Chapter Tower of God Chapter 514 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jyu viole grace]

English translated chapter ----
I know it's written chapter 513 but it's chapter 514,chack it out

Tower Of God Chapter 513 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[Consul N]

Could that giant sword be equivalent to Zahard's golden needle from mystery island? And i just realized the mothership is shaped like a hilt

 

[Demonspeed]

well, he wakes up from his coma and hears bam has gone to war and is with fug again. after he wants to fight yama and after that he will face a lot of high ranker... I don't blame him.

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I agree with this. Its unhealthy, but khun have a lot of emotions and psychological issues. So is pretty logical. This problem will probably be more explored in the khun arc with his past and all. the thing of him seeing himself as someone very bad and measuring himself by his usefulness, how he puts bam on a pedestal and protects and self-sacrifices for those who treat him as human and is kind to him. he probably have been treated like something to be used by his family for so long that he ends up seeing himself that way, while looking for people who see him as human.

He didn't even tell Baam about Prince and Akraptor's death. The truth is that A.A. treats Baam like a baby now. He is like an overprotective parent who doesn't want his kid to be hurt. But that's impossible when they are climbing the Tower and Baam is an Irregular.

One of the reasons I didn't want Yuri and Evan to climb with Baam and co before was this, because they would "baby" him and his friends, but even Yuri didn't go that far, she knew he'd have to suffer during his climb.

Nowadays, the way A.A. treats Baam is so annoying. It's like Baam isn't allowed to be hurt or suffer. It's fine to worry about your friends but he is going to far. It doesn't make sense at all.

This will definitely be addressed later but it is incredibly lame of A.A.

 

[Mizaistorm]

why are they obssessed with surpassing their father?
it s entitelment is what it is and i m bored of hearing about father issue in tog.
as for mascheny she is going to ask him to do something in return she will release jinsung.
it s another data world situation.
they go inside the crystale steal something lpb fh appear.

 

[Ploopyilo]

what was exciting about it? And who is we? You spoke for the community now lol! It’s not the first time siu shows us that sword or the arie family territory, also what hypes you about a shinsoo sword standing in the air.

I do think the majority of the tog community as a whole appreciates everything siu does. Assuming everyone reads tog from webtoon, the vast majority of comments are all always saying things like ‘hype’ or ‘Bam’s gonna whoop someone’s ass’. In fact, i just found out about this kinds of threads recently and then realized that people do complain about tog. I always only saw positive comments about the series from the webtoon comments section. So he might not be very far off when he/she says that the tog community finds it hype. In fact, you people who criticize tog are the minorities while the vast majority just mindlessly enjoy it and ironically enough it’s the minorities who have opinions differing from the masses who are on most of the tog discussions platform while the majority generally doesn’t join these discussions. Lol believe me when I tell you this, put any criticism about tog, Bam, Khun, Rak in the webtoon comments section, you gonna be flooded with dislikes and find relatively little people supporting your viewpoint. Its only on these kind of discussion threads or YouTube comments section with a lot lesser people that these sort of opinions get validated and supported by fellow like minded readers of tog. SIU is actually a genius, he knows his audience base very well and recognizes that a large majority of tog readers just want to see Bam shit on everyone, get the girls and let the other characters shine while doing that, regardless of plot holes, inaccuracies and etc. He’s never going to make Bam weaker, remove Khun or Rak or do anything to undermine the main trio for fear of backlash from the majority. Just watch the YouTube reactions to the tog anime too, people don’t care about anything else, they just want to see Bam being OP, hence why they were all so hype at the end to see viole. People love to see Main characters who shit on people, and tog has that coupled with good world building, thus its popularity. If you still don’t believe me and think that I’m spilling bs right now, just go and take a look at the top comment of the most recent non fast pass chapter. ‘The chapter was a masterpiece’, with almost 5k likes. I mean… need I say more about how majority of TOG fans feel about Bam and the recent tog chapters ?

