Fantasy (Human) Selene vs Eileen

[Vex_Haid]

@Vex_Haid

Gildarts is Bluenote tier

before timeskip? sure

Bluenote was effortlessly one shotted by base Natsu.

Yep

since there is absolutely no proof Gildarts improved, that means August is a bit above Bluenote.

Uh no, there is proof that gildarts imporved, before timeskip he had trouble with bluenote who current natsu effortlessly one shotted, the same natsu that couldn't touch god serena, the same serena that got one shotted by gildarts, the same gildarts that was getting shitted on by august.
in other words, Natsu one shots August and Gildarts


nope

your girl got one shotted in her strongest form by completely broken Erza

yep, cause she isn't resistant to DS magic

and then she was almost KO'ed while coughing blood when Erza was still completely broken and out of power by a mere headbutt
plot, otherwise that would mean that ajeel>irene because irene was playing around with a healthy erza

and more proof that its plot is because before erza got injured from deus sema and dragon irene, a healthy and enchanted version of herself did this to irene

and she was perfectly fine, and heres her taking an attack from a bloodlusted enchanted erza to the face and not feeling anything (sure she was bleeding but that doesnt mean that she felt pain)

so everything you just posted got debunked already

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and Gildarts being on or above BDSK simply means he improved

no proof of that

unless you want to argue Gildarts is still Bluenote tier which makes August and Irene barely above Bluenote tier
already debunked it

 

[Ramen]

so canon = idiot now? the scan above me proves that gildarts is to strong for the BDSK and he is fodder to irene and most spriggans, and ofc this doesn't means that gildarts>DGs it just means that if gildarts was with team natsu then he would wipe out every enemy and then they would instantly make it to the DG's which would be boring

Gildarts get's neg diffed by Suzaku.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Gildarts get's neg diffed by Suzaku.

K

 

[sharkai]

Sure, FT lost all last arc, literally every single member of Team Natsu. They always come back to win one way or another, but losing isn't particularly uncommon.
Maybe, we'll see. Like I said on the chapter discussion, I think Laxus might end up losing.
So? The actual Acno was taken out with Natsu's BS too.

that is a good strategy. always keep your hope low so you can have a nice surprise.

that has nothing to do with it. Acno lost to natsu sure, and all God dragons will too. but that seems to have no relationship to foot soldier. now if we had something hades vs fairy tail then yeah sure. but god dragons seems above that. so erza or laxus handling a weaker than springgan tier bdsk shouldnt really effect the story.
and springgan hype. brandish feat in 100 year quest is shocking no matter how you put

Selene saying Suzaku is strong enough to match her human form is pretty much the most hype any character in the manga has ever had to date, with the sole exception of the dragon gods themselves who were hyped as Acno tier. The spriggan hype is literally garbage next to that, literal garbage. Even Mavis and Brandish wanking August and Eileen is basically dogshit in comparison.

nope. selene is a liar. and what are you gonna do if wendy or lucy start enduring hits from a bdsk. how will you rank them compared to say august (who you think is one shot material to human acno).

So? Tartaros Gray can oneshot Mard, don't make him stronger than he is.

i think this is more of technical problem
if i ask you who would win between mard and des tartarus gray. you will most likely say mard mid diff (maybe)
and
if i ask you who would win between August and Eileen, you are gonna say August looooooooooooooow diff.

 

[Seven777]

that is a good strategy. always keep your hope low so you can have a nice surprise.

that has nothing to do with it. Acno lost to natsu sure, and all God dragons will too. but that seems to have no relationship to foot soldier. now if we had something hades vs fairy tail then yeah sure. but god dragons seems above that. so erza or laxus handling a weaker than springgan tier bdsk shouldnt really effect the story.
and springgan hype. brandish feat in 100 year quest is shocking no matter how you put



nope. selene is a liar. and what are you gonna do if wendy or lucy start enduring hits from a bdsk. how will you rank them compared to say august (who you think is one shot material to human acno).

Yep, exactly.

Has everything to do with it. Stronger final bosses means stronger foot soldiers. Mashima could've just made Spriggans Demon Gate tier, but he didn't, because they needed to be at a greater level to take Acno.
As for God Dragons being above that, are they really? Suzaku beat Selene's human form. Team Fairy Tail took down Aldaron.
As for Brandish, sure, it was cool. But this is post timeskip Brandish and is still nowhere even close to Suzaku's hype, still pretty much dogshit in comparison.

