Fantasy Mard Geer VS Ajeel

[Sinister Spirit]

Inconsistencies happen. However, you did say you remember Mashima directly apologizing for some things. I can't find those.

Oh I saw that over 2 years ago and I don't recall where. We can forget it if you want.

I do but I highly doubt MG would go for MM right away. By the time he wants to use it, I think he'll be done.

Yeah, good point. However it shouldn't take as long as with Natsu and Gray since Ajeel would quickly overwhelm Mard's usual techniques, making him get serious more quickly, but also triggering his main weakness: Mard would be too surprized to react! What I think would happen is that Mard would get so surprized that even in Etherious form, he'd barely fight back, then Ajeel would grab him and purposely prolong his pain to make him beg like with Erza... which would be a perfect opportunity to cast MM, then the final outcome is debatable.

Yea but in this case, it's a 1v1 and not a team battle.

Do you think if Natsu used that same attack against MG but this time after his 1 year training, he'd win?

Same goes for Ajeel. I'm willing to say Ajeel is faster than BASE Mard even without Sand World, but Etherious Form makes Mard faster and allows him to fly, that's what makes me uncertain when we purely compare PHYSICAL speed (magically-enhanced speed should be crippled by MM's fog).

With the same DF boost (which I'd consider twice stronger than Erza even with her element advantage), probably, but definitely not in his Base.

Base. I was referring to the roar Natsu used against Bluenote.

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Ok, I wasn't sure if he was in his Base or not for that, but I just verified and he indeed was. I'm not 100% sure it'd 1-shot Tenrou Gildarts, because while it 1-shotted Bluenote 8 years later, Bluenote doesn't have any defensive spell, while Gildarts does and can throw attacks to weaken spells since Crush has "anti magic" properties. But I don't deny it'd hurt him a lot, plus it'd 1-shot Base Hades since Hades didn't show strong defensive spells (though seeing how he's been studying magic for 100 years, I always wondered if he KNEW spells similar to Makarov's 3 Pillar Gods, but didn't WANT to use them due to his overconfidence in his heart's protection) but he'd get back up with his heart, and Base Mard should get hurt but still be able to fight, while Etherious Mard should tank it. This is all MY opinion, you have the right to disagree.

Really? Because Gildarts was on a separate tier than Bluenote who Hades hyped up. Only reason Bluenote did damage was because of Azuma. I believe Gildarts is in that tier and that Hades > MG.

I'd personally put Bluenote on the same tier as Laxus, who lost to Base Hades even though Amaterasu 100 was restricted due to the proximity of Hades' heart.
If Base Hades fought Gildarts the same way he fought Laxus, he'd lose, but if you look at how he fought Makarov, then I'd say he has a better chance since an A100 seems very dangerous even for Gildarts (though casting it would be complicated since Gildarts can Crush seals), though with the Devil Eye and Nemesis demons, he should keep Gildarts busy enough to cast an A100 without any interruption.
As for Mard, he has better defenses and speed than Hades, to the point even Gildarts would have difficulties hurting him, but the same goes for Mard's Thorns being easy to Crush, so the fight would be close and last VERY long if Mard stays in his Base, but his Etherious Form allowing him to cast MM should make the difference.

I do and great. Do you enjoy a certain story of his more than others?

I haven't read all of his stories yet, I JUST received a nice collection. I'd say my favorite so far is The Nameless City, but I'm only halfway done reading everything!

 

[Tirl]

And how could there be any dragons in the future BEFORE Future Rogue went in the past to bring them back?

Rogue didnt bring them in the first place. It was kingdom decision to come back in time and kill Zeref. They opened the gate, brought dragons, then Lucy came back and closed the gate, then Rogue came back from Acno future to kill Lucy.

Also

Future Rogue was from 7 years in the future, yet Rogue already outclassed (or at least rivaled with) him in Alvalez

This is ridiculous. Rogue was struggling against historia, while FR easily spriggan lvl

 

[Ramen]

Yeah, good point. However it shouldn't take as long as with Natsu and Gray since Ajeel would quickly overwhelm Mard's usual techniques, making him get serious more quickly, but also triggering his main weakness: Mard would be too surprized to react! What I think would happen is that Mard would get so surprized that even in Etherious form, he'd barely fight back, then Ajeel would grab him and purposely prolong his pain to make him beg like with Erza... which would be a perfect opportunity to cast MM, then the final outcome is debatable.