 

[Demonspeed]

Could that giant sword be equivalent to Zahard's golden needle from mystery island? And i just realized the mothership is shaped like a hilt

What do you mean by equivalent? The Mystery Island thing was a technique. But regarding their attribute Hon should have a White(?) Sword Shinsoo while Zahard has the Golden Needle.

I do think the majority of the tog community as a whole appreciates everything siu does. Assuming everyone reads tog from webtoon, the vast majority of comments are all always saying things like ‘hype’ or ‘Bam’s gonna whoop someone’s ass’. In fact, i just found out about this kinds of threads recently and then realized that people do complain about tog. I always only saw positive comments about the series from the webtoon comments section. So he might not be very far off when he/she says that the tog community finds it hype. In fact, you people who criticize tog are the minorities while the vast majority just mindlessly enjoy it and ironically enough it’s the minorities who have opinions differing from the masses who are on most of the tog discussions platform while the majority generally doesn’t join these discussions. Lol believe me when I tell you this, put any criticism about tog, Bam, Khun, Rak in the webtoon comments section, you gonna be flooded with dislikes and find relatively little people supporting your viewpoint. Its only on these kind of discussion threads or YouTube comments section with a lot lesser people that these sort of opinions get validated and supported by fellow like minded readers of tog. SIU is actually a genius, he knows his audience base very well and recognizes that a large majority of tog readers just want to see Bam shit on everyone, get the girls and let the other characters shine while doing that, regardless of plot holes, inaccuracies and etc. He’s never going to make Bam weaker, remove Khun or Rak or do anything to undermine the main trio for fear of backlash from the majority. Just watch the YouTube reactions to the tog anime too, people don’t care about anything else, they just want to see Bam being OP, hence why they were all so hype at the end to see viole. People love to see Main characters who shit on people, and tog has that coupled with good world building, thus its popularity. If you still don’t believe me and think that I’m spilling bs right now, just go and take a look at the top comment of the most recent non fast pass chapter. ‘The chapter was a masterpiece’, with almost 5k likes. I mean… need I say more about how majority of TOG fans feel about Bam and the recent tog chapters ?

SIU is definitely a genius. Sometimes people complain too much when things don't go their way but overall TOG is very solid. People's expectations of Baam are too high. He is not like the common Isekai protags of now.

 

[hblock]

Lol believe me when I tell you this, put any criticism about tog, Bam, Khun, Rak in the webtoon comments

While I agree that a lot of MH folks almost always criticize every single decision that's taken by SIU (to the point of being toxic), amping Khun/Rak to top 300 HR tier is BS. Folks on Webtoon didn't reach this far yet but from what I know the korean community, who reached the last chapter, is shitting on how it was done.
While people care about popular characters, they also care about consistency and ToG was quite consistent for 11 years in a row up until now. Yet, I've a feeling that SIU would start forcing assupuls, handed from the ass PUs from now onward, which would lead this amazing series to its downfall pretty fast.

As pointed by Albelda in the Dallar Show, Khun and Rak should've been dead now after trying to absorb White's power. If SIU planned for Khun and Rak to stay with Baam, he should've built their power bit by bit since the beginning instead of portraying them as cannon fodders for 500+ chapter and only boosting them in an awkward way in the last 2/3 chapters.

 

[Aliblack]

Was he in danger of death? I thought he was just in a coma. Sophia was taking care of him right?



At this point, I don't think Bam will recklessly tell he has friends, look where it lands him : friends being hold in hostage. Plus, Xia Xia is a stranger, hired merc at best, he doesn't need to elaborate.



Yep, Bam got spooked by the Blue Demon. Bam had the good guy mentality where he must do good for everyone with his power (and later on Khun told him it's okay to be just a human). I wouldn't say he doesn't care, but he didn't have time to sort his feelings IMO (he was on the clock if he wants to stay on hell train) and simply went on and let his friends do whatever they wanted.

