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He’s not terrible at abilities. By the time Merlin came around, he’d already exhausted a good amount of his arsenal. He’s regaining it with this series, but you can still see some similar powers. It happens to a lot of writers, so we can’t expect the unthinkable everytime.
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I mean, look, there’s powers on the Wiki that are only named. Factor that in with working on a week by week basis, not really wanting to touch your characters much until near the time of their introduction. It’s understandable.
 

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He’s not terrible at abilities.
I think the main problem is that he's terrible at handling the abilities he creates.

There's always too many OP powers/hax which results in him either making his characters suffer from a severe case of dementia, sometimes passive abilities just stop existing (wtf even happened to the commandments when the DK was fighting?), or certain characters conveniently not being present in a particular fight.

Far too many characters in NNT suffer from dementia, and just forget 70% of their abilities. It's really fucking annoying.
 

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Nah he's just plain bad at abilities. NNT doesn't have a single unique ability compared to other verses and all it has is the general overpowered abilities in most verses (immortality, regeneration, time manipulation, reality warping..etc). It's looking A BIT more promising for the sequel but I'm not getting my hopes up. Kongou Banchou also had low tier abilities as a verse, Nakaba just prefers DBZ style fights.
 

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You see a lot of these abilities in many other series besides Taizai. It’s common for authors to wanna excersie the general abilties (Elements, regeneration, the other stuff you named, etc.) If you want unique, spontaneous abilities, I doubt you’ll find any yet. He wants to have fun & write a story that’s fun for himself & new fans reading it, but I doubt he’s gonna just crank out these unique, special powers to look different. There’s a lot that goes into making a power system & unique powers that people just don’t understand. It’s a lot harder than it looks, especially in a weekly serialization.

Kongou came before either of these series, so of course it’s gonna lack in places. He’s had a lot of trial & error, surprising himself when he was actually given time to tell his story.

I will agree though that certain powers weren’t given the attention they should’ve, such as the Supreme Deity & Elizabeth. But powers like Judgement & Mix Venom are rather nicely done.

Also, DBZ styled fights aren’t as fleshed out as NNT/4KOA 1s. They focus on power and regular energy blasts that anybody can pull off. Even the Magic is just Ki there. There’s differentiation with Nakaba’s fights.
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Nah he's just plain bad at abilities. NNT doesn't have a single unique ability compared to other verses and all it has is the general overpowered abilities in most verses (immortality, regeneration, time manipulation, reality warping..etc). It's looking A BIT more promising for the sequel but I'm not getting my hopes up. Kongou Banchou also had low tier abilities as a verse, Nakaba just prefers DBZ style fights.
Although I am curious. Not to play appeal to authority but to learn from what fans do & don’t like for creating my own serial: What exactly would you do specifically if you were to remake the power system?
 
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You see a lot of these abilities in many other series besides Taizai. It’s common for authors to wanna excersie the general abilties (Elements, regeneration, the other stuff you named, etc.) If you want unique, spontaneous abilities, I doubt you’ll find any yet. He wants to have fun & write a story that’s fun for himself & new fans reading it, but I doubt he’s gonna just crank out these unique, special powers to look different. There’s a lot that goes into making a power system & unique powers that people just don’t understand. It’s a lot harder than it looks, especially in a weekly serialization.

Kongou came before either of these series, so of course it’s gonna lack in places. He’s had a lot of trial & error, surprising himself when he was actually given time to tell his story.

I will agree though that certain powers weren’t given the attention they should’ve, such as the Supreme Deity & Elizabeth. But powers like Judgement & Mix Venom are rather nicely done.

Also, DBZ styled fights aren’t as fleshed out as NNT/4KOA 1s. They focus on power and regular energy blasts that anybody can pull off. Even the Magic is just Ki there. There’s differentiation with Nakaba’s fights.
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Although I am curious. Not to play appeal to authority but to learn from what fans do & don’t like for creating my own serial: What exactly would you do specifically if you were to remake the power system?
I would elaborate more on the magic system, Nakaba barely shed light on the origin or how it actually works. Remove power levels and make people actually run out of magic. There hasn't been a single character (apart from OG Gowther) who's complained about not having enough magic for a technique, or a technique requires too much magic.
 

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Alright, there's this tweet:

TL:
~Nakaba-sensei's sketch~
A secret story!
Edlin, Donny's fellow apprentice who
appeared in the Cant arc, was originally
Eric, a simple leader of bandits!!
The rough sketch done at the time is now revealed!
 
