One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
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7. Law having CoC currently.
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[Fox666]

Spoiler

Hawkins lost because he let Killer cut him.

Hawkins thought he was invincible and the damage would go to Kid, but it didn't.

I'm sure even without his Devil Fruit, Hawkins would put a good sword fight against Killer.

It's still Hawkins lost. Usually his greatest strength is his wits, but he was outsmarted by Killer.

 

[albertwv]

Spoiler: 1029 Spoilers

Tbf it was quite obvious that every rooftop fighter was stronger than Hawkins
Both law and Zoro kinda handled him comfortably

I dont agree with this logic but I understand it. Are you claiming anyone who fought 2 Yonko are automatically stronger than those who havent? In the rooftop fight, we only saw Luffy and Zolo do any damage to the Yonko(Kaido). People initially claimed that anyone on the rooftop was at least YC1. Which we found out was not true seeing how Zolo is fighting on par with King.
Truthfully, I find it hard to even believe Kid or Law are YC1, since we never saw them fight anyone

 

[Crimson Ice]

I dont agree with this logic but I understand it. Are you claiming anyone who fought 2 Yonko are automatically stronger than those who havent? In the rooftop fight, we only saw Luffy and Zolo do any damage to the Yonko(Kaido). People initially claimed that anyone on the rooftop was at least YC1. Which we found out was not true seeing how Zolo is fighting on par with King.
Truthfully, I find it hard to even believe Kid or Law are YC1, since we never saw them fight anyone

Everyone damaged Kaido, not only Zoro and Luffy. Law has also hurt Big Mom.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Spoiler: 1029 Spoilers

So I'm going to be that guy. I don't think Hawkins lost because he was weaker than Killer.

As we've seen plenty in this arc, the Supernova can easily take one another out with one shot if they get a good hit it. Killer himself was victim of this.

Aside from screwing around too long despite having an significant advantage, he left his fighting to his cards. After he got his arm chopped off, he was clearly still in the game, so to speak and ready to continue fighting. Same after his Strawman got cut down. But instead of relying on himself, he turned to his fortune again rather than, you know, fight for himself.

There's no telling how things would go if Hawkins tried for himself or, hell, drew a card he actually wanted, IMO.

Spoiler

Agree to some extent. Killer was lucky that Kid lost his arm. They should thank Shanks for this. But still, I am very impressed by Killer's intelligence.

But the fact is that once the doll issue was sorted out, Killer quickly disposed of Hawkins. I believe in terms of physical stats, Killer is above Hawkins.

Spoiler

Oh for sure. Hawkins' physical game is definitely poor compared to Killer's. But it's fine because Hawkins is more like Law and uses his fruit to offset that issue. When he's good on dolls, he can basically afford to take any hits he'd like, similar to how Kaido fights basically.

Hawkins had the means, he just didn't have the guts to gamble on himself or push forward. He's too cautious and got too confident in his numbers/precognition. It's the concept Bege spoke of back in WCI. Seeing the future ain't special, since everyone has the potential to change their future.

Or basically what Killer said at the start of the fight. Fortune favors the bold.

Spoiler

Hawkins lost because he let Killer cut him.

Hawkins thought he was invincible and the damage would go to Kid, but it didn't.

I'm sure even without his Devil Fruit, Hawkins would put a good sword fight against Killer.

It's still Hawkins lost. Usually his greatest strength is his wits, but he was outsmarted by Killer.

I dont agree with this logic but I understand it. Are you claiming anyone who fought 2 Yonko are automatically stronger than those who havent? In the rooftop fight, we only saw Luffy and Zolo do any damage to the Yonko(Kaido). People initially claimed that anyone on the rooftop was at least YC1. Which we found out was not true seeing how Zolo is fighting on par with King.
Truthfully, I find it hard to even believe Kid or Law are YC1, since we never saw them fight anyone

No all the supernovas up top did damage to the yonkou ( minus maybe kidd )
What I meant is killer seems kinda relative to law and Zoro and both beat Hawkins pretty comfortably also

 

[XXGenesis]

I dont agree with this logic but I understand it. Are you claiming anyone who fought 2 Yonko are automatically stronger than those who havent? In the rooftop fight, we only saw Luffy and Zolo do any damage to the Yonko(Kaido). People initially claimed that anyone on the rooftop was at least YC1. Which we found out was not true seeing how Zolo is fighting on par with King.
Truthfully, I find it hard to even believe Kid or Law are YC1, since we never saw them fight anyone

They would have to be for the story to remain consistent.

im starting to wonder how much context matters, in a story or is it just the end result.