The same thing I did when Cobra took hits from Acno, shrug it off as him not trying hard enough. And maybe Selene is lying, maybe, but it certainly doesn't look like it. Suzaku fucked her up. His sword sliced through the bitch. And there's also literally no point in lying about her human form. She was trying to intimidate Suzaku and everyone else there. To convince them that they were no match for her so she could dominate them. Lying about how weak her human form is, is pointless, at least as far as I've seen.

i think this is more of technical problem
if i ask you who would win between mard and des tartarus gray. you will most likely say mard mid diff (maybe)
and
if i ask you who would win between August and Eileen, you are gonna say August looooooooooooooow diff.

Perhaps. and I'd certainly be weeeeelllll within my rights to do so, because August and Eileen are equals, while Gray is basically dirt to Mard.
However, even with that in mind, I've said before, Eileen could take out August too, he's FAR from unbeatable to Eileen.

A much more measured opinion than yours, correct? After all, you think it's IMPOSSIBLE for August to beat Eileen because you think :
1. August doesn't know DS magic
2. You can't break through a dragon's scales without DS magic.
Which makes you trying to pick apart my opinion and claim bias on these two so hilarious. Because you literally think the same thing you're claiming I do, but for Eileen instead. Despite the two being equals, you think Eileen has certain victory over August lmao. Yet another double standard added to the list.

 

[sharkai]

Has everything to do with it. Stronger final bosses means stronger foot soldiers. Mashima could've just made Spriggans Demon Gate tier, but he didn't, because they needed to be at a greater level to take Acno.
As for God Dragons being above that, are they really? Suzaku beat Selene's human form. Team Fairy Tail took down Aldaron.
As for Brandish, sure, it was cool. But this is post timeskip Brandish and is still nowhere even close to Suzaku's hype, still pretty much dogshit in comparison.

springgan still had no level for acno. they were hyped only for fairy tail. nothing to do with acno.
aldron lost because he wanted to lose. his seeds were super weak. springgan tier trash.
how brandish magic made dragon aldo eat dirt

The same thing I did when Cobra took hits from Acno, shrug it off as him not trying hard enough. And maybe Selene is lying, maybe, but it certainly doesn't look like it. Suzaku fucked her up. His sword sliced through the bitch. And there's also literally no point in lying about her human form. She was trying to intimidate Suzaku and everyone else there. To convince them that they were no match for her so she could dominate them. Lying about how weak her human form is, is pointless, at least as far as I've seen.

there are two possiblity for suzaku not be human acno tier. one selene just sh1tting with him to get to his master. and another where acno makes a suprise visit and serenas one of these god dragons. both are, i think possible.

Perhaps. and I'd certainly be weeeeelllll within my rights to do so, because August and Eileen are equals, while Gray is basically dirt to Mard.
However, even with that in mind, I've said before, Eileen could take out August too, he's FAR from unbeatable to Eileen.

A much more measured opinion than yours, correct? After all, you think it's IMPOSSIBLE for August to beat Eileen because you think :
1. August doesn't know DS magic
2. You can't break through a dragon's scales without DS magic.
Which makes you trying to pick apart my opinion and claim bias on these two so hilarious. Because you literally think the same thing you're claiming I do, but for Eileen instead. Despite the two being equals, you think Eileen has certain victory over August lmao. Yet another double standard added to the list.

i dont have double standard. i told you, you have um

that is also technical.
i claim august cant copy ds, because before this 100 year quest, you couldnt even learn ds without dragon being involved. we have never seen no ds hurt dragon, irrespective of their powers (i dont like this concept, but that is all we have till now).
my opnion is dragon eileen and august are same, one specialize in hax and other in strength. technically august should easily have a shadow body or something intangible. which would make it impposible for eileen to beat him either. my opnion about eileen being superior is only because when eileen revealed her true powers, she elevated. when august did it, he went down.

 

[Seven777]

springgan still had no level for acno. they were hyped only for fairy tail. nothing to do with acno.
aldron lost because he wanted to lose. his seeds were super weak. springgan tier trash.
how brandish magic made dragon aldo eat dirt



there are two possiblity for suzaku not be human acno tier. one selene just sh1tting with him to get to his master. and another where acno makes a suprise visit and serenas one of these god dragons. both are, i think possible.



i dont have double standard. i told you, you have um

that is also technical.
i claim august cant copy ds, because before this 100 year quest, you couldnt even learn ds without dragon being involved. we have never seen no ds hurt dragon, irrespective of their powers (i dont like this concept, but that is all we have till now).
my opnion is dragon eileen and august are same, one specialize in hax and other in strength. technically august should easily have a shadow body or something intangible. which would make it impposible for eileen to beat him either. my opnion about eileen being superior is only because when eileen revealed her true powers, she elevated. when august did it, he went down.

