One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Dabanagaga]

So if Perospero who already has a higher bounty than former commander Snack, is supposed to be comparable to Jack, does that just make him close to Cracker or does it bump up Big Mom's top three eg Cracker = Queen instead of Jack and so on? This could balance the crews if Yamato is supposed to be above Katakuri and King even though she didn't join her dad's crew as planned.

Where does Compote stand? She was portrayed as similar to Perospero as she's the oldest daughter and 2nd child AND one of Big Mom's prominent 'monsters'.

Seeing Pero being as cunning as he is, I'd say he didn't take the position for unessesery attention
Strenght wise, he ought to be around top tier in the crew

 

[albertwv]

I think Perospero only got the advantage over Neko because Neko was injured and not fully recovered from fighting Kaido. I just dont see Perospero being that powerful to match up Jack. Disappointing fights either way.
jack vs Dog was wack, extra wack.
this whole Onigashima raid has been a huge disappointment in battles. Oda has been lazy in writing a good story, he used to do so well but now it's wack. The drawing/art, the pace, the plot.

Good things dont last forever.

 

[XXGenesis]

So if Perospero who already has a higher bounty than former commander Snack, is supposed to be comparable to Jack, does that just make him close to Cracker or does it bump up Big Mom's top three eg Cracker = Queen instead of Jack and so on? This could balance the crews if Yamato is supposed to be above Katakuri and King even though she didn't join her dad's crew as planned.

Where does Compote stand? She was portrayed as similar to Perospero as she's the oldest daughter and 2nd child AND one of Big Mom's prominent 'monsters'.

I always say Jack as more = Cracker
Cracker is a glass Cannon/ But high Defensive abilities.

Perospero isn’t stronger than Cracker IMO
Compote shouldn’t be either.

They are probably closer to Snack.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

An aside it’s been funny to see Yamato is too strong to join the crew calls get louder and louder ever since it became increasingly more evident that they’re likely more poweful than Zoro ( I think it was clear quite early on that they were stronger than sanji )
And honestly I maintain that Yamato

I think Perospero only got the advantage over Neko because Neko was injured and not fully recovered from fighting Kaido. I just dont see Perospero being that powerful to match up Jack. Disappointing fights either way.
jack vs Dog was wack, extra wack.
this whole Onigashima raid has been a huge disappointment in battles. Oda has been lazy in writing a good story, he used to do so well but now it's wack. The drawing/art, the pace, the plot.

Good things dont last forever.

I agree perospero was getting pressured by just suulong carrot and Wanda , jack defeated dozens of Suulong minks who were at their level or stronger
I think cracker is way stronger than perospero
Luffy broke through his toughest defense with just hawk fist , but cracker was a legit challenge for luffy

I would very much like that, but knowing Oda, it wont happen.
Oda doesn't add that type of suspension.
I would prefer that the Samurai alliance to lose to the Beasts Pirates. The Yonko crew have been hyped up to the max, look it took 100,000 elite marines and admirals to defeat the WB pirates. Oda portrayed the Yonko to be invincible, so it disappoints me on how easy it has been to take down most of the main fighters.. It would be more believeable if Oda made the alliance lose and retreat to fight another day. But that wont happened.

Also...

Jack and Perospero...... disappointing.

It didn’t take all the marines to just to defeat whitebeard though
Whitebeard brought all his Allie’s and the impel down reinforcements and got handily beaten and the entire crew was near damn annihilated had shanks not step in , heck prior to that just sengoku and garp contained the Blackbeard pirates , if they got busy during the war it would have been an even more one sided beat down
I think pero having a higher bounty than snack isn’t just due to strength , he’s been the longest tenured pirate in big Mums Crew and he’s the most cunning and resourceful he’s very dangerous

 

[HereNThere]

Eh, the Commander rankings probably aren't one to one, but I'd say Cracker is likely closer to Jack than to Queen.

That said, I don't think Pero is that comparable to his younger sibling or Jack. But just because he's not a Commander, doesn't mean he's a slouch when it comes to his strength. He may not have the raw strength that Yonkou Commanders are known for, but he's still very much a monster in the grand scheme going by what we've seen. The highest tier of Veteran Pirate before one crosses over to Commander, if that makes sense. I imagine Compote occupies the same space.

 

[AmitDS]

Eh, the Commander rankings probably aren't one to one, but I'd say Cracker is likely closer to Jack than to Queen.

That said, I don't think Pero is that comparable to his younger sibling or Jack. But just because he's not a Commander, doesn't mean he's a slouch when it comes to his strength. He may not have the raw strength that Yonkou Commanders are known for, but he's still very much a monster in the grand scheme going by what we've seen. The highest tier of Veteran Pirate before one crosses over to Commander, if that makes sense. I imagine Compote occupies the same space.