Can MG cast it when he's near death?

Same goes for Ajeel. I'm willing to say Ajeel is faster than BASE Mard even without Sand World, but Etherious Form makes Mard faster and allows him to fly, that's what makes me uncertain when we purely compare PHYSICAL speed (magically-enhanced speed should be crippled by MM's fog).

Also, Ajeel having a logia body makes it harder for MG to hit him.

Ok, I wasn't sure if he was in his Base or not for that, but I just verified and he indeed was. I'm not 100% sure it'd 1-shot Tenrou Gildarts, because while it 1-shotted Bluenote 8 years later, Bluenote doesn't have any defensive spell, while Gildarts does and can throw attacks to weaken spells since Crush has "anti magic" properties. But I don't deny it'd hurt him a lot, plus it'd 1-shot Base Hades since Hades didn't show strong defensive spells (though seeing how he's been studying magic for 100 years, I always wondered if he KNEW spells similar to Makarov's 3 Pillar Gods, but didn't WANT to use them due to his overconfidence in his heart's protection) but he'd get back up with his heart, and Base Mard should get hurt but still be able to fight, while Etherious Mard should tank it. This is all MY opinion, you have the right to disagree.

How would Bluenote vs MG go?

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This is ridiculous. Rogue was struggling against historia, while FR easily spriggan lvl

He lost to Pre-ts Natsu. No he wasn't.

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Also, @Sinister Spirit I doubt Tenrou Gildarts would be able to react in time considering Bluenote couldn't finish his sentence before he was hit.

 

[Tirl]

He lost to Pre-ts Natsu. No he wasn't.

Its a lie, he never lost to him. He dealt with Natsu with power up from Atlas flame, and Natsu couldnt do anything worthy to Rogue. The fight didnt end, Atlas used his claw to power up Natsu's attack and then they fell down on the gate. Thats all

 

[Ramen]

Its a lie, he never lost to him. He dealt with Natsu with power up from Atlas flame, and Natsu couldnt do anything worthy to Rogue. The fight didnt end, Atlas used his claw to power up Natsu's attack and then they fell down on the gate. Thats all

No where did he power it up. He gave a boost in speed. Any Spriggan is tanking that with ease lol.

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Can MG cast it when he's near death?


Also, Ajeel having a logia body makes it harder for MG to hit him.

Maybe, maybe not.


This seems more magical than natural, and MM's fog has "anti-magic" properties, so while I'm willing to believe Ajeel would still be able to move relatively well, I'm pretty sure his intangibility would get cancelled.

How would Bluenote vs MG go?

Avatar Bluenote? Well... Bluenote doesn't seem to have made much progress, but maybe the point was just to make Natsu impress us. I personally assume he reached Tenrou Gildarts' level, but even then, he almost feels like a weaker version of Mard: Both their strategies are about having a big AoE not very effective, a powerful "monotarget" attack, and a way of outspeeding most enemies, except Mard has more range, more durability, and MM seems more dangerous than Bluenote's Black Hole, the only thing where Bluenote might rival with him is using his Gravity to cripple his enemies VS Mard's great speed and Thorns distracting his enemies. Base Mard might be close, but Etherious Mard is superior.

 

[Seven777]

According to Mashima. Gajeel=Natsu

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

According to Mashima. Gajeel=Natsu

Indeed he is. Gajeel can beat FH Zerf with Savage Iron. Some people are just salty and don't want to believe that. We should believe that anything Natsu can do so can Gajeel.

 

[Ronin31]

Indeed he is. Gajeel can beat FH Zerf with Savage Iron. Some people are just salty and don't want to believe that. We should believe that anything Natsu can do so can Gajeel.

He can if he is able to amp his stats by his emotions in same ways. This is not Gajeel's case :

- We saw Natsu's amp when Future Rog wanted to kill Lucy and show up a power far above Gajeel's fight against a less Rog's amped by the Shadow.
- We saw the power Natsu raised when he was thinking that Lucy was dead and passed into END, destroying a powerful Spriggan such as Dimaria while her hax was useless to such powerhouse. In same way, we saw Gray's amp when he thought Jubia was dead, destroying Invel even without his DS mode, only used facing END to a mismatch.
- In same way, what did Gajeel when Natsu was about to punch Reby's pregnant belly ? He cried at him, no adrenaline to make him move to protect her and destroy Natsu.

