One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[LaGOAT]

Never thought Marco was yonkou level but he does appear stronger than the average YC1 and at the weak side of admiral level imo or more around the space between a YC1 and pre timeskip admiral

Marco doesn’t have a destructive ability to keep up imo
He can defend and stall high tier folks
But I can’t see him being able to defeat the likes of akainu, kizaru , Kuzan or prime sengoku or garp
Remember just garp and sengoku were able to stall/tie Blackbeard pirates all by themselves ( if they had actively gone to the field for the war , it’d have been a proper wipeout for the whitebeard pirates and allies )

Which again is roughly around the age that oden and kaido squared off with kaido having a been pirate longer at 39 than tiger was at 39

Nah I think garp and sengoku prime is above admiral lvl and possibly Akainu I feel like he might be yonko lvl. So nah Marco can’t hang with with them to me Marco can stalemate an admiral lvl like fujitora kuzan kizaru maybe might beat them what I’m saying he on that tier at least now

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And I can say current luffy=Marco as for right now luffy is admiral lvl IMO with learn advance conquers haki if he beat kaido 1v1 then we know he officially yonko lvl from there on out

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Nah I think garp and sengoku prime is above admiral lvl and possibly Akainu I feel like he might be yonko lvl. So nah Marco can’t hang with with them to me Marco can stalemate an admiral lvl like fujitora kuzan kizaru maybe might beat them what I’m saying he on that tier at least now

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And I can say current luffy=Marco as for right now luffy is admiral lvl IMO with learn advance conquers haki if he beat kaido 1v1 then we know he officially yonko lvl from there on out

i don't get it, admirals are literally the strongest soldiers in the marines, their strength is the highest capacity in the biggest singular org in the show

kizaru did phenomenal against whitebeard ,
5/6 of the admiral class are some of the strongest characters ever in the show comfy
only 2 have somewhat questionable abiity against yonku(i think kizaru hangs well against em, but agree to disagree)
only fujitora for me kinda weakens the top , however he holds back a ton and is super considerate so we will see, still not lost any fight yet

 

[LaGOAT]

i don't get it, admirals are literally the strongest soldiers in the marines, their strength is the highest capacity in the biggest singular org in the show

kizaru did phenomenal against whitebeard ,
5/6 of the admiral class are some of the strongest characters ever in the show comfy
only 2 have somewhat questionable abiity against yonku(i think kizaru hangs well against em, but agree to disagree)
only fujitora for me kinda weakens the top , however he holds back a ton and is super considerate so we will see, still not lost any fight yet

IMO I believe fleet admiral>admiral i also think fleet admiral=yonko lvl.

don’t get me wrong admirals can hang with yonkos just like yonko commanders can hang with admirals but they will lose 1v1.

This is how I see it
PK lvl- imu (me just hyping) WB (prime) Rogers
Fleet admiral/yonko lvl- kong sengoku garp old WB kaido BM shanks akainu BB
Admiral lvl-kizaru fujitora kuzan luffy Marco Rayleigh (prime)
YC1 lvl-zoro katakuri king
YC2-3 lvl- sanji queen smoothie DD cracker

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

IMO I believe fleet admiral>admiral i also think fleet admiral=yonko lvl.

don’t get me wrong admirals can hang with yonkos just like yonko commanders can hang with admirals but they will lose 1v1.

This is how I see it
PK lvl- imu (me just hyping) WB (prime) Rogers
Fleet admiral/yonko lvl- kong sengoku garp old WB kaido BM shanks akainu BB
Admiral lvl-kizaru fujitora kuzan luffy Marco Rayleigh (prime)
YC1 lvl-zoro katakuri king
YC2-3 lvl- sanji queen smoothie DD cracker

Fleet admiral is based on intelligence and philosophy and leadership
Sengoku is a brilliant tactician it’s why he was made fleet admiral
It’s doesn’t necessarily boil down to being the
Strongest
It’s more about leadership and philosophy , what made it a clash of strength was 2 extremely poweful dudes with strongly differing philosophies duking it out

 

[HereNThere]

I'm really curious as to how the idea of the Admirals being weaker than Yonkou came about. I remember being on that train as well, but can't for the life of me remember why.

Oda has always made it clear that the Admirals and Yonkou are the top dogs on the sea without dropping any hints of one being inferior to the other, so it's weird how many people just gravitated to Yonkou being stronger.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I'm really curious as to how the idea of the Admirals being weaker than Yonkou came about. I remember being on that train as well, but can't for the life of me remember why.

Oda has always made it clear that the Admirals and Yonkou are the top dogs on the sea without dropping any hints of one being inferior to the other, so it's weird how many people just gravitated to Yonkou being stronger.