Wangnan told Khun in response to the question about his health that "they say his health has not been affected yet, but surely not too long". This shows Horyang had a limited time.

Of course, that hostage conditions had something to do with his feelings but that was not the entire story. I think that dialogue was meant to show the difference between his feeling for his current comrades and friends from season 1. And when has saw Horyang lying injured on the ground, he thought he's dead, he told them that there were people who were waiting for him and he didn't say anything about his relationship with him. A few moments later, when he saw Khun was in danger, his expression and reaction were completely different. He has really cared more about his friends from season 1. Maybe, because they were the first friends he made.

 

[AM21]

While I agree that a lot of MH folks almost always criticize every single decision that's taken by SIU (to the point of being toxic), amping Khun/Rak to top 300 HR tier is BS. Folks on Webtoon didn't reach this far yet but from what I know the korean community, who reached the last chapter, is shitting on how it was done.
While people care about popular characters, they also care about consistency and ToG was quite consistent for 11 years in a row up until now. Yet, I've a feeling that SIU would start forcing assupuls, handed from the ass PUs from now onward, which would lead this amazing series to its downfall pretty fast.

As pointed by Albelda in the Dallar Show, Khun and Rak should've been dead now after trying to absorb White's power. If SIU planned for Khun and Rak to stay with Baam, he should've built their power bit by bit since the beginning instead of portraying them as cannon fodders for 500+ chapter and only boosting them in an awkward way in the last 2/3 chapters.

SUI never could have done that though. If he wanted something like that then he would have HAD to slow down Bams power growth as there’s no way Rak and Khun could stay useful to Bam if they grew naturally or bit by bit.

 

[Aliblack]

While I agree that a lot of MH folks almost always criticize every single decision that's taken by SIU (to the point of being toxic), amping Khun/Rak to top 300 HR tier is BS. Folks on Webtoon didn't reach this far yet but from what I know the korean community, who reached the last chapter, is shitting on how it was done.
While people care about popular characters, they also care about consistency and ToG was quite consistent for 11 years in a row up until now. Yet, I've a feeling that SIU would start forcing assupuls, handed from the ass PUs from now onward, which would lead this amazing series to its downfall pretty fast.

As pointed by Albelda in the Dallar Show, Khun and Rak should've been dead now after trying to absorb White's power. If SIU planned for Khun and Rak to stay with Baam, he should've built their power bit by bit since the beginning instead of portraying them as cannon fodders for 500+ chapter and only boosting them in an awkward way in the last 2/3 chapters.

I was heard that the last chapters got a good rate from Naver.

 

[hblock]

SUI never could have done that though. If he wanted something like that then he would have HAD to slow down Bams power growth as there’s no way Rak and Khun could stay useful to Bam if they grew naturally or bit by bit.

It isn't about slowing Baam's growth. For Khun or Rak to keep up with him, they should've been built and portrayed as the next Adori or Enne. Instead, we had them struggling against the Changs, Cassanos, Daniel Hatchids and Aka Williams most of times for like 500 chapters (which means their potential and power is only akin to this level), it was even stated more than once that they can't keep climbing with Baam forever. If it wasn't enough, they looked like cannon fodder materials in front of the likes of regular Asencio, Icardi (and let's not even talk about Maschenny) in the data floor. Despite all these facts, SIU just happened to recall that they're very popular characters and can't be sidelined "now" (of all times), so he chose to hand them an awkward PU handed from the ass, that allowed them to move from being fodder to regular Asencio to actually match if not surpass the current HR Asencio.
If that's not BS, I don't know what it is. I mean, it's not even coherent with what was stated in the Dallar Show arc. Even if we disregard the amount of BS and awkwardness, how are Khun and Rak not dead from trying to absorb a power far greater than them ?

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I was heard that the last chapters got a good rate from Naver.

Link.