So? Mashima made them a cut above Demon Gates, he's doing the same for the BDSK. The threat is greater, FT needs to be greater too.
Aldaron lost because Fairy Tail beat him.
That was Gajeel boosted by Brandish. Suzaku fucking up Selene is leagues more impressive. Leagues. It's why people were losing their minds and still are to this day.

Why? She was literally trying to intimidate him to force him to submit. Acno is dead.
Neither of these points are very convincing.

What's technical about it? Tempesta was Tartaros Gray tier. What happened to him when he fought slayer advantage?
Yeah, and that's what makes you bringing up "Oooh, you think Eileen is fodder to August" out of nowhere so hilarious. You don't think they're equal. You think Eileen is superior. You think Eileen can beat August, but August can't beat Eileen. You don't even think August has shadow body, because you don't think he keeps powers that he's learned after the fight is done for some reason.
Like I told you, I say August and Eileen are equals more than you do, guaranteed. You're showcasing this in this very argument

 

[grey matter]

Why did this become August vs Eileen lol?

IMO August and Eileen are same tier, with August having the edge (this is how it is, by both feats and portrayal). Each have the capabilities to take down each other.
August can copy DS magic and take down Eileen. Eileen has the brute strength to take down August as well, considering she almost one shotted Erza (the claw attack did more damage to Erza than everything else Eileen did combined)

A fight between them will last less than a minute. A clean blow from August will one shot dragon Eileen, and human Eileen can literally do nothing against August
A couple of clean shots from Eileen can defeat August as well, since IMO August is probably 2x as durable as x792 Erza. And Eileen has enchantments which could allow her to bypass immunity if August potentially uses Ajeel's magic

So, if they fought, 9/10 times August wins.

 

[sharkai]

Why did this become August vs Eileen lol?

IMO August and Eileen are same tier, with August having the edge (this is how it is, by both feats and portrayal). Each have the capabilities to take down each other.
August can copy DS magic and take down Eileen. Eileen has the brute strength to take down August as well, considering she almost one shotted Erza (the claw attack did more damage to Erza than everything else Eileen did combined)

A fight between them will last less than a minute. A clean blow from August will one shot dragon Eileen, and human Eileen can literally do nothing against August
A couple of clean shots from Eileen can defeat August as well, since IMO August is probably 2x as durable as x792 Erza. And Eileen has enchantments which could allow her to bypass immunity if August potentially uses Ajeel's magic

So, if they fought, 9/10 times August wins.

Seven777 like you, thinks Eileen is a fodder. So basically I cut her name and added another August. He didn't like it
I like how they are equal and August wins 9/10. Lol

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So? Mashima made them a cut above Demon Gates, he's doing the same for the BDSK. The threat is greater, FT needs to be greater too.
Aldaron lost because Fairy Tail beat him.
That was Gajeel boosted by Brandish. Suzaku fucking up Selene is leagues more impressive. Leagues. It's why people were losing their minds and still are to this day.

Why? She was literally trying to intimidate him to force him to submit. Acno is dead.
Neither of these points are very convincing.

What's technical about it? Tempesta was Tartaros Gray tier. What happened to him when he fought slayer advantage?
Yeah, and that's what makes you bringing up "Oooh, you think Eileen is fodder to August" out of nowhere so hilarious. You don't think they're equal. You think Eileen is superior. You think Eileen can beat August, but August can't beat Eileen. You don't even think August has shadow body, because you don't think he keeps powers that he's learned after the fight is done for some reason.
Like I told you, I say August and Eileen are equals more than you do, guaranteed. You're showcasing this in this very argument

For hype. Bdsk doesn't have that.
The threat isn't greater. Nor does fairy tail seems to think so

People were losing their mind because they like to eat up all the hype mishma throws at them. At the end of the arc, all of them foaming from the mouth.

No she wasn't. After suzaku told her about her son. She changed

As I said, I try not to be bais. Unlike you. I already told you Eileen secret raised her, meanwhile August magic was just cheat magic. I said August might not be able to keep his magic. I never said it confirmed

Overall they hit the same. If I ever say one hit is superior, I normally mention featwise

No you don't.