Akainu vs whitebeard during the war which for the life of me confused me cause akainu actually landed more deadly hits on whitebeard ( took half his face , blew a hole in his chest and melted his organs a bit )
To me akainu dished out the way worse damage than he took
And from other exchanges between the admirals , Kuzan vs whitebeard = draw , kizaru vs whitebeard = if anything kizaru came off the better I’m their fights

 

[M3J]

I'm really curious as to how the idea of the Admirals being weaker than Yonkou came about. I remember being on that train as well, but can't for the life of me remember why.

Oda has always made it clear that the Admirals and Yonkou are the top dogs on the sea without dropping any hints of one being inferior to the other, so it's weird how many people just gravitated to Yonkou being stronger.

No one was able to take down Whitebeard, while Akainu disappeared for a while after being hit by Whitebeard after killing Ace. Even though he was still standing and fighting and trying to kill Luffy.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

No one was able to take down Whitebeard, while Akainu disappeared for a while after being hit by Whitebeard after killing Ace. Even though he was still standing and fighting and trying to kill Luffy.

Alain fell down a whole and had to dig himself back up

And yeah whitebeard got him good but a) he snuck up on akainu b) still lost half his face in

akainu literally got up and pursued the Blackbeard pirates by himself immediately after the war and they ran scared as hell away from , the same crew that had just killed WB , didn’t mind duking it out with sengoku/garp and Blackbeard had received a bufff after getting the gura gura

Akainu was the protagonist of one piece , manga/journey would be over in a year - Eichora Oda

 

[HereNThere]

Akainu vs whitebeard during the war which for the life of me confused me cause akainu actually landed more deadly hits on whitebeard ( took half his face , blew a hole in his chest and melted his organs a bit )
To me akainu dished out the way worse damage than he took
And from other exchanges between the admirals , Kuzan vs whitebeard = draw , kizaru vs whitebeard = if anything kizaru came off the better I’m their fights

Exactly. WB never had an edge over them and they showed significant feats of casually hanging with him physically.

No one was able to take down Whitebeard, while Akainu disappeared for a while after being hit by Whitebeard after killing Ace. Even though he was still standing and fighting and trying to kill Luffy.

And that's wild because because they Kizaru and Aokiji were always interrupted before they could really go to town against WB.

As for Akainu, funny thing is, BB basically pulled a kill steal. WB probably wasn't going to come away from Akainu's last attack alive either way. Akainu dropped his guard and paid the price temporarily, but not before delivering what was surely a fatal blow. And, as you said, he came back ready for more.

Oda has basically been mentioning both groups in the same breath for a while now. Even having Luffy do so basically at the start of the raid.

 

[M3J]

Exactly, it's why it's wrong and annoying for members to think admirals are inferior to the Emperors. Makes no sense when none of the four were able to take the other out, and it took Blackbeard and his crew to do that.

 

[I Am Atomic]

People forget WB was shown to be superior to the admirals until he got a heart attack. Akainu used that opportunity to put a hole in him. From then onwards, WB was definitely weaker.

WB had to watch over the entire field plus fight. Admirals only had to fight. Sengoku was the tactician.

I do agree that Akainu did come out on top in that exchange. No doubt. But the stronger one was WB at the start of the war. We need to see a Yonko Vs Admiral fight for real imo. Oda definitely messed up that opportunity.

Take it as you will. This is how I understood the manga

 

[M3J]

And that's wild because because they Kizaru and Aokiji were always interrupted before they could really go to town against WB.

As for Akainu, funny thing is, BB basically pulled a kill steal. WB probably wasn't going to come away from Akainu's last attack alive either way. Akainu dropped his guard and paid the price temporarily, but not before delivering what was surely a fatal blow. And, as you said, he came back ready for more.

I think Whitebeard could have survived Akainu's headshot at a price, but Blackbeard finished it off. Whitebeard otherwise could have fought for much longer.

Yep, Akainu was way scarier than any Emperor so far in the war, and so far Kaidou's been able to withstand any damage while Big Mom has never been damaged.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

People forget WB was shown to be superior to the admirals until he got a heart attack. Akainu used that opportunity to put a hole in him. From then onwards, WB was definitely weaker.

WB had to watch over the entire field plus fight. Admirals only had to fight. Sengoku was the tactician.

I do agree that Akainu did come out on top in that exchange. No doubt. But the stronger one was WB at the start of the war. We need to see a Yonko Vs Admiral fight for real imo. Oda definitely messed up that opportunity.

Take it as you will. This is how I understood the manga

Where was he shown to be superior everything till then was a stalemate or their fights for interrupted

 

[I Am Atomic]

Where was he shown to be superior everything till then was a stalemate or their fights for interrupted

Like I said, my interpretation is that WB was the superior fighter.

And I also forgot that WB was injured when he first faced Akainu. However, Akainu still couldn't get the upper hand until WB got a heart attack. Still, took a fatal attack and fought the rest of the war. Akainu got one proper hit and he was out for a while. Imagine if WB went down for 5 mins? War would be over in 5 seconds.