Well he does have a higher bounty than Snack, a former commander ('YC4' as fans call him), and they are in the same crew with the same captain so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he is commander leveled generally, with his DF mastery even if his physical strength may be below Jack for eg. So the highest 'veteran' level and the general commander tier could very well overlap.

 

[GL_Nova]

I would very much like that, but knowing Oda, it wont happen.
Oda doesn't add that type of suspension.
I would prefer that the Samurai alliance to lose to the Beasts Pirates. The Yonko crew have been hyped up to the max, look it took 100,000 elite marines and admirals to defeat the WB pirates. Oda portrayed the Yonko to be invincible, so it disappoints me on how easy it has been to take down most of the main fighters.. It would be more believeable if Oda made the alliance lose and retreat to fight another day. But that wont happened.

Also...

Jack and Perospero...... disappointing.

That’s not believable though. You have all these people who spent the past two arcs complaining that Luffy would never be ready to beat a Yonko, like the end goal of the manga isn’t being PK and it doesn’t require him to beat all of those opponents an conquer them. He even had Luffy declare his intent to do just that. Then his next big opponent after one of the last Warlords to have his hype intact, is beating the top Commander of a Yonko. We saw his struggle to beat the weakest one, and then saw him forced to grow enough to beat a 1st tier one. Even though it was barely won like his other big fights have been. I don’t understand what made people think he was going to be allowed to really lose to two Yonko in a role and somehow bounce back and become King. He had to settle for a moral victory against BM’a crew, and just achieving that was enough to get him named a Yonko in influence. It literally made no sense that he wasn’t going to win this War. We even saw Oda add his first ever training arc and have literally each Strawhat set up to be genuinely training and improving in some way, that should have clued you in. Him faceing off against two Yonko and not being G4 literally the entire time should have been another clue. (Still hasn’t spent a real major amount of time in G4) Then he gave him a new power up mid fight. This is the end of the road for Kaido. An likely BM as well. This is the start of Luffy’s reign. After this victory it will only be Shanks, BB, and the WG that are considered real challenges for him. An we still haven’t seen Weevil. (Who at this point I wouldn’t be surprised is his next opponent, to show off his growth since he keeps being compared to WB in his physical prime) Who is just as likely to join him as Marco. Hell, I expect he might really be one of WB’s sons and he will end up with Marco and the remnants of the WB Pirates as an important Luffy ally. We’ll see though.

 

[HereNThere]

Well he does have a higher bounty than Snack, a former commander ('YC4' as fans call him), and they are in the same crew with the same captain so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he is commander leveled generally, with his DF mastery even if his physical strength may be below Jack for eg. So the highest 'veteran' level and the general commander tier could very well overlap.

Snack is really a weird outlier. I'm curious as to what Oda's intentions were with him, but to me, it feels like he was someone there to be a world-building "Worf". Basically there for the other Supernova to ragdoll around and keep the world "alive" outside of the Strawhats, but still irrelevant enough compared to the actual Commanders. Like the implications are that he jobbed to Kidd before he lost to Uroge.

He's just the former guy. Feels like even Oven and Daifuku got more hype than him.

 

[LadyVados]

Yes, cause he was spacing out/ dreaming. The guy just last chapter blocked an attack from king just fine, before healing Zoro. He took no damage last chapter, no reason for him to be crippled now

He's shown to be unserious/trolling the entire arc.

I think you're overthinking it. He used his last bit of strength to block that attack.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 26, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 26, 2021 ---

Chapter 1026 proves Zoro has better feats than Shanks since it proves you don't need to be a Yonko tier to split the sky since Luffy could do it and he isn't a Yonko tier. Splitting the sky just means you have AdCoC, it's not the yonko level feat people were thinking it was.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think you're overthinking it. He used his last bit of strength to block that attack.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 26, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 26, 2021 ---

Chapter 1026 proves Zoro has better feats than Shanks since it proves you don't need to be a Yonko tier to split the sky since Luffy could do it and he isn't a Yonko tier. Splitting the sky just means you have AdCoC, it's not the yonko level feat people were thinking it was.

This is the funniest take yet.

Zoro fans always moving the goalpost.

 

[LadyVados]

This is the funniest take yet.

Zoro fans always moving the goalpost.

You really think Luffy is gonna be Yonko level before Chapter 1200 ?

Luffy will only be Yonko/Admiral level at EOS or just before. Definitely not this early on in the story. He's probably a high end YC1 at this point, like Marco or Zoro.

 

[XXGenesis]

This is the funniest take yet.

Zoro fans always moving the goalpost.

This is annoying. You single out one person who spouts absurdities and classify them as “Zoro Fans” smh wow…..One Piece fandom is nuts

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

He's probably a high end YC1 at this point, like Marco or Zoro

Lol... just LOL

 

[HereNThere]

Chapter 1026 proves Zoro has better feats than Shanks since it proves you don't need to be a Yonko tier to split the sky since Luffy could do it and he isn't a Yonko tier. Splitting the sky just means you have AdCoC, it's not the yonko level feat people were thinking it was.

