moved some of the recent posts to another thread. Please keep discussing in this one.~ Demonspeed
 

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you guys know a new chapter is dropping on sunday RIGHT?
It was coming back some months ago and it was postponed again, soI'm kinda skeptical... Source for confirmation?
 

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any spoiler for next chap yet?
 

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I see new spoiler threads made in this section for chapters 487, 488, 489.

If spoilers are released at the same time as previous we might have info in 4 hours at the earliest.
 

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I see new spoiler threads made in this section for chapters 487, 488, 489.

If spoilers are released at the same time as previous we might have info in 4 hours at the earliest.
90 and 91 too
 
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