Chapter Tower of God Chapter 515 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jyu viole grace]

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Tower of God Chapter 515 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[Jubei_Kibagami]

IRC Lyb allowed him to use his full power after he ordered him to sacrifice 4th flagship.



Yama's beef with Doom is not respecting canine as people, and they fought against this point. It's not as much as betrayal and more a differing of opinion. When Doom no longer try to control the canine people, they have no reason to fight anymore. Though Doom did kill some Yama's subordinate in the past, which escalate in the fight, but that was a long time ago I guess Yama forgave him on that point. Here Yas's action is very recent (few weeks ago?).

OK, well, how do you explain Kallavan working with the enemy (of Zahard for poop's sake)? That seems to go against his ethos, no? Because his PERSONAL loss of his men is being valued more than his loyalty to Zahard here. Which means his Zahard fanaticism isn't unshakable. I forgot about the arm, but the point stands that Zahard is going against the Z army. A true loyalist would see the big picture of sacrificing even his own men in an effort to please daddy Zahard.

And, as for Yama... he seemed to move on really quickly from Doom's very recent murder (as with Paul) of many dogkin. I mean, Doom was seen as a defacto enemy of Yama/Baam... until he wasn't.

Same for how everyone just glosses over White's atrocities, and so on.





FUG is a collection of convenience, and Baam has sold his soul repeatedly. I don't see him stopping now by adding Yas (or Yas being accepted on a temporary agreement like Kallavan as an ally). And I don't see Kallavan being 100% beholden to Zahard. Hell, he daydreams about Baam...

 

[MikaR]

Bam looks like an angry girlfriend saying "it's fine, there is no problem."

He was looking to vincent here, not khun.

 

[sazon]

doom is not going to die.he is most important canine.if he die his race die with him.

If Yasratcha had WangWang's body we wouldn't need Doom anymore, but I also think he doesn't die.

 

[Consul N]

Sounds like Yasratcha was forcefully controlled By Lord Lo Po Bia to kill Wang Wang/Puppy.

 

[EternalWinter]

I myself believe that yama will get another necessary power up to be able to kill the LPB FH, SIU will come with a way like he always do. Since khun and rak multiple BS power up, everything is now possibly for me in this series.

Not as straight forward. Baam is an irregular who grows like a monster. White is a very special regular who can effectively take other people’s power and add it to his own. So when baam kills someone or in big wars, white grows exponentially LIKE an irregular. Therefore there’s a conceivable way for him to eventually reach Hon…what does Yama have like that?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Not as straight forward. Baam is an irregular who grows like a monster. White is a very special regular who can effectively take other people’s power and add it to his own. So when baam kills someone or in big wars, white grows exponentially LIKE an irregular. Therefore there’s a conceivable way for him to eventually reach Hon…what does Yama have like that?

If SIU opens the door for non-irregulars to kill FH's, which he may very well do, I don't see why he'd stop at the Arie's. I suspect, if so, other Slayers will get exotic PU's (this business with artificial beings being a hint) and be successful. Some have long suspected Baam giving portions of his powers to those around him for instance. The sky is really the limit.

 

[lazybum]

OK, well, how do you explain Kallavan working with the enemy (of Zahard for poop's sake)? That seems to go against his ethos, no? Because his PERSONAL loss of his men is being valued more than his loyalty to Zahard here. Which means his Zahard fanaticism isn't unshakable. I forgot about the arm, but the point stands that Zahard is going against the Z army. A true loyalist would see the big picture of sacrificing even his own men in an effort to please daddy Zahard.

Oh I agree that Kallavan helping Bam is very much against his belief, I was merely correcting that small detail about the arm thing. I also agree that people sometimes go against their belief, if there's a cause for it.

And, as for Yama... he seemed to move on really quickly from Doom's very recent murder (as with Paul) of many dogkin. I mean, Doom was seen as a defacto enemy of Yama/Baam... until he wasn't.