Welp, you heard it here first folks, Zoro ain't shit is actually confirmed. Boy can't even reenact a feat that anybody with AdCoC can use. Gotta slop it up with the muck with his fellow low-tier Sanji.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

You really think Luffy is gonna be Yonko level before Chapter 1200 ?

Luffy will only be Yonko/Admiral level at EOS or just before. Definitely not this early on in the story. He's probably a high end YC1 at this point, like Marco or Zoro.

Nah he’s even more poweful than Marco now
He’s probably low end admiral/yonkou tier right now

 

[LadyVados]

Nah he’s even more poweful than Marco now
He’s probably low end admiral/yonkou tier right now

Lol at Yonko level Luffy, not for 2 arcs at the minimum.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 26, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 26, 2021 ---

Honestly Shonen protagonists are almost never the strongest character in their verse.

Naruto is weaker than Kaguya.

Goku is weaker than Zeno-Sama.

I don’t see why Luffy would be any different.

I read a message on this anime WhatsApp group that summed it up-

“Luffy isn't meant to be a strong character. Remember his fight against mihawk in the "war of the best" where he says he'll fight seriously against Luffy and let fate decide what happens to him, but Luffy manages to escape from him when Vista intervenes. Then Mihawk says that Luffy isn't known for his skills or strength, rather his presence, where he draws everyone to help him. He also mentions that Luffy possessing this ability makes him the most dangerous person in the seas. So, he's not a loser per se, his character definition is different from the other stereotypical MCs.”

Luffy will beat Kaido but not by being stronger than him, but with the help of his allies. Luffy ain’t reaching Yonko level before 2025.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 26, 2021 ---

Welp, you heard it here first folks, Zoro ain't shit is actually confirmed. Boy can't even reenact a feat that anybody with AdCoC can use. Gotta slop it up with the muck with his fellow low-tier Sanji.

Actually he can. This clash requires to people to use CoC, so if Zoro had used dead man’s game and Kaido had used Ragnorok at the same time, the sky would split.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Luffy is yonkoulvl, the skysplitting pretty much confirmed it. Have we seen a character who isnt atleast that lvl done this thing?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Lol at Yonko level Luffy, not for 2 arcs at the minimum.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 26, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 26, 2021 ---

Honestly Shonen protagonists are almost never the strongest character in their verse.

Naruto is weaker than Kaguya.

Goku is weaker than Zeno-Sama.

I don’t see why Luffy would be any different.

I read a message on this anime WhatsApp group that summed it up-

“Luffy isn't meant to be a strong character. Remember his fight against mihawk in the "war of the best" where he says he'll fight seriously against Luffy and let fate decide what happens to him, but Luffy manages to escape from him when Vista intervenes. Then Mihawk says that Luffy isn't known for his skills or strength, rather his presence, where he draws everyone to help him. He also mentions that Luffy possessing this ability makes him the most dangerous person in the seas. So, he's not a loser per se, his character definition is different from the other stereotypical MCs.”

Luffy will beat Kaido but not by being stronger than him, but with the help of his allies. Luffy ain’t reaching Yonko level before 2025.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 26, 2021 ---

Actually he can. This clash requires to people to use CoC, so if Zoro had used dead man’s game and Kaido had used Ragnorok at the same time, the sky would split.

Luffy is yonkoulvl, the skysplitting pretty much confirmed it. Have we seen a character who isnt atleast that lvl done this thing?

He’s isn’t quite yonkou level why are folks rushing to crown him
There was so many yonkou level luffy the first time he knocked down kaido upstairs we saw what happened there and when he clashed evenly , he’s still gonna need Yamato help imo yo get it done
He’s getting there and he’s likely stronger than anyone not a yonkou or admiral as it stands ( or adjacent like shiki and garp )

 

[GL_Nova]

You really think Luffy is gonna be Yonko level before Chapter 1200 ?

Luffy will only be Yonko/Admiral level at EOS or just before. Definitely not this early on in the story. He's probably a high end YC1 at this point, like Marco or Zoro.

You’re joking right? Literally only the Yonko have been shown to split the sky. You saw Kaido compare Luffy to all the great Yonko/PK legends when he unlocked that skill. Now they have the clash and suddenly it’s not a Yonko feat because you convinced yourself of some silliness about him not reaching that level until EOS? Oda already
said we’re in the endgame. These are the Throne wars. He has to be worthy to compete.

 

[HereNThere]

Actually he can. This clash requires to people to use CoC, so if Zoro had used dead man’s game and Kaido had used Ragnorok at the same time, the sky would split.

Your previous post said anyone with AdCoC. Now it's just anyone with CoC. So which is it?

And once you clarify that, support your claim with manga panels and give us proof that that would be the case.