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Ok here's a random thought about Tristan. He's ambidextrous according to the Fanbook, and wields two swords. What if Meliodas and Mael taught him both versions of Full Counter? What is the likelihood of him combining both Full Counter versions? How op would that make him?
 

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What if Meliodas and Mael taught him both versions of Full Counter? What is the likelihood of him combining both Full Counter versions? How op would that make him?
This is too OP but I'd like to see it just for the sake of how OP he'd be in a fight on all the Vs battle websites :lmao
 

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Ok here's a random thought about Tristan. He's ambidextrous according to the Fanbook, and wields two swords. What if Meliodas and Mael taught him both versions of Full Counter? What is the likelihood of him combining both Full Counter versions? How op would that make him?
It makes sense, but in a story standpoint, It would make him too broken.
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Besides I would prefer if Nakaba just lets him develop his own magical ability than learn it from Meliodas or Mael(If he has it since we haven't seen him use of his abilities while still being Estarossa).
 

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True, though as mentioned, given how the demons have been retconned since their first appearance, that would be surprising. After all, they were made the unfortunate victims of the Holy Wars, fighting for survival or under the control of others.
I don't think they were retconned or made into victims of the war. They're not portrayed as purely evil creatures anymore, but nothing about their destructive behavior and using other clans' souls as food has changed. Even the recent demon village was specifically formed by a small group who refused to participate in the war. Most demons still aren't very sympathetic, so I'd say it's more like they were fleshed out a bit to add some nuance to them.

Well I said he was wrong because according to Merlin in the previous series, most of the citizens of Camelot were saved. And apparently even some of those that had been hidden were shown surviving. So if Arthur fled at the end of the previous series, it wouldn't have been with just a few, unless a majority decided to remain in Liones. The story as told is quite different from what we know the reality of the situation was. There's also the implication that the demons were believed to have left sixteen years ago, but there apparently being more to it then that to the point that the sealing of them would be serious trouble, though perhaps that is solely based on Meliodas and his strength.
The giant graveyard in the ruins of Camelot that is shown in the movie confirms that there were quite a lot of casualties. If I recall correctly, Merlin didn't seem to know about the people living underground, which would explain how so many people ended up dying despite the fact that the Sins thought they had saved most of the citizens. You're probably correct in that some also decided to remain in Liones, since the alternative would have been to return to the ruins or the weird dimensional castle. I think the demons probably did actually leave after the war, since Gowther has apparently been watching over this one village for the last 16 years. I don't see why he would exclusively focus on this one if there were other villages as well.

Not really, if it's propaganda. We already had characters like Ironside publicly calling Liones evil and acting as if they're saving people from it. And it's not that much of a stretch considering the difference between this potential Holy War and the second Holy War is three goddesses. Them and the Sins were the only non-humans involved, so the overall argument would be the same. It's not complicated if it's suppose to be a twist. We've already been given several hints that the two are already in conflict and are currently attempting to gain an edge, having it be that they had previous clashed wouldn't be that convoluted and would lead to an explanation on why they're both gathering the means as they are. And I would say the previous series would still be affected negatively going from Arthur and the Sins being allies to them randomly being enemies without any triggering event. Additionally, assuming that the second Holy War is the trigger behind the way Arthur and his knights are acting would only make sense if they were just against the demons, but as we have seen, they're also against the giants and fairies, meaning something had to have cause them to become enemies.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about what you're saying, but the archangels and the Sins were not the only non-humans involved in the Holy War. The fairies and giants sent their own armies to fight alongside the Liones holy knights, and the demons of course also had their own army. You can see all four sides on the same battlefield in the chapter in which Ban uses the power of the Fountain to revive Elaine. The goddesses were the only ones who didn't have an entire army present, but even they had Elizabeth and the 4 archangels, so basically their entire elite forces sans the SD. That's quite a bit different from the Sins fighting Arthur on their own. That scenario also wouldn't explain why the Knights of Chaos have such a seething hatred towards the demons in particular. Ironside is entirely focused on the demons and there's also the difference with how Talisker tried to get Ordo to abandon to giants and fairies or to just destroy the Gorge to drive them out, while Ardbeg wanted to kill all the demons in the village. Arthur's knights believe in human supremacy, but seem to despise the demons much more than the other non-humans, which wouldn't really make sense if it was an alliance of all the clans that destroyed Camelot and drove Arthur's knights to this point.