This is why, I think, PoF is not equal for any characters : for me, Natsu, Erza and Gray have the strongest amp in this way. Others are incredibly strong such Gildarts, Laxus and Gajeel but with less amp drain by Emotions.

So yes, Gajeel is nearly Natsu's equal as same Mode : Base and Dual (ISD = LFD). Natsu still has FDK mode which is stronger and then Dragon Force to his climax. As we saw, he also get a amp to his Dragon force : Purgatory Dragon Force. So 3 modes above Gajeel's : Purgatory Dragon Force > Dragon Force > Fire Dragon King > Gajeel's threshold.

Natsu is potentially >>> Gajeel.

 

[Axiomus]

Hoo boi, we got savage iron. Considering savage flames is really only the product of bad translation....

Memes aside, DF Natsu did more damage against Aldoron than giant Gajeel did, and giant Gajeel is a combo between Gajeel and Brandish.

 

[Ratrace]

According to Mashima. Gajeel=Natsu

Difference is Natsu has more powers up than Gajeel

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He can if he is able to amp his stats by his emotions in same ways. This is not Gajeel's case :

- We saw Natsu's amp when Future Rog wanted to kill Lucy and show up a power far above Gajeel's fight against a less Rog's amped by the Shadow.
- We saw the power Natsu raised when he was thinking that Lucy was dead and passed into END, destroying a powerful Spriggan such as Dimaria while her hax was useless to such powerhouse. In same way, we saw Gray's amp when he thought Jubia was dead, destroying Invel even without his DS mode, only used facing END to a mismatch.
- In same way, what did Gajeel when Natsu was about to punch Reby's pregnant belly ? He cried at him, no adrenaline to make him move to protect her and destroy Natsu.

This is why, I think, PoF is not equal for any characters : for me, Natsu, Erza and Gray have the strongest amp in this way. Others are incredibly strong such Gildarts, Laxus and Gajeel but with less amp drain by Emotions.

So yes, Gajeel is nearly Natsu's equal as same Mode : Base and Dual (ISD = LFD). Natsu still has FDK mode which is stronger and then Dragon Force to his climax. As we saw, he also get a amp to his Dragon force : Purgatory Dragon Force. So 3 modes above Gajeel's : Purgatory Dragon Force > Dragon Force > Fire Dragon King > Gajeel's threshold.

Natsu is potentially >>> Gajeel.

I sometimes wander why Natsu got all these power ups but some of the other dragon slayers didn’t

 

[Vex_Haid]

Base mard geer slaughters him and slaps most spriggans (except for august,irene,dimaria,larcade) debate me on it

 

[Sevently]

ajeel stomps

 

[Vex_Haid]

ajeel stomps

Lol ajeel got ruined by elfman and lissanna. the combined forces of base LFDM natsu,sting,roughe and Devil slayer gray could not even beat base mard geer (again mard geer was holding back ALOT).

how does ajeel stand a chance here

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Mard geer erases him and the spriggans from existance

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Lol ajeel got ruined by elfman and lissanna. the combined forces of base LFDM natsu,sting,roughe and Devil slayer gray could not even beat base mard geer (again mard geer was holding back ALOT).

how does ajeel stand a chance here

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Mard geer erases him and the spriggans from existance

I'm pretty sure the Elfman and Lisanna VS Ajeel fight was just Mashima not knowing what to do (we hardly even SAW that fight, proving even the writer didn't know how they could win).
As for Mard Geer, he may have LOOKED calm and SAID he was barely trying, but even in Etherious Form and enraged, his attacks were barely different from when he was "holding back". And I know he impaled CSK, but that was a huge and slow target, using the same giant Thorns on humans would be like trying to impale flies by throwing javelins: You'd always miss, which is why Mard used weaker (but more accurate) Thorns against them.

But nonetheless, I do think Mard could beat Ajeel, mostly because Ajeel is even more arrogant than him: He loves showing up and getting into close combat, while his perfect strategy would be to hide in his Sand World and keep attacking from distance (which COULD beat Mard). And by getting so close, he'd get wide open for Memento Mori.

But I disagree with you thinking he could beat most Spriggans, Ajeel is only a low-tier Spriggan and I already think they're close.

