Fairies don't really have exceptional abilities. They have transformation and heart reading, which Lancelot displayed already. Disaster that King has is the ultimate Magic of the Fairies that only the Fairy King has. Elaine's Magic was some kind of wind manipulation.
He is definitely a powerful Goddess but it's not like Ludociel and co are related to Elizabeth by blood or something.
Fairies don't really have exceptional abilities. They have transformation and heart reading, which Lancelot displayed already. Disaster that King has is the ultimate Magic of the Fairies that only the Fairy King has. Elaine's Magic was some kind of wind manipulation.
Fairies can manipulate nature though, like how Helbram manipulated tree's to slap King around or to control his own weapon in a fashion similar to the spirit spear. I'm sure Nakaba could expand on it.
There was an absence in the archangel ranks whilst Mael was a child in training, so Nanashi was probably the fourth archangel and then left for some reason.
I'm not so sure about the demons being made to fight under magical orders, since we just saw a village of demons that had apparently just refused to participate in the war. Some of them appear to have simply been evil, like the random red demon in Ban's side story that decided to burn down the Fairy King's Forest one day. I don't think the holy war being over in a day is really that meaningful here. That was the formal length of the war, but the lead up to it lasted for over a month and included the Ten Commandments wiping out villages, attacking Liones and taking control of Camelot. If you lost a loved one during that time, you'd probably just say it happened during the holy war, because it was part of the same conflict against the demons. It's not impossible for there to have been some trickery involved in the attack on Ardbeg's village, but it seems like an unnecessary twist when we know that the demons have already done things that would cause humans to hate them.
We were shown a few times that the lesser demons were under under the command of others - Zeldris was shown controlling the demons in Camelot when Merlin made her deal with him, and we were told that the demons being fought during the second Holy War were being controlled by Chandler and Cusack - this being the case was what made Eli's feat of making some of them lose the will to fight and leave impressive. The latter would explain why we where shown the demons leaving at the conclusion of the war, because both Chandler and Cusack had been killed by that point. And true, we were shown individual evil demons, but that was early on in the previous series. By the end, Nakaba had more or less retcon how villainous the majority of the demons were. So while it's possible that what we're told is all there is to it, that seems like it would go against the narrative being told. It's not that the second Holy War was over in a day, it's that it pretty much took place in a day, day and a half at most. It was the goddesses forming an alliance with them that made it a Holy War, as it was only referred to as such after that. I don't believe events before that would be considered a part of the war, considering there wasn't much fighting before that.
We've been told that the event that led to the demise of Camelot was the holy war against the demons, not a holy war against Liones. In fact we've never even heard about a holy war against Liones taking place, which wouldn't make much sense anyway since the holy wars involve the 5 major clans. Even the original holy war 3000 years ago only begun after the goddesses allied with the fairies, giants and humans, despite the fact that the demons and goddesses had already been fighting each other long before that. Camelot was also specifically wiped out in a single attack by the leader of the demons, which can only describe the second holy war, unless you believe Zeldris somehow showed up to wipe out the kingdom again with a new move. According to Donny, Arthur and his knights simply went into hiding after the destruction of Camelot instead of trying to rebuild it, and that's supported by Arthur turning the kingdom into a graveyard in the movie. It's hard to believe that Camelot would have been rebuilt only for it to disappear after some other conflict that people just forgot about. There are some other problems too, like how would Arthur and Merlin even lose to the forces of Liones in the first place? Merlin's got absurd hax and Arthur is apparently 10 times stronger than Meliodas back when he still had his demon king form.
That assumes Donny knows what he's talking about, and considering Lancelot corrected him, I think he's the more trustworthy source. Especially since we know Donny's wrong about the survivors, as the Seven Sins rescued most of the people of Camelot, and even those who had been hidden underground apparently survived. And since the conflict was over, there would have been no reason Arthur would have needed to go into hiding with his people. But even assuming Donny knows what he's talking about, we have had a few characters refer to Meliodas as a demon, so fighting against Liones would still work as a reference, as we already have characters calling it evil. And the five clans would be involved merely by coming in conflict with the Seven Sins, since the group contains the leaders of the fairies and giants, along with Liones. It's not that people forgot the conflict, but they just don't know the full story. As for how Arthur and Merlin could lose, probably due to the same reason they're acting on the down low currently. We know that Arthur considers the Seven Sins a threat preventing him from completing his dream, and that so far they've been stalled due to the lack of future knowledge.
