Chapter Tower of God Chapter 514 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jyu viole grace]

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I know it's written chapter 513 but it's chapter 514,chack it out

Tower Of God Chapter 513 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[Aliblack]

But... that only means SIU didn't want to have aguero simply beat the crap out of data viole. So he went with having him play around with data viole... Which is not at odds with anything I am saying.

I removed "Viole with his techniques". It means Khun couldn't do it and it didn't make sense. It doesn't make sense for me that he could stop one of his extreme flare waves that shook that huge building with his ice shinsu.

 

[Anzere1stclass]

Well given they got new PU they will likely decently stronger than Ran , but before it , Ran was likely stronger , just manipulating ice is not enough against Ran .

Ran has insane speed , strength , durability and offensive power .

AA just have ice , wish is good , but that won't be enough , the moment Ran get close , it will be the end for AA . With Ran speed that will be easy .

You guys underestimate Ran too much . I want to add , that he will be even stronger when he master his shinsoo quality .

Now that i think , does Anak even exist anymore ? I mean where does she rank in strength ? Did Ran let her in the dust already ?

Anak is the most sides character ever in tog but I think we would probably probably see her again with endorsi searching for Rachel

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But... aguero did corner data viole. That is a fact. And the implication then was that data viole probably couldn't even have blocked aguero's spear in those circumstances. That said, it is true that that was the first time aguero used his attribute. Meaning that he would have grown even stronger over the next few days and month. Data viole mostly got out of there because aguero was distracted by shenanigans and viole got an opening.

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Dang, I don't even remember. Maybe the lore or a blog post.

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That's a pretty big assumption. Loosing balance is not something that tells us all that much. It's not like rankers are trip-proof.

Welp, if ran's final goal is to murder mascheny then I would argue that shows a fair bit of animosity on his end. It's true we don't have further context on this but if his objective was simply to defeat her then there wouldn't be a need to kill her. I will also add that mascheny is a cold hearted sadistic and remorseless bitch who is probably easy to hate just in general. We know the way the khun kids are treated as they grow is far from kind... Being trained by mascheny can't be better than that.

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I like ran. but... that has nothing to do with anything.

Maschenny would probably become the equal of Rachel or even worse

 

[zoradante1]

Anak is the most sides character ever in tog but I think we would probably probably see her again with endorsi searching for Rachel

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Maschenny would probably become the equal of Rachel or even worse

Maschenny is much better and insteresting than rachel as character and personality.

 

[AM21]

I do think currently Khun could likely best Ran but I don’t think it’s hundred percent as we haven’t seen Ran in ages.

While I’m not sure why people assume Ran is physically stronger, they both are direct descendents. I always assumed that then both physically stronger than usual.

While Khun doesn’t really use his strength in battle while Ran does.

However Khun being stronger than normal has been hinted at through the manwha, it’s not like his lacking in that aspect.

For example in the early season one he was carrying the weight of three people around him easily which SUI said in a blog that while the people were in his bag it did weigh the same amount as them which Khun was casually carrying it around.

His durability is also implied to be good when Hatz tried to cut through his arm but didn’t succeed.

His also used his strength against Rak a number of times when they’re messing around or if he wants Rak to not do something which wouldn’t be possible if he wasn’t unnaturally strong. Sure I do think Rak is physically stronger but Khuns still is able to made Rak budge when he wants to which is saying something.

Ran also only kept up with Anaak because he took the shinsoo pill, we don’t know how strong he is without the pill.

I do think Khuns likely more poweful/stronger now but mainly because of the power boost.

Though I do think with his strategies, light house, Ice skills he still could have won before the power boost or had a really good chance against Ran.

When it was talked about direct descendents having stronger bodies and all that, I did assume that also included Khun.

His still directly like Ran, Khun Eduans son after all no matter who his mother is.

 

[Cinera]

That's a pretty big assumption. Loosing balance is not something that tells us all that much. It's not like rankers are trip-proof.

1. A Ranker is very unlikely to be so clumsy as to nearly fall from a spike.
2. A Ranker could have just levitated and wouldn't have needed to balance on the spike in the first place.

