Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[savethecat]

He died from aorthic dissection.

I’m aware of what he died from.

 

[James Rye]

After seeing how Ashihara got his neck fucked up to keep up with the weekly chapter, the fan book, the anime and the color pages and he needed two years of therapy before returning to a monthly release, which still demands a lot of him, I see no reason why other mangakas shouldn't look after their health to prevent burnout or even death. If some people complain about them "taking it easy", then I'd like to see them think up, write and draw an entire series over months. I bet most wouldn't be able to handle the first 4 weeks.

 

[Kushikime]

After seeing how Ashihara got his neck fucked up to keep up with the weekly chapter, the fan book, the anime and the color pages and he needed two years of therapy before returning to a monthly release, which still demands a lot of him, I see no reason why other mangakas shouldn't look after their health to prevent burnout or even death. If some people complain about them "taking it easy", then I'd like to see them think up, write and draw an entire series over months. I bet most wouldn't be able to handle the first 4 weeks.

Most people just don’t understand how hard it is to write manga in general. Then you add in the fact the mangaka has to do all these interviews and extra things because of the massive popularity now tied to the series. Deadlines are still there regardless of interviews etc.

On a tangent I kind of wish Jump had like 2 more series so every week 2 series get a break and you cycle through the magazine.

 

[SharkBait]

I don't know.

Neck, wrist, hand problems are not exclusive to manga authors though, its a common occupational problem for anyone that works in art, computers, or even the office setting. It can be solved if people adjust their posture and work ethics, I can only imagine that, just like in most places, there is little to no education or analysis of the work area to tell the person how to mitigate such problems (just see on Hashtag Artist twitter all the people always posting about tips to make sure you don't continue working through very blatant signs of pain)

Even then only the person knows they are in pain and people can actually be pretty stubborn even when people tell them to stop or slow down. ANd by the time people are in severe pain its just way too late.

 

[ItsSamu]

At the end of the day your own desire to read a manga every week is not as important as the health of author behind it.

Mangaka are not machines, they are creatives that can only put out the best they can under the already ridiculous weekly magazine schedules. After the passing of Kentaro Miura - and him commenting beforehand that he didn't know if he would be able to finish the series - you'd hope that people would take it more seriously, perhaps stop making memes about the hiatuses of authors with poor health, or complaining about the odd break. When you've got Togashi returning only to express his physical agony week after week in the TOC comments, or Kubo having to end his manga abruptly because of his declining health, or series like World Trigger or D. Gray-Man being unfeasible to continue in the magazine anymore due to the injuries or ill health of the authors, or when veterans who do stick around for multiple years inevitably end up reducing their pages per chapter to make the workload easier, there's clearly a problem. We should be wanting to get the best chapters out of these series, and if that means waiting until they're ready rather than forcing scribbles out of them then that's the fair cost.

 

[Thundercat27]

It would be enough not to make colors and covers .....

Imagine thinking random colours and covers are more important than mangaka health.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Throwing my hand into the ring, I think it be wise to adapt to Jump+'s release format for the brand. Summer Time Rendering, Jigokuraku, Spy x Family and Kaiju No.8 all use(d) frequant weekly breaks as part of its general schedule, and in the former two just released a new illustration or side-material to tide fans over. Doing that would be far more stable for the authors health IMO, and it's no like people can sustain themselves on a weekly system constantly anyway.

 

[SharkBait]

Throwing my hand into the ring, I think it be wise to adapt to Jump+'s release format for the brand. Summer Time Rendering, Jigokuraku, Spy x Family and Kaiju No.8 all use(d) frequant weekly breaks as part of its general schedule, and in the former two just released a new illustration or side-material to tide fans over. Doing that would be far more stable for the authors health IMO, and it's no like people can sustain themselves on a weekly system constantly anyway.

I don't think its a schedule thing, even bi-weekly/monthly writers have issues, see the number of incomplete BLue Exorcist chapters for example.

 

[galaxy-juice]

I don't think its a schedule thing, even bi-weekly/monthly writers have issues, see the number of incomplete BLue Exorcist chapters for example.

It isn't just a schedule thing, but the schedule definitely plays a part. Also, bi-weekly/monthly writers tend to have longer chapters, so it isn't a 1-to-1 comparison.

Imagine thinking random colours and covers are more important than mangaka health.

I think they're saying that not doing random colors and covers should mean they don't need any breaks, which may actually be worse.

 

[Franz]

Imagine thinking random colours and covers are more important than mangaka health.

Considering that on this thread until recently there were those who whimpered every time because "the big bad bad Jump and Nack the Hack" didn't want to give the anniversary cover to poor Akutami .....

 

[Rain Spectre]

Considering that on this thread until recently there were those who whimpered every time because "the big bad bad Jump and Nack the Hack" didn't want to give the anniversary cover to poor Akutami .....