 

[Seven777]

Seven777 like you, thinks Eileen is a fodder. So basically I cut her name and added another August. He didn't like it
I like how they are equal and August wins 9/10. Lol

You're the one who thinks she's weaker than Erza. greymatter and I probably rate Eileen higher than you do honestly. I doubt he'd say Erza has a 1/10 shot of beating August.

For hype. Bdsk doesn't have that.
The threat isn't greater. Nor does fairy tail seems to think so

People were losing their mind because they like to eat up all the hype mishma throws at them. At the end of the arc, all of them foaming from the mouth.

No she wasn't. After suzaku told her about her son. She changed

As I said, I try not to be bais. Unlike you. I already told you Eileen secret raised her, meanwhile August magic was just cheat magic. I said August might not be able to keep his magic. I never said it confirmed

Overall they hit the same. If I ever say one hit is superior, I normally mention featwise

No you don't.

BDSK have significantly more hype than Spriggans have. Even August's hype is basically dogshit in comparison to being stated human Acno tier.
Sure it is and yes they do.

Yes, exactly, including you. That's how dumbfounded Suzaku's victory left people.

She literally said "You have no shot against me, don't even try" then proceeded to crush them with her Reiatsu magic power. She wanted them to fear her. Besides, she had already accomplished what she wanted out of Suzaku underestimating her, Georg was dead.

No you don't? You've admitted as much yourself. And you can tell me "Eileen's secret raised her" all you like. That doesn't change the fact that you think Eileen is August's superior despite manga statements, it's not like I couldn't come up with an argument for August. And yet here you are, bringing up me thinking August is stronger as though it's some gotcha lmao. So even if what you claimed was true, and I thought August was more powerful, at the end of the day it's still just me doing the same thing you're doing. Like I said, it's laughable.

So in an August vs Eileen debate, someone says Dragon Eileen can't hurt August due to intangibility magic he has, you buy that?

I do. Just look at this thread. You're saying Eileen is stronger, I'm saying they're equal. You're not even willing to take a break from calling Eileen superior in this very conversation long enough to prove this point lmao.

 

[sharkai]

You're the one who thinks she's weaker than Erza. greymatter and I probably rate Eileen higher than you do honestly. I doubt he'd say Erza has a 1/10 shot of beating August.

no i dont. i dont even think erza is human eileen level
yes i know, anyone with ds can take out eileen. and no can one not name acno can take out august. i know how he thinks they are equal

yes they do

where are they worried. where is the hopelessness in fairy tail members that in this arc

Yes, exactly, including you. That's how dumbfounded Suzaku's victory left people.

not me. i havent ranked him on human acno tier. i am waiting. just like i waited after erza vs ajeel, unlike most people here.
as far as i am concerned, suzaku has proven to be able to one shot kiria tier. nothing more

She literally said "You have no shot against me, don't even try" then proceeded to crush them with her Reiatsu magic power. She wanted them to fear her. Besides, she had already accomplished what she wanted out of Suzaku underestimating her, Georg was dead.

No you don't? You've admitted as much yourself. And you can tell me "Eileen's secret raised her" all you like. That doesn't change the fact that you think Eileen is August's superior despite manga statements, it's not like I couldn't come up with an argument for August. And yet here you are, bringing up me thinking August is stronger as though it's some gotcha lmao. So even if what you claimed was true, and I thought August was more powerful, at the end of the day it's still just me doing the same thing you're doing. Like I said, it's laughable.

So in an August vs Eileen debate, someone says Dragon Eileen can't hurt August due to intangibility magic he has, you buy that?

I do. Just look at this thread. You're saying Eileen is stronger, I'm saying they're equal. You're not even willing to take a break from calling Eileen superior in this very conversation long enough to prove this point lmao.

and she is partnering with them. i am gonna wait

there is no manga statement saying august is superior. only august himself claims it. for others he is seen as human eileen level. that is all.
nope. i say why and stuffs.
august and eileen are overall equal. eileen doesnt have any cancerous weakness you people made out. august is immune to magical attack. and might be able to be immune to physical as well

pretty much. we dont know and havent seen august use it. but it is not magic that should be hard for him. infact i think i have mentioned it before

no you are saying august beats her. greymatter says they are equal and then proceeds to say august wins 9/10. that is basically you as well.
and mind you. i brought this up, knowing how you think anyone with ds can one shot dragon eileen. that is why i cut eileen and put another august there. you know, save you the time of saying eileen gets one shot from acno glare and then real fight begins with august