The big assumption is assuming that a Ranker would be clumsy and incapable of flight.

Welp, if ran's final goal is to murder mascheny then I would argue that shows a fair bit of animosity on his end.

Not really. Here's what SIU said:

Ran had a battle against Maschenny when he was young.

She said he will be a good warrior.

He have decided killing her would be his last goal if he becomes a ranker.

Source

Killing Maschenny is not something that Ran actively seeks or even cares about. It will be the final goal that he'll adopt for himself if he completes the Tower.

He's not actively pursuing Maschenny's death the way AA is actively climbing the Tower to dethrone Eduan.

It's really just: "if I become a Ranker, then I guess I'll hunt my sister".

It's true we don't have further context on this but if his objective was simply to defeat her then there wouldn't be a need to kill her.

This is not true at all. When Zahard tried to spare Maschenny after Lecalicus, she was insulted by the gesture and insisted that they fight until her death:

Zahard acknowledged the insult and showed her his respect by resolving himself to kill her:

If Ran ever defeated Maschenny in combat, and tried to spare her life, she would be deeply offended by the gesture. She'd probably insist that he kill her (as she did to Zahard).

The idea is that the only way to show respect to your opponent as a combatant is to face them with both your lives on the line. This isn't a sentiment unique to Maschenny either. Even when Shilial wanted to fuck around with Hatsu in a play fight, she insisted that they still put their lives on the line:

As someone who was trained how to fight by Maschenny, Ran would probably have adopted this philosophy.

I will also add that mascheny is a cold hearted sadistic and remorseless bitch who is probably easy to hate just in general.

Asensio wants to know your location.

We know the way the khun kids are treated as they grow is far from kind... Being trained by mascheny can't be better than that.

Not Ran. Ran had a very rosy childhood per SIU. He was raised as the New Ace of the Khun Family, and with a golden spoon "bedazzled with real diamonds":

Q5. What does Khun (Aguero) and Ran think of each other?

A: I actually wanted to originally draw it as a behind-the-scenes story, but since they haven't met because they're on separate floors, it's still a (tn: spoilerwise?) sensitive topic qq.

I know a lot of you want to see it, but I can only give this story once Ran reaches Khun's floor, but in that regard I also feel pent up because I get a lot of questions about this.

If I give a sneak peek, while Ran was raised as new ace of the family he was raised as a spoiled kid of sorts, while Khun was slightly more abandoned....

He was raised toughly with little attention so he climbed to become someone great.

From Ran's perspective Khun looks very skilled/competant so he thought it would be fun to climb with him, and Khun happened to find this out about Ran so he snatched him right up.

They're both gold spooned, but Ran is gold spooned bedazzled with real diamonds, while Khun is also like that but without it having been noticed

Source

Ran had a very spoiled childhood.

Also note that Ran's current reason for climbing the Tower is to have fun climbing with AA.

 

[O_n_Sly]

So the only similarity between Data Mas and Real Mas is their bloodlust and that only! Data Mas was loyal to Eduan, did not think for herself and obeyed commands! Real Mas is deceitful, cunning and treacherous!

Just stop with the silly comparisons lol

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Anyone else feel those Jamie & Cersei Lannister vibes from Asensio & Mas?

 

[kkck]

Maschenny would probably become the equal of Rachel or even worse

I don't know what this means.

 

[lazybum]

If Data Mas is any indication and Data Ascensio apparent devotion to her, past Mas probably took care of everyone under her (Ran, Ascensio ...) until a certain point in her life.

 

[Cinera]

Data Mas was loyal to Eduan, did not think for herself and obeyed commands!

Well, fighting Zahard was certainly something that she wanted for herself.

Anyone else feel those Jamie & Cersei Lannister vibes from Asensio & Mas?

Yass. Asensio is in all likelihood a massive siscon.

If Data Mas is any indication and Data Ascensio apparent devotion to her, past Mas probably took care of everyone under her (Ran, Ascensio ...) until a certain point in her life.

Well Adult Asensio is also very loyal to her.