A scenario in which Arthur and the Sins have clashed before isn't convoluted, and I could see that having happened. What is convoluted is this course of events in which Camelot was destroyed by the leader of the demons during the Holy War, and was then rebuilt later on even though we see Arthur opting to turn the ruins of the kingdom into a graveyard. Then another Holy War occurred, in which the same scenario happened to Camelot again, except not really because Meliodas wasn't the leader of the demons and the conflict probably didn't even involve the clans like the other Holy Wars. And somehow people like Anne and Donny end up with completely different accounts of the Holy War, depending on whether the Sins were fighting the demons or on the side of the demons, but people never realize that the stories don't match up at all even after 16 years. This would only be possible if Nakaba was deliberately misleading the audience by making characters give us contradictory information that conveniently isn't noticed by anyone in-universe, which sounds pretty convoluted in my book. Arthur and the Sins could have just clashed in a separate incident that has nothing to do with the Holy War, although you could take Gowther's reaction to Ardbeg story as evidence against that. Gowther didn't seem to know, at least not for sure, that it was Arthur who had been recruiting people like Ardbeg. It's hard to believe Gowther wouldn't know something so basic about Arthur's forces and behavior if they had fought him before and knew he was still hiding somewhere. Now if Arthur had simply disappeared after the events on NNT, it wouldn't be that surprising for Gowther to not know that Arthur has been preparing for battle.

I would assume that if there was an error with the timeline, that would have been corrected after the first time. Or not even mentioned, since we would already be aware when said Holy War took place. That we have it being repeated multiple times would suggest that it was on purpose, or an error made canon. Wasn't aware of that confusion with Nakaba's comment.
That's what you'd assume, but this is Nakaba we're talking about. I can totally see him mistaking the timeline since he apparently didn't even consider how confusing a statement like "the sequel takes place 16 years after NNT" would be if the last two chapters had two separate timeskips. The most logical assumption would be 16 years after the chapter in which the story ended, but that of course wasn't actually the case. If you're interested in Nakaba's initial comment about the timeline, you can find it and the first reactions to it here: link.

Umm, they were? Both Nasien and Anne got lucky in their matchups. Nasien just getting the horn for his medicine and it having a postive effect, while Anne just had the right magic to counter her opppnent, was pretty much pure luck.
Donny also getting an opponent who's all brute strength, while also curiously never experimenting with his magic was one of the single most ridiculous things ever. Are u telling homie is 17 years old and has never experimented with his magic, but Lancelot just wrong watching figured "Oh,yeah. It's telekinesis and not floating". Because somehow you can figure that out by just watching and not through an experiment.

If it wasnt for Nasien and his lucky horn cure, thex could have all died against the first opponent.
We saw just how the Dark Talismans compare to Lancelot when they trapped him inside the cube and tried to fight him 4v1. They all lost in a matter of seconds and could not land a single hit on him. He's also so good at reading the minds of his opponents that he managed to backseat Anne and Donny through their fights. The Dark Talismans didn't actually pose a threat to the team because Lancelot could have always saved them at a moment's notice. He's so fast that none of them could see him move when he killed Elgin. Even when he was still in his fox form he managed to react to Fiddich's speed and trip Percival, which avoided serious damage from Fiddich's attack.

(wtf even happened to the commandments when the DK was fighting?)
Wasn't that because they were fully absorbed? When they're just in someone's possession they manifest as a curse, but if they're converted into magic power the curse stops being active. Estarossa absorbing Galand's Commandment increased his power level by 28k, from 60k to 88k. Galand's power level was 27k, so if he had the Commandment absorbed by default his own power level would have been -1k, so the curses and buffs do seem to be separate. I think there's a visual hint about this in that the Commandments show up as these magical symbols on the user's face/body, which didn't happen for Estarossa when he used more than one. Even the Love symbol eventually disappeared as he powered up more and more. In theory you might still be able to have multiple Commandments active as curses, but that would be very risky since the holder is susceptible to their own Commandment's curse. Having to juggle 10 at the same time sounds like a nightmare.

Ok here's a random thought about Tristan. He's ambidextrous according to the Fanbook, and wields two swords. What if Meliodas and Mael taught him both versions of Full Counter? What is the likelihood of him combining both Full Counter versions? How op would that make him?
I don't see that happening, and making a character just immune to almost everything wouldn't be very interesting for a good guy in the first place. It could work for an overpowered villain though. I think Tristan being ambidextrous is supposed to symbolize the fact that he's composed of two opposite powers that exist in a balance. We're probably going to see him use his goddess powers with one weapon and demon powers with the other one. The way the silhouette showed him with just one sword could be a hint that he's eventually going to learn to combine his two sides together somehow.
 