WB only went down when he died. Clear superior one in my eyes.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Like I said, my interpretation is that WB was the superior fighter.

And I also forgot that WB was injured when he first faced Akainu. However, Akainu still couldn't get the upper hand until WB got a heart attack. Still, took a fatal attack and fought the rest of the war. Akainu got one proper hit and he was out for a while. Imagine if WB went down for 5 mins? War would be over in 5 seconds.

WB only went down when he died. Clear superior one in my eyes.

Akainu didn’t get one proper hit, he got blindsided and ambushed and got 2 bad hits

and no he was knocked out , he fell down a platform and lost his footing

And yeah you can have your own interpretation of a fight , but there’s literally no panel or anime scene where whitebeard had an advantage pre the hole in chest

literally aokiji and whitebeard had a fight that ended inconclusively with neither receiving damage

And kizaru didn’t fight whitebeard didn’t fight till after the hole and at that he sorta embarrassed whitebeard in their exchanges
and it’s not like the admirals weren’t also big targets , they might have the advantage of being logias , but even with that you might not even be able to hurt them

 

[LaGOAT]

we could say the same thing with Marco and Jozu when fighting an admiral (minus akainu) they were roughly equal until they were distracted but most of till believe admirals>YC. marineford war almost had every1 was fighting different ppl at the same time so we really didn’t get a clear 1v1. To me imo if marineford WB fought marineford akainu 1v1 WB wins. 2. It seems Marines needed the shichinukai to maintain the power structure of the world in case the yonko act up kinda like in marineford . In which I believe that yonkos>admirals don’t get me wrong admirals will give a yonko a run of their money but in the end I believe the yonko will come on top.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

we could say the same thing with Marco and Jozu when fighting an admiral (minus akainu) they were roughly equal until they were distracted but most of till believe admirals>YC. marineford war almost had every1 was fighting different ppl at the same time so we really didn’t get a clear 1v1. To me imo if marineford WB fought marineford akainu 1v1 WB wins. 2. It seems Marines needed the shichinukai to maintain the power structure of the world in case the yonko act up kinda like in marineford . In which I believe that yonkos>admirals don’t get me wrong admirals will give a yonko a run of their money but in the end I believe the yonko will come on top.

Ehhh Marco and jozu are a little different
Marco I’ll give credit
But jozu nah , jozu got a hit on aokiji when he wasn’t looking and drew small blood when aokiji was occupied with fighting whitebeard

once aokiji got to return the favor, he ends the fight much quicker

where during the marineford war did any of the admirals not 1 v 1 WB , they didn’t get assistance from outside when the matchup started , they all fought multiple dudes it was a free for all war

the shichibukai were pretty ineffectual tho and as we saw in marineford kinda did their own
We saw that as an org the marines are clearly stronger than one yonkou crew heck they could probably deal with 2 at once if it came to it , cause they managed to defeat the whitebeard + impel down reinforcements, while sengoku and garp contained the Blackbeard pirates themselves
They handily wiped out the whitebeard pirates and were probably gonna annihilate them if shanks didn’t step in
It was a very one sided war

A full strength whitebeard crew ( with ace thatch and a healthy wb) would have been a tougher fight

as it stands now I can’t any yonkou crew doing well either at marineford , the admirals would bum rush anyone not the yonkou , and if garp and sengoku got serious , quick curtains

 

[Franckie]

IMO I believe fleet admiral>admiral i also think fleet admiral=yonko lvl.

don’t get me wrong admirals can hang with yonkos just like yonko commanders can hang with admirals but they will lose 1v1.

This is how I see it
PK lvl- imu (me just hyping) WB (prime) Rogers
Fleet admiral/yonko lvl- kong sengoku garp old WB kaido BM shanks akainu BB
Admiral lvl-kizaru fujitora kuzan luffy Marco Rayleigh (prime)
YC1 lvl-zoro katakuri king
YC2-3 lvl- sanji queen smoothie DD cracker

The Admirals are stated to be the strongest Marines.

I'm really curious as to how the idea of the Admirals being weaker than Yonkou came about. I remember being on that train as well, but can't for the life of me remember why.

Oda has always made it clear that the Admirals and Yonkou are the top dogs on the sea without dropping any hints of one being inferior to the other, so it's weird how many people just gravitated to Yonkou being stronger.

Yonkou have better hype than the Admirals. Kaidou, for example, is known as the "world's strongest creature" and will supposedly win any 1on1 fight, whether it be land, sea, or air.

 

[Nie Li]

The Admirals are stated to be the strongest Marines.

Wait, what do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that admirals are stronger than fleet admirals?

 

[Franckie]

Wait, what do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that admirals are stronger than fleet admirals?

The chain-of-command is not based on strength. The Celestial Dragons are not stronger than the Admirals despite having authority over them. Admirals are the strongest fighters MHQ offers. If you want to be more technical, the Admirals are "the strongest military force of the Marines".