Because of the situation, it "can't be helped" I guess. Paul has every right to be angry at Yama for imprisoning their brother Doom and fought for his freedom. Doom also has every right to fight against Yama after awakening, for his life at least. The canine people are Yama's subordinates, so they are enemies to Doom and to Paul and get pulled into the brothers' conflict.

You'd say Yas has every right to do the same and you'd be right. The difference is Doom didn't have time to do anything "cowardly" using the canine people against Yama, whereas Yas did, he used the canine people as shield and killed the canine people for mostly nothing. You can even say Yas become a bigger target than Doom.

Same for how everyone just glosses over White's atrocities, and so on.

Bam was against getting White's help in the last station, but end up not doing anything about it, I agree. Some don't mind like Khun and the FUG people in general. Endorsi wouldn't, and so on and so forth. I think Bam and Wangnan are the one who want to uphold the moral, others are accepting "they gotta do what they gotta do" to climb, see what I mean?

FUG is a collection of convenience, and Baam has sold his soul repeatedly. I don't see him stopping now by adding Yas (or Yas being accepted on a temporary agreement like Kallavan as an ally). And I don't see Kallavan being 100% beholden to Zahard. Hell, he daydreams about Baam...

Well I don't know Yama about Yas, it can go either way, we will see.

 

[paulbee]

Because they are enemies lol

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

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If SIU opens the door for non-irregulars to kill FH's, which he may very well do, I don't see why he'd stop at the Arie's. I suspect, if so, other Slayers will get exotic PU's (this business with artificial beings being a hint) and be successful. Some have long suspected Baam giving portions of his powers to those around him for instance. The sky is really the limit.

Besides there is the immortality spell. It is possible there is a work around secrete to it but that is yet to be revealed if it even exists.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

Idiom Origins - Enemy of my enemy is my friend - History of Enemy of my enemy is my friend

Enemy of my enemy is my friend Origin and History - An ancient proverb which suggests that two opposing parties can or should work together against a common enemy. The earliest known expression of the concept is...

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You've got a huge mountain to climb trying to convince him of that. Good luck.

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Besides there is the immortality spell

My guess is something about Baam taking down their proverbial walls (just like he did with the real wall spell) by, um, dispelling that spell... leaving them open to attack.

 

[Vitala]

Not as straight forward. Baam is an irregular who grows like a monster. White is a very special regular who can effectively take other people’s power and add it to his own. So when baam kills someone or in big wars, white grows exponentially LIKE an irregular. Therefore there’s a conceivable way for him to eventually reach Hon…what does Yama have like that?

Didn’t white just said in the FB that he feels like he will never reach the kind of strength his father has? So I don’t see how the arie are a special case, why would yama having the 3 rd fang not be the same or even the fact that his mother is a DD LPB unlike doom and paul. Siu could be very well come with another flashback explaining how special yama is.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Who is Asensio referring to when he says Khun is working with a dangerous person?

Baam

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Gustang has the support from other unnamed FHs, as he announced at the end of S2! They absolutely don’t need Luslec lol!With chaos comes great opportunity! Draw Jahad’s attention to Baam while he works in the background. And just a guess here but with so much chaos happening in the tower I’m sure Jahad’s fate vision is severely obstructed!

 

[Consul N]

Baam is surrounded by untrustworthy people
1 Dorky snake hair guy
2 Armor guy named Kel i think?
3 Errand boy Asensio
4 Vincente I'm just biding my time
5 Khun gets added for helping resurrect White behind Baam's back

 

[O_n_Sly]

If Jahad is unable to see, he’ll most likely be forced to move/come out of hiding!

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Again some FHs just want to continue to climb and are frustrated with Jahad’s decision. Jahad does not need to die for their goal to be accomplished! Luslec does not care about opening up the tower! I guess you can say Baam’s growth via Gustang’s ventures was a by-product

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Is immortality a spell? I thought it was a permission granted by the administrator? Not sure how people can compare that to the actual spell for the 2nd wall LOL!

