Hangout Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Hangout Thread

[Meliodaf]

This has been probably asked already, but is there any reason why Arthur can't just wipe off Meliodas and Liones off the map? How is Liones a threat to Arthur?

Doesn’t look like there is

 

[Rizaadxn]

This has been probably asked already, but is there any reason why Arthur can't just wipe off Meliodas and Liones off the map? How is Liones a threat to Arthur?

There is no explanation as for why he hasn't done so yet. As far as we're concerned Arthur should have obliterated Meliodas already, but hasn't done so due to Nakaba's ass writing.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't know if PLs are going to come back but Nakaba has avoided talking about the Sins's PL for a long time and it's much better like this IMO. In this interview he only talked about Mel in a form he lost. Much better because feats> numbers by far like in the second movie.

Still, knowing how strong Tristan was at 10 is rather interesting and I am curious to see how strong the current Lancelot is then. Fiddich definitely has no chances, but we'll see what Pelgarde can do.

How old is that interview?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

So has Tristan really gotten that strong in this age that he can kill Mel and Elie? So i guess he might have gone rogue

 

[Meliodaf]

I’m pretending power levels don’t exist from this point forward

 

[Demonspeed]

So has Tristan really gotten that strong in this age that he can kill Mel and Elie? So i guess he might have gone rogue

By "He would have killed" I think he is referring to himself?

He also says "He would have still destroyed Liones" so does it mean that Liones is currently in ruins or something?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

By "He would have killed" I think he is referring to himself?

He also says "He would have still destroyed Liones" so does it mean that Liones is currently in ruins or something?

I don't know like these guys and Lance are basically heading to liones and if it had been in ruins, sin would have told others
But yeah these things ain't making any clear sense

I guess we'll soon see it in the manga after all, liones might be the next arc in the series and with Lance reveal we're definitely heading to Lioness there we will get other information

 

[Anime VORTEX]

I honestly felt the current 4kota series is a mess

 

[Vortigern]

Powerlevels were one of the worst aspects of the series for me, so I was hoping that Nakaba would just quietly forget about or even outright retcon them in the sequel, especially since he stopped bringing them up at all towards the end of NNT. If they absolutely have to come back, they should at least be something reasonable instead of these completely absurd numbers. If Galand's strongest attack at 40k could only leave a flesh wound on Escanor at ~55k, what does it even mean to have a powerlevel of 10 million? The numbers are so big that it's impossible to make sense of them.

The comment about Tristan killing his parents is pretty weird, especially in the context of the powerlevels. Mel has lost his DK powers so he's not the 1 million mark anymore, but surely he must still be at over 100k at least? Are we to believe that Tristan is going to start off at that level, even though he's apparently going to be fighting Deathpierce in the movie? Oh boy. I could see Tristan presenting some sort of an unintentional threat to his parents though, since we know based on Mael that fusing goddess and demon powers doesn't really go well. It's understandable that Tristan would have some problems controlling his powers and it fits the idea that combining light and dark results in Chaos.

Current Meliodas doesn't even have 1M PL yet he's somehow still a threat to Arthur? This makes no sense. It's like trying to say BoS Meliodas is a threat to the DK.

It's worth noting that Merlin whose powerlevel was under 5k was able to dominate Chandler and Cussack at the same time even though each of them had a powerlevel close to 200k. Having the right hax can even out the raw numbers significantly. Meliodas' real magic was able to disintegrate the DK's arm, so perhaps Arthur is afraid of having to face whatever power that was?

He also says "He would have still destroyed Liones" so does it mean that Liones is currently in ruins or something?

I've been thinking about the possibility that something has happened to Liones in the last 6 years. The way that Sin always talked about their destination gave me the impression that it was relatively close, but in NNT Liones was almost on the other side of the island compared to Camelot. There was also a potentially suspicious detail in chapter 24 when Sin showed the group a map of southern Britannia. A section of the map was ripped and Sin had his paw covering the rolled up paper so that the area just after the tangled forest wasn't visible. This could just be a case of Nakaba wanting to hide future locations from the audience, but I could see a scenario in which Liones was relocated closer to Camelot for some reason. That would also make Howzer's trip to Cant way more reasonable, as it would be a bit weird for the captain of the Liones knights to just randomly go visit a town so far from his home. If Donny and Edlin were being trained in Liones, the kingdom being relocated would also explain how they ended up so far from the kingdom despite being so weak.

Interestingly, in chapter 6 Sin mentioned that Liones was about 200 miles from their current location, which was near Paysan. If you look at the map of Britannia that shows the locations of Liones and Camelot, and the map of southern Britannia that shows the positions of Camelot and Paysan, and then compare the two with a map of the UK, it doesn't look like Liones is 200 miles from Paysan. In fact the distance is almost double that assuming they have to walk there. Roughly 200 miles would actually put the party right in the middle of the continent, which just so happens to be close to the section of Sin's map that wasn't visible. That's pretty suspicious, but in fairness it could be that Britannia isn't the same size as the actual British Isles, or that Nakaba botched the numbers, or that 200 miles was mistranslated, etc.

I have compiled a little graphic to illustrate my point. Graphic design is my passion and so on and so forth.

Spoiler: The big picture

 

[sobreno]

I honestly felt the current 4kota series is a mess

Naw, it is still fine for now.