 

[Aliblack]

It isn't about slowing Baam's growth. For Khun or Rak to keep up with him, they should've been built and portrayed as the next Adori or Enne. Instead, we had them struggling against the Daniel Hatchids and Aka Williams most of times for like 500 chapters (which means their potential and power is only akin to this level). If it wasn't enough, they looked like cannon fodder materials in front of the likes of Asencio, Icardi (and let's not even talk about Maschenny) in the data floor. Despite all these facts, SIU just happened to recall that they're very popular characters and can't be sidelined, so he chose to hand them an awkward PU handed from the ass, that allowed them to move from being fodder to regular Asencio to actually match if not surpass the current HR Asencio.
If that's not BS, I don't know what it is. I mean, it wasn't even coherent with what was stated in the Dallar Show arc, how are Khun and Rak not dead from trying to absorb a power far greater than them ?

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I got it from the last two threads in mangahelpers. It was in the comments.

 

[hblock]

I got it from the last two threads in mangahelpers. It was in the comments.

I didn't check but I didn't recall someone gave us what the korean community thinks in the last two threads. In this thread however, it's stated that they didn't like it.

 

[Anzere1stclass]

Wow, that's quite a bit of Maschenny hype. If Jinsung is hyping her that much she must be even stronger than I thought.

Anyway I liked this chapter a lot. Having Koon take the lead somehow immediately made this feel more like... ToG is supposed to feel to me somehow. The offbeat comedy bits. The more conversational stuff and the way that was paced. I enjoyed seeing more of that come back.

It's not Maschenny that the one that jinsung is warning bam but someone else someone that even jinsung say he is higher than him and afraid of

 

[Ploopyilo]

While I agree that a lot of MH folks almost always criticize every single decision that's taken by SIU (to the point of being toxic), amping Khun/Rak to top 300 HR tier is BS. Folks on Webtoon didn't reach this far yet but from what I know the korean community, who reached the last chapter, is shitting on how it was done.
While people care about popular characters, they also care about consistency and ToG was quite consistent for 11 years in a row up until now. Yet, I've a feeling that SIU would start forcing assupuls, handed from the ass PUs from now onward, which would lead this amazing series to its downfall pretty fast.

As pointed by Albelda in the Dallar Show, Khun and Rak should've been dead now after trying to absorb White's power. If SIU planned for Khun and Rak to stay with Baam, he should've built their power bit by bit since the beginning instead of portraying them as cannon fodders for 500+ chapter and only boosting them in an awkward way in the last 2/3 chapters.

But where is it stated that they are top 300 HR ? Unless I missed a chapter, we have only seen them fly or get wings. Is that a high ranker feat ? For the Koreans shitting on SIU, you should be glad that that’s happening as they seem to have the most influence over the way SIU handles the characters. Khun and Rak were also never cannon fodders, they just fought people with so much more abilities that they looked like canon fodders. The last we’ve seen them truly showcase their abilities proper was against viole on the hidden floor and they were doing very well against him. It’s been a long time since that and Khun even got the Yeon flame within him too. While I do agree that it is an asspull with the lack of explanation of how they also got a portion of whites powers, they’ve definitely grown a lot stronger from the dalla show and should be capable of absorbing some of whites powers now without dying. I’m assuming that you think they are top 300 HR because they absorbed whites power but I’m pretty sure they just got a small portion of it with the majority still being absorbed by Bam. So no, they aren’t top 300 HR now.

 

[Anzere1stclass]

Maschenny appears to Ha e been observing Baam's field. See her comment after releasing the Hybrider:

Furthermore, Asensio seems to have known that White was on Baam's field:

• He tells AA that he needs to hurry and assist Baam.
  • This was after they had released the Hybrider, so White was the only antagonist remaining.
• He's not surprised to see White on Baam's field.

It sounds like Maschenny was aware of Baam vs White. I also think it was one of her minions that blinded Baam's field from McCage.