Overall, events like the reconstruction of Camelot and another war taking place right after the last one don't really seem to fit the information we've been given so far. These ideas are a very complicated way to explain such relatively minor oddities as a date being off by 2 years and Arthur appearing to Ardbeg at such a convenient time. Even if there were some kind of shenanigans involved, you could probably accomplish the same thing with less convoluted twists as well, such as memory manipulation causing minor confusion with the timeline. Wouldn't be the first time Nakaba used a plot point like that. I agree that knights like Ironside were involved with Arthur's corruption, but I see their role as being more direct. From a narrative point of view, Percival is likely going to be responsible for snapping Arthur out of his current state of mind, but he's set up to fight Ironside instead of Arthur. It follows that Ironside's defeat has to somehow contribute to Arthur seeing the light, so they might be actively keeping Arthur in this condition.
Complicated doesn't mean bad, and it's better then something just being a plothole. Because after rereading the first couple of chapters, it does not appear that the timeline of 16 years is an error as I fount four different mentions of it - Donny's comment, Neisen mentioned it after he joined them, when they were discussing the Coffin of Eternal Darkness, and Arthur himself mentioning it when punishing Ironside. So either the timeline was changed, or there was some event two years after the previous series ended. I don't know about that. It could be that his knights are behind his current state, but based on what we have been shown, they do serve and take orders from him. And so far his core desire appears the same as at the end of the previous series. So he doesn't appear to be a puppet ruler or anything.
We were shown a few times that the lesser demons were under under the command of others - Zeldris was shown controlling the demons in Camelot when Merlin made her deal with him, and we were told that the demons being fought during the second Holy War were being controlled by Chandler and Cusack - this being the case was what made Eli's feat of making some of them lose the will to fight and leave impressive. The latter would explain why we where shown the demons leaving at the conclusion of the war, because both Chandler and Cusack had been killed by that point. And true, we were shown individual evil demons, but that was early on in the previous series. By the end, Nakaba had more or less retcon how villainous the majority of the demons were. So while it's possible that what we're told is all there is to it, that seems like it would go against the narrative being told. It's not that the second Holy War was over in a day, it's that it pretty much took place in a day, day and a half at most. It was the goddesses forming an alliance with them that made it a Holy War, as it was only referred to as such after that. I don't believe events before that would be considered a part of the war, considering there wasn't much fighting before that.
That assumes Donny knows what he's talking about, and considering Lancelot corrected him, I think he's the more trustworthy source. Especially since we know Donny's wrong about the survivors, as the Seven Sins rescued most of the people of Camelot, and even those who had been hidden underground apparently survived. And since the conflict was over, there would have been no reason Arthur would have needed to go into hiding with his people. But even assuming Donny knows what he's talking about, we have had a few characters refer to Meliodas as a demon, so fighting against Liones would still work as a reference, as we already have characters calling it evil. And the five clans would be involved merely by coming in conflict with the Seven Sins, since the group contains the leaders of the fairies and giants, along with Liones. It's not that people forgot the conflict, but they just don't know the full story. As for how Arthur and Merlin could lose, probably due to the same reason they're acting on the down low currently. We know that Arthur considers the Seven Sins a threat preventing him from completing his dream, and that so far they've been stalled due to the lack of future knowledge.
Complicated doesn't mean bad, and it's better then something just being a plothole. Because after rereading the first couple of chapters, it does not appear that the timeline of 16 years is an error as I fount four different mentions of it - Donny's comment, Neisen mentioned it after he joined them, when they were discussing the Coffin of Eternal Darkness, and Arthur himself mentioning it when punishing Ironside. So either the timeline was changed, or there was some event two years after the previous series ended. I don't know about that. It could be that his knights are behind his current state, but based on what we have been shown, they do serve and take orders from him. And so far his core desire appears the same as at the end of the previous series. So he doesn't appear to be a puppet ruler or anything.
We recently learned through the demon village that even the monstrous demons have free will and their own personalities. Some individuals are more evil than others, just like with humans and the other clans. That alone is enough to explain why some demons would continue fighting even after they were no longer being ordered to.
Lancelot did indeed correct Donny, but only to point out that the kingdom still exists. He didn't disagree regarding how and when Camelot was destroyed. I don't think Donny is wrong about the survivors, I mean he specifically says that "They say the king went into hiding, with his few surviving knights and countrymen." We know that a whole bunch of them died because Arthur built a massive graveyard in the ruins of the kingdom. These two accounts don't even contradict each other, because Arthur going into hiding after Camelot's destruction fits perfectly with Lancelot mentioning that Camelot cannot be accessed through normal means. I'd wager the reason behind Arthur wanting to hide the kingdom is connected with his overall shift in personality that seemed to have happened almost immediately after he obtained his Chaos powers if Ardbeg's story is to be believed.