 

[Ramen]

Any Spriggan dog walks Tartaros.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Any Spriggan dog walks Tartaros.

mard geer goes brrrr

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I'm pretty sure the Elfman and Lisanna VS Ajeel fight was just Mashima not knowing what to do (we hardly even SAW that fight, proving even the writer didn't know how they could win).
As for Mard Geer, he may have LOOKED calm and SAID he was barely trying, but even in Etherious Form and enraged, his attacks were barely different from when he was "holding back". And I know he impaled CSK, but that was a huge and slow target, using the same giant Thorns on humans would be like trying to impale flies by throwing javelins: You'd always miss, which is why Mard used weaker (but more accurate) Thorns against them.

But nonetheless, I do think Mard could beat Ajeel, mostly because Ajeel is even more arrogant than him: He loves showing up and getting into close combat, while his perfect strategy would be to hide in his Sand World and keep attacking from distance (which COULD beat Mard). And by getting so close, he'd get wide open for Memento Mori.

But I disagree with you thinking he could beat most Spriggans, Ajeel is only a low-tier Spriggan and I already think they're close.

Uh he actually can beat most spriggans tbh and the reason why his attacks did not do alot of damage in etherious was because Natsu and gray had plot on there side, you saw how badly he was toying with LFDM natsu,sting and rouge, he was doing it effortlessly as if they were nothing and i was joking about elfman and lisanna beating ajeel btws back on topic mard could have killed them whenever he desired because he could have just made thorns appear from the ground slicing threw there bodies. i cant see them beating mard at all of DS gray did not save them (again they had the advantage this time and mard still was holding back) infact base mard geer 1%>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all 9DG and silver>x791 DS gray (without dark mode) just shows the gap in strength between them and with all this i do believe that base mard geer can clap most spriggans and he kept up with the CSK again he had a book in his hands, i can argue universal CSK if he did create the celestial realm (which should be a universe) but that wont make sense so lets just ignore that for now anyways all this proves that base mard geer can beat most spriggans and in etherious form he erases them from existance

 

[Sinister Spirit]

Uh he actually can beat most spriggans tbh and the reason why his attacks did not do alot of damage in etherious was because Natsu and gray had plot on there side, you saw how badly he was toying with LFDM natsu,sting and rouge, he was doing it effortlessly as if they were nothing and i was joking about elfman and lisanna beating ajeel btws back on topic mard could have killed them whenever he desired because he could have just made thorns appear from the ground slicing threw there bodies. i cant see them beating mard at all of DS gray did not save them (again they had the advantage this time and mard still was holding back) infact base mard geer 1%>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all 9DG and silver>x791 DS gray (without dark mode) just shows the gap in strength between them and with all this i do believe that base mard geer can clap most spriggans and he kept up with the CSK again he had a book in his hands, i can argue universal CSK if he did create the celestial realm (which should be a universe) but that wont make sense so lets just ignore that for now anyways all this proves that base mard geer can beat most spriggans and in etherious form he erases them from existance

He indeed handled the Twin Dragons and LFD Natsu's attacks easily, proving he had a great defense, but the same could be said about them handling his attacks, MAYBE because he was indeed holding back, or maybe because he's mostly a tank (we can't trust his calm expression since even when ACNOLOGIA showed up (and before Igneel appeared to fight him), Mard still kept the same arrogant face despite facing imminent defeat). And he DID use Thorns against them but it didn't pierce them like CSK, it only caused minor damage. Then again, seeing how the very WIDTH of the Thorns he used against CSK was bigger than a human size, I doubt those same Thorns would be sharp enough to pierce a human.

I know we could call it plot armor, but I personally think there's a weakness in Mard's powers: In his centuries of existence, he only had CSK as a true rival, so it makes sense that his deadliest Thorn attacks are fit for such a huge target. He thinks humans are powerless insects and admitted himself that the Twin Dragons were stronger than any humans he ever faced (yet they aren't that strong), so it makes sense that he didn't bother developping strong attacks for such opponents, he thinks staying on defensive and slowly beating them down is all he needs, and if they prove stronger than expected, he has Memento Mori.

And I HIGHLY doubt 1% of Base Mard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9DG, or that CSK is universal (Just because he CREATED a realm doesn't mean he can DESTROY one, maybe creating the spirit world drained most of his power, or maybe getting out of his realm greatly cripples his power, we don't know... In fact we don't even know how big this realm is.)

 

[Ramen]

Ajeel one-shots the entire Balam Alliance.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Ajeel one-shots the entire Balam Alliance.

Mard geer still solos the spriggan 12, they have no counter to memento mori