 

[Meliodaf]

I honestly felt the current 4kota series is a mess

What makes you say that? I feel like it’s been fine thus far

 

[HereNThere]

That datebook stuff is wild, lol. Putting a number on Arthur and Chaos seems...counter productive? Feels like the concept should go beyond Balor's eye leveling.

Assuming the rest is also true:

I'm questioning the context of the Tristan stuff because that very much feels like something that shouldn't have been revealed in a question corner.

Lancelot being Sin level seem to have pretty much been confirmed.

 

[KillingerBlue]

10 million, damn that's too high for nnt verse

Tristan would have killed Meliodas and Elie in the first chapter????? Wtf is that and why would he do that, this seems very fake honestly
Might agree on Lancelot given how strong he is,
But the Tristan part just doesn't make any sense! Has he gotten evil or something?

Nakaba most likely mean that HE as a writer would’ve killed off Meli and Elizabeth, not Tristan. Probably to push him to start his hero’s journey or smth.

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[Tristan]

Nakaba most likely mean that HE as a writer would’ve killed off Meli and Elizabeth, not Tristan. Probably to push him to start his hero’s journey or smth.

What about Tristan having a "hurtful past" according to the movie?

 

[Meliodaf]

Nakaba most likely mean that HE as a writer would’ve killed off Meli and Elizabeth, not Tristan. Probably to push him to start his hero’s journey or smth.

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Well that makes sense considering how Percival’s journey started…

 

[Rikudou King]

I've been thinking about the possibility that something has happened to Liones in the last 6 years. The way that Sin always talked about their destination gave me the impression that it was relatively close, but in NNT Liones was almost on the other side of the island compared to Camelot. There was also a potentially suspicious detail in chapter 24 when Sin showed the group a map of southern Britannia. A section of the map was ripped and Sin had his paw covering the rolled up paper so that the area just after the tangled forest wasn't visible. This could just be a case of Nakaba wanting to hide future locations from the audience, but I could see a scenario in which Liones was relocated closer to Camelot for some reason. That would also make Howzer's trip to Cant way more reasonable, as it would be a bit weird for the captain of the Liones knights to just randomly go visit a town so far from his home. If Donny and Edlin were being trained in Liones, the kingdom being relocated would also explain how they ended up so far from the kingdom despite being so weak.

Interestingly, in chapter 6 Sin mentioned that Liones was about 200 miles from their current location, which was near Paysan. If you look at the map of Britannia that shows the locations of Liones and Camelot, and the map of southern Britannia that shows the positions of Camelot and Paysan, and then compare the two with a map of the UK, it doesn't look like Liones is 200 miles from Paysan. In fact the distance is almost double that assuming they have to walk there. Roughly 200 miles would actually put the party right in the middle of the continent, which just so happens to be close to the section of Sin's map that wasn't visible. That's pretty suspicious, but in fairness it could be that Britannia isn't the same size as the actual British Isles, or that Nakaba botched the numbers, or that 200 miles was mistranslated, etc.

I have compiled a little graphic to illustrate my point. Graphic design is my passion and so on and so forth.

Spoiler: The big picture

The change in terrain could be due to the previous fight between Meliodas and his father, as we know the appearance of two demon kings was causing the environment to become chaotic. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there had been some major event since the previous series. I doubt Liones isn't more or less intact, otherwise I would expect Donny to question the idea of returning there. But I can see there being a previous conflict between Liones and Camelot, which could explain why Camelot is apparently gone and the widespread destruction that Arthur was able to use to recruit people like Ardbeg to his side.

 

[everythingnice]

There's no way Tristan would go evil and kill his parents if he was the protagonist! Either he accidentally went out of control like Meliodas did at Danafor but with different reasons or Nakaba meant himself to kill Mel and Ellie and not the character

umm if Tristan accidentally killed his parents I would be freaking hurt. It's very very traumatic for a child to have to kill his parents and I doubt Tristan would be able to redeem himself if he was actually evil nonetheless of his position in the story

I am even doubting Arthur's redemption at this point, if Nakaba adds Tristan to the evil list I would be the first to go nuts

But if Mel is dead because Tristan went evil for no apparent reason, who is the 'King of Liones'? Tristan? If so, why would he be good with Lancelot and on bad terms with Arthur?

Nakaba please hear my plea I want the sunshine Arthur back please please please let it be just Chaos controlling his mind pweeeeeej

 

[FKS]

Latest tweet from the 4KoA account:

TL:
~#Nakaba-sensei's doodle~
Percival sees the golden original copy
shining before his own eyes...!
Pic: W… wow…

It refers to this:

TL:
[#4KoA bulletin board]
Here's the golden original copy of the prize
for the first appearance quizz implementeded in the third volume...
It looks like this!!
S… so blinding!!!
Congratulations to the selected winners!

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Anyway, back to the series.
Title of the next chapter: Confusion

There's also Q/As, doing them now.

 

[Giji Paw]

 

[FKS]

Q/As:

Spoiler

Q26: Mosa-Rella-san: Are there Holy Knights besides Balgis that defected from Arthur?
A: Quite a few.

Q27: Oldohra-san: Do the KNights of Chaos have classes like Holy Knights of Liones do?
A: They aren't divided the same way the Holy Knights of Liones are but they have classes.

Q28: Gudenoko-san: Baccho-sensei, which ramen do you like?
A: Soy sauce... no, salt... no, miso... no no, tonkotsu... no no no, soy sauce... (doesn't end)