Camelot wasn't just said to have been destroyed by a demon, but specifically by the leader of the demons. It would take some serious plot developments for that to refer to Meliodas. Calling a conflict between Camelot and Liones a holy war because the Sins are from different clans is a bit of a stretch. That same logic could be used to label an event like the Sins' attacking Liones a holy war as well. In order for Donny's words to refer to a war between Camelot and Liones, Nakaba would have to be deliberately misleading the audience by making claims that are only true on a vague technicality. This would not just be complicated, but downright convoluted. It would also negatively affect the story of NNT. Major events like the holy war or the destruction of Camelot would become much less impactful if it turned out the same things happened again a mere two years later. It's a very drastic course of action to explain away a minor discrepancy in the dates. I am aware that Nakaba has mentioned the timeline of 16 years multiple times, but consider that Anne in chapter 24 says "the Seven Deadly Sins defeated the king of the demon race in the holy war". Hearing her say that would surely confuse Donny if his version of the story was that Meliodas was the demon king in the holy war. It would also be a weird move for Nakaba to not differentiate between the two wars in any way for the sake of the audience, in fact every character keeps referring to 'the' holy war as if they only know of one.
The conclusion that makes the most sense to me is that Nakaba simply screwed up the timeline. That way Donny, Anne, Nasiens, Arthur and Ardbeg's comments about the holy war all match. The demons wiped out Camelot and destroyed villages during the holy war until the Sins defeated their king, after which the demons left Britannia and Arthur went into hiding. Nakaba being confused about the timeline wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, since the fans were also very confused about it initially. When Nakaba said in an early Q&A that the sequel takes place 16 years after NNT, we didn't understand whether that meant 16 years after the Demon King's defeat, 16 years after Tristan and Lancelot were born or 16 years after Tristan's 10th birthday. I can't remember if that was ever clarified either. It seems like Nakaba went with the second option, but keeps referring to the holy war as if he had picked the first option. I think he just messed up, or maybe we've misunderstood something and Tristan and Lancelot are actually only 14.5-15 years old right now.
Lancelot and Tristan not being 16 would be strange considering it's been the age of all the mains so far. Percival is 16 and he is the oldest of the three but their birth dates are close.
A sweet revelation and a nice chapter.
Sin was indeed Lancelot in disguise. I'm both happy and satisfied. The chapter was 10/10.
His magic, shining road is more like a prove that MnYK is gonna use symbols and elements from rising impact of course in a different setting. No surprise because rising impact was directly addressed in chapter 335 of NnT.
As far as I remember, Rising Impact Characters whose names were borrowed from Arthurian legend are GAWAIN, LANCELOT, TRISTAN, MELIODAS, PERCIVAL, and ARTHUR. It's safe to assume the four knights in MnYK are all from the same set of characters. (In the first depiction of the four knights, the guy in the center wields a sword similar to Gawain's in Rising Impact.)
It was just an unnamed father, no? Meliodas is just not mentioned by name, iirc.
In any case, it doesn't really matter, because Meliodas will definitely show up sooner or later.
It's very funny that people try to project their fantasies onto what is happening in the manga. Someone has Arthur stronger than Meliodas in NnT (although it is obvious that Ban, King and Meliodas will simply tear off his head on the time of the end of the manga and that's it), and someone thinks that Golden magic will be the magic of one of the archangels. Although after the current chapter, it is obvious who has golden magic and that it has nothing to do with sunshine.
Someone has Arthur stronger than Meliodas in NnT (although it is obvious that Ban, King and Meliodas will simply tear off his head on the time of the end of the manga and that's it)
Yeah totally, tearing the head off a regenerating reality warper will definitely be enough to defeat Arthur.
The 10 million PL reality warper will totally lose to the guy that isn't even hitting 1 million PL. The reality warper who has the power that created the entire planet and the Gods will lose to the guy who can't even destroy a small country on his own at his peak. Stop kidding yourself.
The only thing Arthur would have to do is absorb Meliodas, same was as he did with Cath, and this new supposed war between Camelot and Liones would be over. The fact that Merlin is on Arthur's side makes things worse, considering the fact that she can just timestop Meliodas at any moment with Chrono Coffin, and Arthur can proceed to absorb him without even trying.