Because several characters have even hurt, or survived a Yonkou’s attack and have not been on Yc1 lv.

While the rest of the power scaling is relative between characters. 2 Yonkou’s are not living up to their hype in finishing their opponents off who aren’t on their tier….

 

[grey matter]

Spoiler

Now that Law and Kid have awakened their DF, we can definitely put them on or above King level?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Spoiler

Now that Law and Kid have awakened their DF, we can definitely put them on or above King level?

I think both been stronger than king to me imo

 

[Fox666]

When Big Mom was tied, it seemed like the All-Stars couldn't do anything to her...

So I assume Law and Kid would wipe the floor with the 3 of them.

 

[LaGOAT]

I think both been stronger than king to me imo

Not until this spoiler came out if it’s true

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Not until this spoiler came out if it’s true

Just personally see how well they performed against the yonkou , saw them being on king level or above as a given
Given that luffy was actually down and out for 10 minutes , the 4 of them had to fight 2 yonkou on their own

 

[Crimson Ice]

Law STONKZ ARE BACK UP! I think Oda is creating a hierarchy among the alliance with who they beat.

 

[Prince13333]

I think both been stronger than king to me imo

Zoro did More on the roof than Kidd and Law and He's struggling with a YC1. He still has to overcome a YC1. Law also got mid diffed by Doflamingo So there's no way he was YC1 before. After these spoilers , Even after these spoilers still not convinced Law and Kidd are YC1. Their definitely above YC2, But there aren't any YC1's I'd take Law or Kidd over in a 1v1 currently.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Zoro did More on the roof than Kidd and Law and He's struggling with a YC1. He still has to overcome a YC1. Law also got mid diffed by Doflamingo So there's no way he was YC1 before. After these spoilers , Even after these spoilers still not convinced Law and Kidd are YC1. Their definitely above YC2, But there aren't any YC1's I'd take Law or Kidd over in a 1v1 currently.

Law being mid miffed by doffy isn’t relevant at all on the least , that happened 300 chapters ago , we read one piece we see how much stronger protagonists , Strawhats got world stronger from alabasta to ennies lobby and that was just 200 chapters ( and law is essentially a protagonist now )
I’d take either of them over katakuri and king
I see Marco as YC1+ and Rayleigh prime as more admiral level

 

[albertwv]

Law being mid miffed by doffy isn’t relevant at all on the least , that happened 300 chapters ago , we read one piece we see how much stronger protagonists , Strawhats got world stronger from alabasta to ennies lobby and that was just 200 chapters ( and law is essentially a protagonist now )
I’d take either of them over katakuri and king
I see Marco as YC1+ and Rayleigh prime as more admiral level

You're right people grow stronger after arcs. Law got defeated by Doffy YC3 in Dressrosa. There's just no proof that he became this strong YC1, no training no explanation of whatsoever, so for readers who like logic (and dont say there is no logic in OP, this aint Fairy Tail) we want to see consistency. It's hard to imagine Law got that strong now. The rooftop fight was downplayed by Oda to make the power levels in the story make more sense. He hyped up the Yonko and now we see 5 Yc3-YC1 people able to fend off and somewhat harm them. It downplayed the Yonko in my eyes. I would understand if it was only 1 Yonko but 2? Ridiculous.

But yea, we saw how Zolo was the only one outside of Luffy actually damage Kaido. Law did to Kaido and BM what maybe Raizo did to Kaido or the rest of the 9RS damage did to Kaido. It was nothing to Kaido unlike Luffy and Zolo's attacks.

Oda wants Law and Kid to be with Luffy but hes doing a bad job at it. We literally had no idea how strong Kid was, he managed to hurt a Sweet Commander we have no idea which one, my best guess was Snack. Back to Law, last time we saw him go all out was with Doffy and he got trashed but now he is able to damage a Yonko, bullshit.
Oda shouldve had build up fights for Law, Zolo, and Kid and maybe even Luffy. Not this bullshit imaginary power up asspull. The only build up fight we saw in Wano was Sanji vs Page One and we didnt even see the outcome...