 

[Headlights]

So Lyborick didn't even wait to fight Kallavan? Kallavan should be thoroughly p.o'd so there should be some good fights in his future.

Still waiting for Cha and Dowan to show up and fight. I am sure SIU will give them a good fight. Oh and where is Karaka in all of this? As a student of Jinsung, you would think he would get more screentime than the weird snakespell guy.

 

[Brian Taboada]

Is immortality a spell? I thought it was a permission granted by the administrator? Not sure how people can compare that to the actual spell for the 2nd wall LOL!

It is a contract with provisions for immortality granted by the Administrator. However, it is not true immortality as those not subject to the contract, i.e., those born outside the tower, can kill FH and Administrators alike.

 

[Xeroxed]

This makes it very clear both warp gates are connected to LPB forces.

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If it's a decoy, then Asencio is wrong in his intel. But, it's delivered as if these are key story elements. I don't think Mas' forces would be wrong on this.

My interpretation is that one is connected to the Lo Po Bia family and the other is connected to Zahards army. A small distinction as it might be. It would make no sense that both are going to the same place. This might allow the mysterious "Captain" to enter the battle as well. As he probably is related to Zahards army and takes a great interest in this battle through his minions and the things he sat up with the ancient heroes.

 

[Turtle hunter]

It would be hilarious to see Rachel with a powerup trying to step to Baam and then the look on her face when she finds out that Baam is now stronger than full powered White.

I am still mad that we have to bear with that bitch .

I really don't want to see her again .

She will get everything she wanted when she did nothing for it .

She will come back and backstab semeone in the back , Baam will get mad , In front off Baam power , she will realize that even with Gustang help she is still trash .

She will proceed to cry , lament how poor her luck is . Baam will forgive her and she won't come back until she get to find a new backstabing opportunity .

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I honestly can't see how semeone who is not a irregular could possibly defeat one . What type off PU could allow that .

Even if White was to eat soul off people off a whole floor i don't that hapenning , he would need a irregular soul or a admin soul .

 

[O_n_Sly]

There is absolutely no trust between Lyb, Yas, and Mas! Mas not getting a portal is not a good sign.

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Can White still eat souls if he no longer has the demon? I don’t think so!

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RoZA looking real inept with all these secrets! RIP Mule Love it’s been real! Hopefully Asensio commanded Boss Rat to provide TeamBaam with mice!

 

[Brian Taboada]

My interpretation is that one is connected to the Lo Po Bia family and the other is connected to Zahards army. A small distinction as it might be. It would make no sense that both are going to the same place. This might allow the mysterious "Captain" to enter the battle as well. As he probably is related to Zahards army and takes a great interest in this battle through his minions and the things he sat up with the ancient heroes.

So far what Asenio is saying only makes partial sense. Zahard is giving everything up for Lo Po Bia to fight against the Po Bidau for the Zahard Army . He let the 5th corps be destroyed and is giving Baam to Lo Po Bia with nothing in return. Furthermore, such a scheme seems impossible to hide. A lot of eggs in one basket considering we are far far away from an actual fight between Lo Po Bia to fight against the Po Bidau and Lyboric is a Po Bia / Khun. I thin Asenio is hiding something or at the min, leaving something out. We already know Zahard cant see the fate of irregulars. Thus I cant see this strategy working without something a little more to count on in such a huge battle

 

[AM21]

Baam is surrounded by untrustworthy people
1 Dorky snake hair guy
2 Armor guy named Kel i think?
3 Errand boy Asensio
4 Vincente I'm just biding my time
5 Khun gets added for helping resurrect White behind Baam's back

Khun litually did it to save Bams life though? I would have thought an untrustworthy person would mean they could actually betray you. Khun may lie and do things behind Bams back but it’s always been with good intentions for Bam, he’d never turn against Bam, like all the other characters you named could, so I feel like it’s definitely unfair comparing him to them.