These are the faults of Nakaba's awful writing, not fantasies of fans. Nakaba creates all these OP characters and powers which results in him having to make all the characters braindead because if they actually used their powers intelligently, or with any mild amount of competence, the story wouldn't go the way he wants it to.
and someone thinks that Golden magic will be the magic of one of the archangels. Although after the current chapter, it is obvious who has golden magic and that it has nothing to do with sunshine.
I can reasonably predict that Lancelot is the KoA who is "a mysterious lad with no fixed appearance" because he can be human, fox, and seemingly transform in ways that don't stick to a fixed appearance:
Who is also somebody largely unknown of by the Camelot Knights and had his identity questioned by the main group, in other words, mysterious.
From what I'm seeing, your only reason for Lance being the gold magic user is a move called 'Shining Road'.
Keep in mind that we know someone in the sequel will get Sunshine, so the likelihood that this person is a KoA is highly likely just by virtue of how OP Sunshine is. The fact that one of the KoA has 'Gold Colored Magic' just seems to further reaffirm that idea.
These are things backed up by the story itself or author statements.
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Also worth mentioning the order of text in this image.
Percy came last, who we met first.
So if look at it in reverse order - we can assume the order of who we'll meet.
First we met 'Wing-like Hair' Percival, then 'No Fixed Appearance' Lancelot, then the one who we'll likely meet after this in Liones is 'Holiness and Evil in his eyes' Tristan, and lastly mister 'Gold Colored Magic' the assumed new holder of Sunshine, who just like Escanor will probably be introduced last.
And oh, would you look at this too:
From left to right after Percival we've been saying this is Lancelot, Tristan and most likely Gawain. It's the same order.
The 10 million PL reality warper will totally lose to the guy that isn't even hitting 1 million PL. The reality warper who has the power that created the entire planet and the Gods will lose to the guy who can't even destroy a small country on his own at his peak. Stop kidding yourself.
You are using power levels not mentioned in any official source. In response to a post in which I point out the fact that many fans create their own manga by reading Suzuki Nakaba's manga. I see it as ironic.
The only thing Arthur would have to do is absorb Meliodas, same was as he did with Cath, and this new supposed war between Camelot and Liones would be over. The fact that Merlin is on Arthur's side makes things worse, considering the fact that she can just timestop Meliodas at any moment with Chrono Coffin, and Arthur can proceed to absorb him without even trying.
The only thing Arthur can do at the end of the main manga is die with his head blown off. He does not have enough strength and speed in order to resist the character of the level of strong Sins (Ban, Meliodas, Escanor, King). This is literally what we were shown in the manga when a cat with a power level below the average Commandment ripped off Arthur's arm.
These are the faults of Nakaba's awful writing, not fantasies of fans. Nakaba creates all these OP characters and powers which results in him having to make all the characters braindead because if they actually used their powers intelligently, or with any mild amount of competence, the story wouldn't go the way he wants it to.
So if something doesn't meet your expectations, is it the mangaka's fault? The Seven Deadly Sins manga is full of mistakes, it's not the most thoughtful or logical manga in general, but the ratio of power levels of the main characters in it is written acceptable. Arthur received great strength, but this strength is not some ten times superior to the rest. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that the Demon King and the Supreme Deity sealed the full Chaos in his true body. And also by the fact that throughout the plot we are shown that having some outstanding abilities and being able to use them are completely different things. The same Arthur, using the potential of the sword of the Kings, simply broke all his bones, and Escanor, who was unable to control the power of Sunshine, lost to Meliodas (although later, having learned control, he defeated him in the same state with one blow). No need to invent what you WANT to see, operate with the facts that were DEMONSTRATED in the work.
Moreover, in the current plot, Arthur sees Meliodas as a threat, which hints that even after so many years he has not become stronger than him. Stopping time from Merlin would most likely have no effect on Meliodas, just as it had no effect on the Demon King.
I can reasonably predict that Lancelot is the KoA who is "a mysterious lad with no fixed appearance" because he can be human, fox, and seemingly transform in ways that don't stick to a fixed appearance:
Sunshine has never been referred to as "gold-colored magic" in the manga. It's just your desire to see that it is so. The situation in which another person can manipulate this power completely devalues the uniqueness of Escanor as a character and kills the remnants of intrigue associated with his ability not to die from this power.
It was just an unnamed father, no? Meliodas is just not mentioned by name, iirc.
In any case, it doesn't really matter, because Meliodas will definitely show up sooner or later.