 

[zoradante1]

So the only similarity between Data Mas and Real Mas is their bloodlust and that only! Data Mas was loyal to Eduan, did not think for herself and obeyed commands! Real Mas is deceitful, cunning and treacherous!

Just stop with the silly comparisons lol

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Anyone else feel those Jamie & Cersei Lannister vibes from Asensio & Mas?

jamie and cersei vibes comes from maria and A.A not mas and asensio to me.

ToG will end up with baam banging maschenny along with other daddy's princess anyway.

 

[kkck]

Ran's body isn't anything special if we exclude Redan. He's far beneath Anak physically in base and above her with Redan.
Also, Inieta isn't nearly as strudy of physically as strong as Redan Ran, it's rather the durability of the ignition weapon he held that allowed him to clash and fight evenly.

Context! If we go by data eduan and data zahard we saw that data eduan was able to trade blows with zahard... Which is absurd. The khun have A LOT going for them... The arie excel because of their swordsmanship, the ha because of their tough bodies combined with their particularly powerful reinforcement. Eduan has his spear bearing, multiple characteristic elements (at least ice and electricity), and particularly tough bodies. Eduan's children of course can inherit whichever amount of these.

Ran of course has shown the most physical endurance out of any known regular khun and excels at lightning. To the point where he can use mascheny style techniques.

Kisea is another khun that seemingly excels at physical combat (though as a regular we don't know if the real one has developed more stuff).

Aguero is by all appearances behind in terms of physical capacity but he still objectively very strong in this regard by regular standards. It is also worth noting that aguero's physical strength is probably beneath his potential given how much he has usually avoided combat during his climb. His reinforcement should have improved dramatically since he acquired his shinsoo attributes as well since getting those allows you easier control of shinsoo.

 

[paulbee]

The Ran thing (kill Maschenny) is just Bluster, immature ranting, or both. Maschenny is not only a very very Talented Khunn, but as a princess she is also boosted with Zahad Juice.

 

[Cinera]

Context! If we go by data eduan and data zahard we saw that data eduan was able to trade blows with zahard... Which is absurd. The khun have A LOT going for them... The arie excel because of their swordsmanship, the ha because of their tough bodies combined with their particularly powerful reinforcement. Eduan has his spear bearing, multiple characteristic elements (at least ice and electricity), and particularly tough bodies. Eduan's children of course can inherit whichever amount of these.

Ran of course has shown the most physical endurance out of any known regular khun and excels at lightning. To the point where he can use mascheny style techniques.

Kisea is another khun that seemingly excels at physical combat (though as a regular we don't know if the real one has developed more stuff).

Aguero is by all appearances behind in terms of physical capacity but he still objectively very strong in this regard by regular standards. It is also worth noting that aguero's physical strength is probably beneath his potential given how much he has usually avoided combat during his climb. His reinforcement should have improved dramatically since he acquired his shinsoo attributes as well since getting those allows you easier control of shinsoo.

Ran is special because he has the Maschenny Bloodline:

Their bloodline is so strong that the Khuns believe that only Zahard Princesses can trouble a Maschenny.

Outside the Webtoon, SIU has stressed their exceptional pedigree:

SIU said that members of the Maschenny bloodline are geniuses:
Season 2 Chapter 198 Blog Post

Ran continues to appear from the last chapter.
Since he has Khun Maschenny bloodline, he has the "genius" trope as well.

Source


He further stated that they have a stronger bloodline than AA (who inherited the "pretty rare" ice spear quality):

July 2016 Tweets Translation

In contrast, Koon should have been a direct descent based on the principle, but her mother’s bloodline isn't so good, so it is hard for him to be included among direct descents…
Case by case…
Kind of..
Maschennies have it stronger and stuff…
It’s just the way Koon is

Source


Ran himself was raised as the "New Ace" of the Family, with a golden spoon "bedazzled with real diamonds":
2016 Q & A

Q5. What does Khun (Aguero) and Ran think of each other?

