One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[grey matter]

Exactly like why are comparing this???

anyways this is my the ranking of yc1
ben beckman
Marco
King
katakuri

they are all same tier but all not on the same lvl of strength

Ben Beckman is probably a solid admiral tier (he has similar portrayal as Rayleigh, Oden and Zoro, i.e closer to their captains than typical no2s)

But apart him, yea. They can all give each other a good fight, and have their own areas they excel at.

If Ben Beckman is say 10, Marco is 8, King is 7. Katakuri is 6.9

 

[HereNThere]

I'd say Ben Beckman is set to be the only stand out of that group of characters, only because of the implications of supplementary material. The rest, I'd say could go any way depending on who's having a good or bad day.

I feel like this thread has been discussing top tiers for months now. Understandable given the way things are going, but let's give the little guys a shot. With Oda going back to easing up on the necessity of haki, what's in store for the Weak Trio?

Chopper hasn't had a solo fight in years and that doesn't look to be changing anytime soon, but he'll have to get one eventually. His "bout" with Queen shows he's still exceedingly ill-equipped for tough opponents, despite increasing his Monster Form's time limit.

Nami has Zeus and the Shapeshifting Clima-Tact now, but she was similarly overpowered in a direct confrontation. And while Zeus offers her Aim-Assist, but that might not be enough against a healthy opponent.

Ussop has CoO, which I imagine will eventually be top tier, but his ammunition seems to lack some AP. Page One withstood the strongest Pop Greens he's shown so far and was barely phased.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'd say Ben Beckman is set to be the only stand out of that group of characters, only because of the implications of supplementary material. The rest, I'd say could go any way depending on who's having a good or bad day.

Beckman > the rest

I have a feeling Shiryu is going to be a stand out as well

 

[I Am Atomic]

I would give the W to King in this matchup because of his AOE.

Already said how AoE can be countered. Future sight hasn't shown any weakness to AoE, it's fans making things up.
Luffy black mamba Vs Katakuri. He dodged everything. That attack covered a huge area.

 

[HereNThere]

Beckman > the rest

I have a feeling Shiryu is going to be a stand out as well

I forgot about Shiryu. Yeah, given the eventual plot relevance of the BB Pirates, he's most definitely going to be a cut above the rest as well. I'm actually excited to see what Oda does with him.

 

[grey matter]

Already said how AoE can be countered. Future sight hasn't shown any weakness to AoE, it's fans making things up.
Luffy black mamba Vs Katakuri. He dodged everything. That attack covered a huge area.

Dude, that's not AOE lol. That's just Luffy punching really fast. Plus, I don't even think Katakuri dodged them, the attacks were fast enough that he relied on the good old armament haki and blocked them

 

[I Am Atomic]

I forgot about Shiryu. Yeah, given the eventual plot relevance of the BB Pirates, he's most definitely going to be a cut above the rest as well. I'm actually excited to see what Oda does with him.

Also the fact he has invisible fruit. When Queen went invisible, Sanji couldn't sense him even though he is a CoO specialist. So the fruit won't be useless.
I think Sanji sensed Queen when the floor board squeaked (I could be wrong, my memory isn't what it used to be).

 

[grey matter]

Also the fact he has invisible fruit. When Queen went invisible, Sanji couldn't sense him even though he is a CoO specialist. So the fruit won't be useless.
I think Sanji sensed Queen when the floor board squeaked (I could be wrong, my memory isn't what it used to be).

Yep

I hope higher levels of mastery over that DF should allow you to negate observation haki accordingly. How else would you buff up that fruit lol

 

[Pirate Queen]

Also the fact he has invisible fruit. When Queen went invisible, Sanji couldn't sense him even though he is a CoO specialist. So the fruit won't be useless.
I think Sanji sensed Queen when the floor board squeaked (I could be wrong, my memory isn't what it used to be).

Yeah the floorboards squeaked.

How invisibility bypasses basic CoO is strange.

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Yep

I hope higher levels of mastery over that DF should allow you to negate observation haki accordingly. How else would you buff up that fruit lol

The mechanics of CoO is to sense something not physically there yet Invisibility works against it.... make it make sense

 

[HereNThere]

Also the fact he has invisible fruit. When Queen went invisible, Sanji couldn't sense him even though he is a CoO specialist. So the fruit won't be useless.
I think Sanji sensed Queen when the floor board squeaked (I could be wrong, my memory isn't what it used to be).