We've been informed recently by Sobreno and others that Nakaba himself has answered this question. Arthur doesn't want to regenerate his arm as a kind of punishment for himself.
You are using power levels not mentioned in any official source. In response to a post in which I point out the fact that many fans create their own manga by reading Suzuki Nakaba's manga. I see it as ironic.
It's also officially confirmed data. Nakaba's own claims about his own manga. Don't you believe Nakaba Suzuki himself doesn't not have any right to write his own stories based on his own fantasies/ideas, do you?
We've been informed recently by Sobreno and others that Nakaba himself has answered this question. Arthur doesn't want to regenerate his arm as a kind of punishment for himself.
It's also officially confirmed data. Nakaba's own claims about his own manga. Don't you believe Nakaba Suzuki himself doesn't not have any right to write his own stories based on his own fantasies/ideas, do you?
Is there any evidence for what you're saying? The power levels of the heroes at the end of the manga were not named even in the latest fanbook. The same goes for the hand. I am tormented by vague doubts about your sincerity, so I will ask you for proof of these statements.
I think we get to see all of 4 KotA before 100 chapter.
They still wouldn’t be a team, but we will be able to see all the chess pieces on the board.
I think so because Merlin and Arthur came into the picture in chapter 63, and Merlin was revealed in chapter 83. And she’s the last one before huge brake that ended in Escanors introduction.
Nakaba did promise to collect all MC’s faster this time.
Is there any evidence for what you're saying? The power levels of the heroes at the end of the manga were not named even in the latest fanbook. The same goes for the hand. I am tormented by vague doubts about your sincerity, so I will ask you for proof of these statements.
Did I talked about PLs? I believe you've answered the wrong guy
For the source, it was in a recent post by Obreno, that was later confirmed by FKS. His confirmation is enough for me to believe that piece of info is reliable.
But as a PL hater, I agree that numbers should always be neglected by both authors and the audience.
However, I'd appreciate it if you could confirmed shining road in MnYK is in fact a beam of Golden light, instead of white for instance. And that the guy who can actually change his appearance is the one with golden colored magic.
Disagreements aside, I'd tell I'm really confused about the nature of golden colored magic too. I can no longer be sure about its connection to Sunshine, but there is still a high chance its Gawains magic, and Gawain is the fourth knight of apocalypse as well as the next host of Sunshine.
Arthur not being able to beat the Sins right at the end of NNT makes sense IMO. He had the power but he didn't really have experience with it. Now things are different of course.
I don't get that debate about Lancelot being one or the other. He can change forms because he is a Fairy, the others don't know that. Just having an attack named Shining Road doesn't mean he is the one with golden magic. It's just one move. We don't really know what is Lancelot's Magic but clearly it's not going to be "I can shoot light beams". Was the technique he used to kill the big guy Golden magic too?
It's also officially confirmed data. Nakaba's own claims about his own manga. Don't you believe Nakaba Suzuki himself doesn't not have any right to write his own stories based on his own fantasies/ideas, do you?
This answer was attached to a quote about power levels. The person above wrote that Arthur's power level is 10 million, while Meliodas has less than a million. To which I wrote that these are fan guesses, and not official information.
I'm just a supporter of power levels. If Nakaba had followed them in the same way as he did in the first half of the original manga, the plot would have been more interesting and those ridiculous scenes would not have appeared in which much weaker characters work their magic on stronger ones. Resistance to hostile magic as strength increases is one of the foundations of combat in the first arcs of the original manga, and is a great motivation for heroes to get stronger. If this is not the case, then there is no rationale in the battles of the characters, and, accordingly, the reader cannot predict the various outcomes of the confrontations between the characters. Causal connections must work, otherwise the narrative loses its integrity.
For the source, it was in a recent post by Obreno, that was later confirmed by FKS. His confirmation is enough for me to believe that piece of info is reliable.
But as a PL hater, I agree that numbers should always be neglected by both authors and the audience.
I am primarily interested in the original source of this information. I agree that Arthur's inability to grow a hand looks odd without further explanation. The problem is that at the moment, as far as I know, we have not received this explanation.
However, I'd appreciate it if you could confirmed shining road in MnYK is in fact a beam of Golden light, instead of white for instance. And that the guy who can actually change his appearance is the one with golden colored magic.
Obviously, I, like other readers, cannot reliably state the color of Lancelot's magic without additional explanation in the manga. Specifically, I just noted that the chapter emphasized that that particular shining attack is Lancelot's magic.