She's behind the Third Wall:

That was then, he holds her in much higher regard now:

Your right she is perhaps behind the third wall but she is not the one jinsung is referring to remember that jinsung wasn't afraid at all when he fought Maschenny but now he said the one behind the third wall is someone in a higher place than us that doesn't make sense dudes he treated Maschenny a kid not long ago even give her some punch in the face and now you think he is afraid of Maschenny seriously we all know that their is the portal to the lo po bia mother ship so the lo po bia head or one of his most powerful branch leader make more sense

 

[Ploopyilo]

The cat shelter while enjoyable, was very messy. Weird translations, weird random power ups from Khun and Rak’s side, alot more Bam focus then before, are a couple of the criticism that I personally have. I hope that he finishes it and takes the criticism that people have been giving him to heart and improves. What he needs right now is feedback to prevent more plot holes from being formed. This comes from a Bam bias, but even I notice the unusual amount of focus on him recently that it sort of takes the appeal away. Right now, it’s too late for Khun and Rak to just leave but I personally hope they separate from Bam. I’m too lazy to explain why but ye.

 

[AM21]

It isn't about slowing Baam's growth. For Khun or Rak to keep up with him, they should've been built and portrayed as the next Adori or Enne. Instead, we had them struggling against the Changs, Cassanos, Daniel Hatchids and Aka Williams most of times for like 500 chapters (which means their potential and power is only akin to this level), it was even stated more than once that they can't keep climbing with Baam forever. If it wasn't enough, they looked like cannon fodder materials in front of the likes of regular Asencio, Icardi (and let's not even talk about Maschenny) in the data floor. Despite all these facts, SIU just happened to recall that they're very popular characters and can't be sidelined "now" (of all times), so he chose to hand them an awkward PU handed from the ass, that allowed them to move from being fodder to regular Asencio to actually match if not surpass the current HR Asencio.
If that's not BS, I don't know what it is. I mean, it's not even coherent with what was stated in the Dallar Show arc. Even if we disregard the amount of BS and awkwardness, how are Khun and Rak not dead from trying to absorb a power far greater than them ?

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If they’d been built like that then surely they’d be too poweful at the start of the manwha? Like where would their struggle be in the early tests including the workshop as well. If they were the next big things? Personally wouldn’t it make sense for them to grow in power at a much faster rate later on and so later on they still have powerful enemies to go against which is kind of what’s happening now . With their recent power ups they both can likely stomp most other C rank regulars yet that doesn’t matter due to their situation. While it would matter while they were the lower ranks because they were going up against people similer to them in power level so there would basically be no struggle for them early on?

 

[Demonspeed]

??? None of Baam's friends are keeping up with him.

If they’d been built like that then surely they’d be too poweful at the start of the manwha? Like where would their struggle be in the early tests including the workshop as well. If they were the next big things? Personally wouldn’t it make sense for them to grow in power at a much faster rate later on and so later on they still have powerful enemies to go against which is kind of what’s happening now . With their recent power ups they both can likely stomp most other C rank regulars yet that doesn’t matter due to their situation. While it would matter while they were the lower ranks because they were going up against people similer to them in power level so there would basically be no struggle for them early on?

Most of Baam's friends in S1 are very talented but yes not like Enne or Adori. Though TBH we don't know much about these two's beginnings.

 

[King Dryst]

Most of Baam's friends in S1 are very talented but yes not like Enne or Adori. Though TBH we don't know much about these two's beginnings.

Neither of them would have have lost a fight to the likes of Arie Inieta, that much is for certain.

 

[Vali x lucifer]

??? None of Baam's friends are keeping up with him.



Most of Baam's friends in S1 are very talented but yes not like Enne or Adori. Though TBH we don't know much about these two's beginnings.

Lero-ro said that Anak with Green April was disappointing compared to Yuri, Adori was definitely miles above Yuri or even d.Maschenny who was miles above Baam's friends in the hidden floor. So we know for sure that they aren't the next Adori talent wise, to be fair Rak could awaken some insane powers due to his lineage, but Khun AA is just a good regular Khun, probably one of the strongest in his generation but still nowhere near a Maschenny.