 

[Seven777]

no i dont. i dont even think erza is human eileen level
yes i know, anyone with ds can take out eileen. and no can one not name acno can take out august. i know how he thinks they are equal




where are they worried. where is the hopelessness in fairy tail members that in this arc



not me. i havent ranked him on human acno tier. i am waiting. just like i waited after erza vs ajeel, unlike most people here.
as far as i am concerned, suzaku has proven to be able to one shot kiria tier. nothing more



and she is partnering with them. i am gonna wait

there is no manga statement saying august is superior. only august himself claims it. for others he is seen as human eileen level. that is all.
nope. i say why and stuffs.
august and eileen are overall equal. eileen doesnt have any cancerous weakness you people made out. august is immune to magical attack. and might be able to be immune to physical as well

pretty much. we dont know and havent seen august use it. but it is not magic that should be hard for him. infact i think i have mentioned it before

no you are saying august beats her. greymatter says they are equal and then proceeds to say august wins 9/10. that is basically you as well.
and mind you. i brought this up, knowing how you think anyone with ds can one shot dragon eileen. that is why i cut eileen and put another august there. you know, save you the time of saying eileen gets one shot from acno glare and then real fight begins with august

I don't know what the second line means, but pretty sure you said PoF Erza>Eileen

Worried? Hopeless? Why would they feel any of that?

Oh, I know, that's part of your "foaming". For some the "foaming" is because of excess copium getting you high, for others it's hype for new villains, and for yet more it's just from laughter at how fucked the power levels are.

Yeah? Why is Selene lying?

You're giving me shit, calling me bias, for supposedly thinking August>Eileen. While simultaneously telling me Eileen>August. Dumb. That's all I can say.

 

[sharkai]

I don't know what the second line means, but pretty sure you said PoF Erza>Eileen

Worried? Hopeless? Why would they feel any of that?

Oh, I know, that's part of your "foaming". For some the "foaming" is because of excess copium getting you high, for others it's hype for new villains, and for yet more it's just from laughter at how fucked the power levels are.

Yeah? Why is Selene lying?

You're giving me shit, calling me bias, for supposedly thinking August>Eileen. While simultaneously telling me Eileen>August. Dumb. That's all I can say.

yeah just like pof natsu>FH Zeref
that pof is not something erza can do.

that was the theme for springgans

i dont foam, not even when erza lost.

i dont know. i am just waiting. i dont really have a position now. i think erza and laxus will most likely defeat a bdsk solo. i still wont think them anywhere near human acno.

but you are bias. you know that. so what is the problem.
Eileen>August is my opinion because of dragon thing and august cheap hax. i have no problem saying August>=Eileen or vise versa. but if someone gonna say august can beat eileen 9/10 lol. what do you want from me. you really think eileen can be one shot by august or laxus with ds (And then you go on saying Eileen is equal to August). i just followed your already held belief and then said Human Acno vs August +Eileen another August.
because you are just gonna say that is just Acno vs August, Eileen is non facter. and you can replace Acno with Suzaku, you will say the same

 

[Seven777]

yeah just like pof natsu>FH Zeref
that pof is not something erza can do.

that was the theme for springgans

i dont foam, not even when erza lost.

i dont know. i am just waiting. i dont really have a position now. i think erza and laxus will most likely defeat a bdsk solo. i still wont think them anywhere near human acno.

but you are bias. you know that. so what is the problem.
Eileen>August is my opinion because of dragon thing and august cheap hax. i have no problem saying August>=Eileen or vise versa. but if someone gonna say august can beat eileen 9/10 lol. what do you want from me. you really think eileen can be one shot by august or laxus with ds (And then you go on saying Eileen is equal to August). i just followed your already held belief and then said Human Acno vs August +Eileen another August.
because you are just gonna say that is just Acno vs August, Eileen is non facter. and you can replace Acno with Suzaku, you will say the same

I agree. It's not something Erza can do.

Not really. Most of them were a joke. The only ones that seemed "hopeless" were Bloodman and Dimaria. And the latter ended up turning into a vegetable.

Uhuh, keep telling yourself that.

If they do, that just means they're human Acno tier. Unless Selene reveals she was lying later.