A: I actually wanted to originally draw it as a behind-the-scenes story, but since they haven't met because they're on separate floors, it's still a (tn: spoilerwise?) sensitive topic qq.
I know a lot of you want to see it, but I can only give this story once Ran reaches Khun's floor, but in that regard I also feel pent up because I get a lot of questions about this.
If I give a sneak peek, while Ran was raised as new ace of the family he was raised as a spoiled kid of sorts, while Khun was slightly more abandoned....
He was raised toughly with little attention so he climbed to become someone great.
From Ran's perspective Khun looks very skilled/competant so he thought it would be fun to climb with him, and Khun happened to find this out about Ran so he snatched him right up.
They're both gold spooned, but Ran is gold spooned bedazzled with real diamonds, while Khun is also like that but without it having been noticed

Source


This is without getting to the Maschenny Style Lighting Spear techniques and Redan, which can only be properly used by the children of Maschenny.

 

[Demonspeed]

Guys, please if you want to continue your Regular PL comparisons, continue in this thread.

I think I'll move some posts there once I have the time.

 

[Anzere1stclass]

Maschenny is much better and insteresting than rachel as character and personality.

You have to accept that she is kinda worst than Rachel

 

[zoradante1]

You have to accept that she is kinda worst than Rachel

she is at the very least not betraying chestnut boy lol. Just stop it. Rachel is worst character for me considering how she used chestnut even though chestnut would do pretty much everything for her. I see maschenny as definitely crazy bitch who would murder her own troops but she is not bitch to a point she would even betray asensio. (it's chestnut for rachel)

 

[Turtle hunter]

Context! If we go by data eduan and data zahard we saw that data eduan was able to trade blows with zahard... Which is absurd. The khun have A LOT going for them... The arie excel because of their swordsmanship, the ha because of their tough bodies combined with their particularly powerful reinforcement. Eduan has his spear bearing, multiple characteristic elements (at least ice and electricity), and particularly tough bodies. Eduan's children of course can inherit whichever amount of these.

Ran of course has shown the most physical endurance out of any known regular khun and excels at lightning. To the point where he can use mascheny style techniques.

Kisea is another khun that seemingly excels at physical combat (though as a regular we don't know if the real one has developed more stuff).

Aguero is by all appearances behind in terms of physical capacity but he still objectively very strong in this regard by regular standards. It is also worth noting that aguero's physical strength is probably beneath his potential given how much he has usually avoided combat during his climb. His reinforcement should have improved dramatically since he acquired his shinsoo attributes as well since getting those allows you easier control of shinsoo.

How is it absurd that data edhuan can trade blow with data jahad ?

I think if other irregular gave they blood like jahad does , they would have tough body .

In the end for me it is just irregular blood concentration .

 

[Anzere1stclass]

How is it absurd that data edhuan can trade blow with data jahad ?

I think if other irregular gave they blood like jahad does , they would have tough body .

In the end for me it is just irregular blood concentration .

The current eduan would not be able to harm zahard because of the contract but even though he couldn't fight him there data self was weak like bam was on the hidden floor current eduan is too weak for zahard even arie hon who is more powerful than eduan couldn't harm zahard only urek, enryu,bam could harm zahard

 

[kkck]

How is it absurd that data edhuan can trade blow with data jahad ?

I think if other irregular gave they blood like jahad does , they would have tough body .

In the end for me it is just irregular blood concentration .

Because zahard is the one among the great warriors with the greatest physical toughness. It's one of his primary traits (though of course zahard excels at everything to some capacity).

Irregular blood concentration? I don't think that's a thing... My take (guess) on the blood thing and the princesses is that zahard is basically passing his own traits to the princesses via the ritual. So the princesses get absurdly powerful bodies because zahard has that. My guess here is that if other beings would pass different traits (though since all of the great warriors have to different degrees strong bodies all of the recipients of their blood would also receive a boost in that regard, to different degrees). For a while now I've wondered if the process could result in users manifesting other types of boosts. Like enhanced shinsoo control or even zahard's attributes as well.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

jamie and cersei vibes comes from maria and A.A not mas and asensio to me.

ToG will end up with baam banging maschenny along with other daddy's princess anyway.

Including

Spoiler

Maria