That was before, I dunno, one of the most legendary mangaka in history died suddenly as a result of a condition believed to have been at least in part from the long-term ramifications of the mangaka lifestyle.

 

[animeexpert]

True, but Tabata and Horikoshi also eventually needed reduced chapters (17 pages to 12 pages) to keep up with the workload. I think some of Tabata's sketched pages were on those reduced chapters, too. I think if they were allowed to take more breaks then this might not have happened to them. It took Horikoshi months to work back up to his normal chapter length.

There may be authors that can keep up with this kind of schedule. But that doesn't mean that everyone should have to. When Gege, Tabata, or Horikoshi show signs of fatigue after years of drawing, that is not an excuse to point to authors who are not showing fatigue and say "they should be like that". It is better for everyone-- authors, readers, and the magazine as a whole-- if authors are well-rested, healthy, and working at their best.

After all, when popular authors like Gege or Horikoshi take "breaks", it's not like they have a week of rest. They have artbooks, interviews, anime, and countless other projects they have to consult for and work on. It isn't just colors and covers.

Imagine how more healthy it would be for anyone if chapters were once every 2 weeks. It's not only healthier but you can read many other series even outside jump to fill your time.

Like see this. Yeh it feels like ages but imagine the other manga/anime/light novels/movies you want always wanted to finish in the mean time. If people expanded their mind instead only couple mangas of 1 magazine, it would be so much better in general

 

[Franz]

That was before, I dunno, one of the most legendary mangaka in history died suddenly as a result of a condition believed to have been at least in part from the long-term ramifications of the mangaka lifestyle.

I wish it were so ....

 

[Thundercat27]

I wish it were so ....

Dumb semantic argument
Are you really going full "Ackchyually, there is that one tweet from that dead mangaka's assistant which told us that mangaka was not really dead from overwork" to justify not giving mangaka necessary breaks and keep overwork them huh?
Do you really.

 

[KagamiKuroko]

Dumb semantic argument
Are you really going full "Ackchyually, there is that one tweet from that dead mangaka's assistant which told us that mangaka was not really dead from overwork" to justify not giving mangaka necessary breaks and keep overwork them huh?
Do you really.

Well it applies in miuras case, he released less content in 31 years than furudate did in 9 years, the consistent breaks stuff applies more to weekly artists who don’t get breaks outside of magazine ones not someone who got to take breaks whenever he wanted and still unfortunately died

 

[Thundercat27]

he released less content in 31 years than furudate did in 9 years

another dumb argument
check the level of detail in Miura work before using muh page counts/content

 

[Xzone]

Dumb semantic argument
Are you really going full "Ackchyually, there is that one tweet from that dead mangaka's assistant which told us that mangaka was not really dead from overwork" to justify not giving mangaka necessary breaks and keep overwork them huh?
Do you really.

Is not a tweet, is that overwork is not a factor that led to an aorthic dissection.

 

[Thundercat27]

Is not a tweet, is that overwork is not a factor that led to an aorthic dissection.

Aortic dissection-Aortic dissection - Symptoms & causes - Mayo Clinic

This life-threatening condition occurs when blood leaks through a tear in the body's main artery (aorta). Know the symptoms and how it's treated.

www.mayoclinic.org

Aortic dissection is relatively uncommon. The condition most frequently occurs in men in their 60s and 70s. Symptoms of aortic dissection may mimic those of other diseases, often leading to delays in diagnosis. However, when an aortic dissection is detected early and treated promptly, the chance of survival greatly improves.

Miura passed away at 54. Yeah, sure, it is definitely not overwork.

Bonus

 

[KagamiKuroko]

another dumb argument
check the level of detail in Miura work before using muh page counts/content

The amount of detail he put in his work is his choice, the publisher didn't force him to do that. Akira Toriyama famously would keep shit simple to make life easier on himself and his assistant and he had way more expectations on his shoulder than Miura ever did so thats a Miura issue not an industry issue.

Secondly he got to take breaks WHENEVER he fucking wanted, at that point its not the overwork that cause him to die, its a combination of badluck and probably not exercising/eating correctly (WHICH is 100% on him) that caused him to die.

Also I never said mangaka don't deserve breaks but that was never an issue with Miura like you and RainSpectre tried to make it out to be

 

[Xzone]

Aortic dissection-Aortic dissection - Symptoms & causes - Mayo Clinic

This life-threatening condition occurs when blood leaks through a tear in the body's main artery (aorta). Know the symptoms and how it's treated.

www.mayoclinic.org

Miura passed away at 54. Yeah, sure, it is definitely not overwork.

Bonus

Wait, you are saying that because he die before 60s it should be 100% overwork even tough it isn't a factor for the illnes and his assistants even mentionet that he lived a healthy life. Humans doesn't works like maths holy shit.
But whatever you say, this is offtopic so let's end this and wait for this week chapter