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Nah he's just plain bad at abilities. NNT doesn't have a single unique ability compared to other verses and all it has is the general overpowered abilities in most verses (immortality, regeneration, time manipulation, reality warping..etc). It's looking A BIT more promising for the sequel but I'm not getting my hopes up. Kongou Banchou also had low tier abilities as a verse, Nakaba just prefers DBZ style fights.
In fact, the problem is rather not that there are fights in the style of DBZ. It just inconsistently reveals the abilities of the characters and does not have a coherent system of energy that gives the characters strength. For example, in One Piece, the presence of an ability does not guarantee the victory of one over the other, the ability of the fruit can be suppressed by the will of the character, which creates a normally traceable balance. Cookie can't turn all the strongest characters into puppets - her ability simply won't work on truly strong personalities. In NNT, the strength of the characters seems to give resistance to abilities, but this is not explained by the author, it is not demonstrated when it is really required (in fact, we have several examples of resistance to Gowther's abilities due to Spirit, the ability to get out of the dimension of archangels due to the level of strength, and so the increased resistance to magic in skeletons when Melascula nourished them with the power of Meliodas), and therefore confrontation using physical force in conditions where the character has many abilities looks extremely ridiculous. And sadly, the sequel does not look at the resistance level from the character’s power level at all. Which will lead to a terrible imbalance in the future.
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In theory you might still be able to have multiple Commandments active as curses, but that would be very risky since the holder is susceptible to their own Commandment's curse. Having to juggle 10 at the same time sounds like a nightmare.
If my memory serves me right, then the commandment makes the user immune to the action of other Commandments. Accordingly, it is logical to assume that this effect from the two Commandments will make the user immune to the effect of both. After all, by default, everyone is susceptible to the effects of commandments, respectively, it only gives resistance from all commandments, except for its own, and does not make the user vulnerable to the action of a particular commandment.
 

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I don't think they were retconned or made into victims of the war. They're not portrayed as purely evil creatures anymore, but nothing about their destructive behavior and using other clans' souls as food has changed. Even the recent demon village was specifically formed by a small group who refused to participate in the war. Most demons still aren't very sympathetic, so I'd say it's more like they were fleshed out a bit to add some nuance to them.
The revel about the first Holy War was that it was the goddesses were the ones to start it, and their actions were what led the demons being as hostile as they were. After that point, the demons weren't shown as destructive before, and the whole soul devouring never came back up except with Estarossa. By the end of the series, I would say the Demon King was the only non-sympathetic named demon left, since aside from the ones who had already died, the rest were given backstories to justify their actions.

The giant graveyard in the ruins of Camelot that is shown in the movie confirms that there were quite a lot of casualties. If I recall correctly, Merlin didn't seem to know about the people living underground, which would explain how so many people ended up dying despite the fact that the Sins thought they had saved most of the citizens. You're probably correct in that some also decided to remain in Liones, since the alternative would have been to return to the ruins or the weird dimensional castle. I think the demons probably did actually leave after the war, since Gowther has apparently been watching over this one village for the last 16 years. I don't see why he would exclusively focus on this one if there were other villages as well.
Don't know how to argue with that, since it appears that the manga and the movie are contradicting each other. Unless the underground had the majority of people, Merlin not knowing about them shouldn't affect her statement. And I presumed there were still demons around due to the whole situation with the Coffin. Just Meliodas could explain that, but that seems overkill.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something about what you're saying, but the archangels and the Sins were not the only non-humans involved in the Holy War. The fairies and giants sent their own armies to fight alongside the Liones holy knights, and the demons of course also had their own army. You can see all four sides on the same battlefield in the chapter in which Ban uses the power of the Fountain to revive Elaine. The goddesses were the only ones who didn't have an entire army present, but even they had Elizabeth and the 4 archangels, so basically their entire elite forces sans the SD. That's quite a bit different from the Sins fighting Arthur on their own. That scenario also wouldn't explain why the Knights of Chaos have such a seething hatred towards the demons in particular. Ironside is entirely focused on the demons and there's also the difference with how Talisker tried to get Ordo to abandon to giants and fairies or to just destroy the Gorge to drive them out, while Ardbeg wanted to kill all the demons in the village. Arthur's knights believe in human supremacy, but seem to despise the demons much more than the other non-humans, which wouldn't really make sense if it was an alliance of all the clans that destroyed Camelot and drove Arthur's knights to this point.
They weren't there during the planning or when the fighting began, or when Estarossa and Derieri showed up, so they must have joined pretty late in the war. Regardless, they weren't there when the Holy War was named, which was my point. And according to Talisker, even helping the other races was considered a major sin, and he intended for Ordo to destroy them, but monster Ordo was still lenient towards them. It definitely seems as if they have an equal hatred toward all the other races.