Hm? Bias? That's an odd thing to say. I'm the one saying August and EIleen are equal after all, not you.
Except you think Eileen beats August 10/10. He has no way to damage her according to you, it'd be a no-diff win for her 10/10 times. You're worse than greymatter in that regard.
Why would I not say Eileen and August is equal because of that? I think Tempesta and Tartaros Gray are roughly equal in power. An even better question, why would I assume August can't when Erza can?
I don't know what you're talking about with the Eileen stuff at the end.

 

[Raven]

Serene oneshots.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Irene stomps

 

[sharkai]

If they do, that just means they're human Acno tier. Unless Selene reveals she was lying later.

this might happen

Hm? Bias? That's an odd thing to say. I'm the one saying August and EIleen are equal after all, not you.
Except you think Eileen beats August 10/10. He has no way to damage her according to you, it'd be a no-diff win for her 10/10 times. You're worse than greymatter in that regard.

but i never say that. you are making things up. i even cal dues sema strong as august top tier move and august needs that to take it out

Why would I not say Eileen and August is equal because of that? I think Tempesta and Tartaros Gray are roughly equal in power. An even better question, why would I assume August can't when Erza can?

sadly for you august is not a ds. and nor can ds causally one shot dragons, in their own tier.

I don't know what you're talking about with the Eileen stuff at the end.

this is what pi$$ed you off. when i casually mentioned that you think eileen is non factor when ds are involved. the most weakest ds, out there

 

[Seven777]

this might happen


but i never say that. you are making things up. i even cal dues sema strong as august top tier move and august needs that to take it out


sadly for you august is not a ds. and nor can ds causally one shot dragons, in their own tier.



this is what pi$$ed you off. when i casually mentioned that you think eileen is non factor when ds are involved. the most weakest ds, out there

Sure.

So in an Eileen vs August debate, you just say it's a draw? I'll keep that in mind.

Say he is a DS, why wouldn't August be able oneshot her dragon form when Erza could?

Did I get pissed? As I recall I just said "I say August=Eileen more than you" or something along those lines. Sounds like you're more upset about me supposedly thinking Eileen is a non-factor(She is. Selene oneshots her dragon form and if you think otherwise you're insane.)

 

[grey matter]

Seven777 like you, thinks Eileen is a fodder. So basically I cut her name and added another August. He didn't like it
I like how they are equal and August wins 9/10. Lol

I don't think Eileen is fodder lol
She's fodder relative to Selene.
If it makes you feel better, August is also complete fodder to Selene as well. There you go, happy?

Yeah, they are in same tier and August wins 9/10 times. What is funny there? Abilities make a difference you know? Dimaria and Wahl are in the same tier. Yet, Dimaria wins that fight 10/10 times because of her abilities. Seven777 has given you similar examples too.
August has the most overpowered ability in the entire verse, till date. Honestly, if I'm using abilities he should've technically copied (like all Spriggans' magic except Wahl/Bradman/Larcade), but haven't demonstrated, then August wins 10/10 times too.
My 9/10 number is purely based on him having what he was shown to have copied on screen : Crime Sorceire's magic, fire DS magic, Crash, spells he has uniquely shown and enchantments which he will copy in battle with Eileen.

yes i know, anyone with ds can take out eileen. and no can one not name acno can take out august. i know how he thinks they are equal

Keep making up stuff lol, you're good at it. I've never stated nothing like this at all.

In x792, the characters who can take down August are:
- Acno, any form, one shot
- Zeref, base = high diff, FH = stomp
- DF Natsu, low diff
- Animus, wins 9/10 times
- dragon Eileen, wins 1/10 times

In x793, there are plenty of characters who can take him down - DF Natsu, all DGs (any form), George, BDSK, Erza (small chance)

 

[Axiomus]

And if gray plus erza defeats a bdsk together. That would mean ...

Not much, unless the BDSK are stated to all be at the same level.

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I am lost in the whole Irene vs August debate. Selene >>> August/Irene combined.

What is not up for debate is Selene's standing as an Acno tier. She's already confirmed to be stronger than Aldoron and Mercphobia. The only thing that is maybe up for debate is whether or not Selene is lying about Suzaku being stronger than her. But that doesn't affect the outcome here. Either Suzaku owns Irene too, or Selene was acting against Suzaku. Either way, Selene is still stronger than Erza, Natsu, or anyone else that can beat Irene's dragon form.