 

[LaGOAT]

You're right people grow stronger after arcs. Law got defeated by Doffy YC3 in Dressrosa. There's just no proof that he became this strong YC1, no training no explanation of whatsoever, so for readers who like logic (and dont say there is no logic in OP, this aint Fairy Tail) we want to see consistency. It's hard to imagine Law got that strong now. The rooftop fight was downplayed by Oda to make the power levels in the story make more sense. He hyped up the Yonko and now we see 5 Yc3-YC1 people able to fend off and somewhat harm them. It downplayed the Yonko in my eyes. I would understand if it was only 1 Yonko but 2? Ridiculous.

But yea, we saw how Zolo was the only one outside of Luffy actually damage Kaido. Law did to Kaido and BM what maybe Raizo did to Kaido or the rest of the 9RS damage did to Kaido. It was nothing to Kaido unlike Luffy and Zolo's attacks.

Oda wants Law and Kid to be with Luffy but hes doing a bad job at it. We literally had no idea how strong Kid was, he managed to hurt a Sweet Commander we have no idea which one, my best guess was Snack. Back to Law, last time we saw him go all out was with Doffy and he got trashed but now he is able to damage a Yonko, bullshit.
Oda shouldve had build up fights for Law, Zolo, and Kid and maybe even Luffy. Not this bullshit imaginary power up asspull. The only build up fight we saw in Wano was Sanji vs Page One and we didnt even see the outcome...

Took those words from my mouth

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

You're right people grow stronger after arcs. Law got defeated by Doffy YC3 in Dressrosa. There's just no proof that he became this strong YC1, no training no explanation of whatsoever, so for readers who like logic (and dont say there is no logic in OP, this aint Fairy Tail) we want to see consistency. It's hard to imagine Law got that strong now. The rooftop fight was downplayed by Oda to make the power levels in the story make more sense. He hyped up the Yonko and now we see 5 Yc3-YC1 people able to fend off and somewhat harm them. It downplayed the Yonko in my eyes. I would understand if it was only 1 Yonko but 2? Ridiculous.

But yea, we saw how Zolo was the only one outside of Luffy actually damage Kaido. Law did to Kaido and BM what maybe Raizo did to Kaido or the rest of the 9RS damage did to Kaido. It was nothing to Kaido unlike Luffy and Zolo's attacks.

Oda wants Law and Kid to be with Luffy but hes doing a bad job at it. We literally had no idea how strong Kid was, he managed to hurt a Sweet Commander we have no idea which one, my best guess was Snack. Back to Law, last time we saw him go all out was with Doffy and he got trashed but now he is able to damage a Yonko, bullshit.
Oda shouldve had build up fights for Law, Zolo, and Kid and maybe even Luffy. Not this bullshit imaginary power up asspull. The only build up fight we saw in Wano was Sanji vs Page One and we didnt even see the outcome...

eehh to say somewhat no harm, they had law to bail them out of trouble a lot , and 2 of the strongest have been defeated

the supernovas weren't really on par, they were getting their shit kicked in relatively but they did good overall, multiple defats and knockouts

we had te straw hats essentially magically power up with 0 EXPLANATTIONS
also within on arc , luffy went from about par to crackr to close to katakuri

 

[HereNThere]

At this point, I have unfortunately have a clear idea of what the upcoming chapter is about, but just a reminder...

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[LadyVados]

So Killer > Hawkins confirmed.

All the Hawkins fans who thought he'll be a rival to Luffy in the future in shambles right now

 

[Fox666]

eehh to say somewhat no harm, they had law to bail them out of trouble a lot , and 2 of the strongest have been defeated

the supernovas weren't really on par, they were getting their shit kicked in relatively but they did good overall, multiple defats and knockouts

we had te straw hats essentially magically power up with 0 EXPLANATTIONS
also within on arc , luffy went from about par to crackr to close to katakuri

Luffy becoming stronger while fighting Katakuri was reasonable, since much of the arc was dedicated to their dual. Also most of it was due to Luffy learning future sight.

Besides Luffy vs Katakuri was cool as fuck. Everyone getting many times stronger simultaneously in Wano was just sloppy.

 

[LaGOAT]

Luffy becoming stronger while fighting Katakuri was reasonable, since much of the arc was dedicated to their dual. Also most of it was due to Luffy learning future sight.

Besides Luffy vs Katakuri was cool as fuck. Everyone getting many times stronger simultaneously in Wano was just sloppy.

If anything luffy and zoro was decent cuz we saw them train