Eh, I feel that scene was just tossed in by Oda to show off Sanji's new speed. Sanji was able to pinpoint Queen's neck for his Collier Coup, so I'd say that shows he was able to sense him to some extent. Unless Sanji's a bat or Daredevil, a creaking floorboard shouldn't give Sanji that much information on where he was kicking Queen.

CoO and invisibility is really weird though.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Dude, that's not AOE lol. That's just Luffy punching really fast. Plus, I don't even think Katakuri dodged them, the attacks were fast enough that he relied on the good old armament haki and blocked them

I was only half right

 

[Pirate Queen]

Eh, I feel that scene was just tossed in by Oda to show off Sanji's new speed. Sanji was able to pinpoint Queen's neck for his Collier Coup, so I'd say that shows he was able to sense him to some extent. Unless Sanji's a bat or Daredevil, a creaking floorboard shouldn't give Sanji that much information on where he was kicking Queen.

Luck? Queen is a huge target

 

[HereNThere]

Luck? Queen is a huge target

Then it really would've been awkward if Sanji yelled out Neck Meat basically, only to find out he was kicking Queen in the ass.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Then it really would've been awkward if Sanji yelled out Neck Meat basically, only to find out he was kicking Queen in the ass.

Not if it's the neck of the butt

 

[HereNThere]

Not if it's the neck of the butt

Sanji could play it off because he's the only one to speak French. No one could call him out on it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I was only half right

King would still need the speed feats that come with losing his durability to bypass Katakuri's speed. It still wouldn't be enough to bypass Kata's FS

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Sanji could play it off because he's the only one to speak French. No one could call him out on it.

I like how you think

 

[I Am Atomic]

I just read the chapter and the cream sound was going towards the girl. So Sanji knew where Queen was headed and most likely knew where the neck would be. Just an assumption.

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King would still need the speed feats that come with losing his durability to bypass Katakuri's speed. It still wouldn't be enough to bypass Kata's FS

Even with Luffy's fastest attack (Black Mamba is the fastest striking snake in the world I believe), Katakuri only got hit once or twice (on the wound).

Also, the way he used his DF to dodge everything. Just too good

 

[Pirate Queen]

I just read the chapter and the cream sound was going towards the girl. So Sanji knew where Queen was headed and most likely knew where the neck would be. Just an assumption.

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Even with Luffy's fastest attack (Black Mamba is the fastest striking snake in the world I believe), Katakuri only got hit once or twice (on the wound).

Also, the way he used his DF to dodge everything. Just too good

I think people are dealing with that, because King came after Katakuri that means King is stronger. It's a thought process in manga that I forget the word for. But basically it's the belief that villains get stronger as the story progresses.

Agenda bias can play a role, but I'm starting to think that's not what's happening here.

We've gotten to the point where Katakuri tanking G4 punches is downplayed because ACoC was introduced and people forgot how devastating it is when your not fighting someone like Kaido or Big Mom

 

[Fox666]

lol at invincible Katakuri….Didn’t Sanji make him miss with his godly CoO….Luffy was countering CoO naturally from the beginning…Katakuri got frustrated because Luffy would dodge or simply not give up…CoO doesn’t allow you 100% accuracy…or did we forget Luffy dodged Katakuri spear countless times before he developed his own aCoO

Katakuri CoO worked as intended, he got a 2nd chance

He saw Pudding wouldn't kill Sanji, so he shot at him first

But sometimes 2 tries is not enough

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Honestly @Pirate Queen I think you're making all this Katakuri is Godlike and >>>> King just because it was Luffy who fought him... you're just being BS over your fav character when it's pretty obvious that as "Right hand" of Yonko those guys are close in strength.
They each other have ways to damage and block each other.
Out of 10 fights I believe, even though I don't know for sure who, one of them would win 6/10 with high dif.
Katakuri sure does have the potential to reach Yonko level with all 3 hakis but he isn't invincible nor way above King.
All Commanders we've seen so far are impressive on their own way and can all give each other an extrem high dif fight with each of them having the chances of winning