A scenario in which Arthur and the Sins have clashed before isn't convoluted, and I could see that having happened. What is convoluted is this course of events in which Camelot was destroyed by the leader of the demons during the Holy War, and was then rebuilt later on even though we see Arthur opting to turn the ruins of the kingdom into a graveyard. Then another Holy War occurred, in which the same scenario happened to Camelot again, except not really because Meliodas wasn't the leader of the demons and the conflict probably didn't even involve the clans like the other Holy Wars. And somehow people like Anne and Donny end up with completely different accounts of the Holy War, depending on whether the Sins were fighting the demons or on the side of the demons, but people never realize that the stories don't match up at all even after 16 years. This would only be possible if Nakaba was deliberately misleading the audience by making characters give us contradictory information that conveniently isn't noticed by anyone in-universe, which sounds pretty convoluted in my book. Arthur and the Sins could have just clashed in a separate incident that has nothing to do with the Holy War, although you could take Gowther's reaction to Ardbeg story as evidence against that. Gowther didn't seem to know, at least not for sure, that it was Arthur who had been recruiting people like Ardbeg. It's hard to believe Gowther wouldn't know something so basic about Arthur's forces and behavior if they had fought him before and knew he was still hiding somewhere. Now if Arthur had simply disappeared after the events on NNT, it wouldn't be that surprising for Gowther to not know that Arthur has been preparing for battle.
Well I presume that Camelot wasn't destroyed the second time, that's just the belief due to it being gone. That would explain how it could both have fallen and still be around as we're told. As for Meliodas being the leader, it can easily not be meant as literal - Ironside's comments to the people of Sistana proclaimed that Liones was evil, and that they were gathering the Four Knights of the Apocalypse, "dreadful demons" according to him, to destroy the world. So we were shown Arthur's knights don't have an issue with claiming they're opposing demons when they're really not. We know that it's not merely the Sins, but Liones itself that is considered Camelot's largest opposing force according to Arthur. Gowther also stated that the Sins were the sworn enemies of Arthur. Add in Tristan working as an agent of Liones, and it would be really strange if there hadn't be some major conflict between the two kingdoms to establish their need to both build forces against each other.

That's what you'd assume, but this is Nakaba we're talking about. I can totally see him mistaking the timeline since he apparently didn't even consider how confusing a statement like "the sequel takes place 16 years after NNT" would be if the last two chapters had two separate timeskips. The most logical assumption would be 16 years after the chapter in which the story ended, but that of course wasn't actually the case. If you're interested in Nakaba's initial comment about the timeline, you can find it and the first reactions to it here: link.
Thank you for the link. I would assume, given the fact that Varghese was stated to have left Arthur 16 years ago, that the sequel wasn't exactly right after, just to give them time together before separating.
 

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In fact, the problem is rather not that there are fights in the style of DBZ. It just inconsistently reveals the abilities of the characters and does not have a coherent system of energy that gives the characters strength. For example, in One Piece, the presence of an ability does not guarantee the victory of one over the other, the ability of the fruit can be suppressed by the will of the character, which creates a normally traceable balance. Cookie can't turn all the strongest characters into puppets - her ability simply won't work on truly strong personalities. In NNT, the strength of the characters seems to give resistance to abilities, but this is not explained by the author, it is not demonstrated when it is really required (in fact, we have several examples of resistance to Gowther's abilities due to Spirit, the ability to get out of the dimension of archangels due to the level of strength, and so the increased resistance to magic in skeletons when Melascula nourished them with the power of Meliodas), and therefore confrontation using physical force in conditions where the character has many abilities looks extremely ridiculous. And sadly, the sequel does not look at the resistance level from the character’s power level at all. Which will lead to a terrible imbalance in the future.
Are you seriously saying that One Piece's system is much more balanced than in this series and that being stronger than your opponent doesn't matter?
 

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Are you seriously saying that One Piece's system is much more balanced than in this series and that being stronger than your opponent doesn't matter?
1. Of course yes. From the popular shounens, One Piece is the most balanced and consistent. I can't remember a case where someone other than Luffy fought a much stronger character and could do something against him. A perfect example of what the strongest characters in the verse really should look like is the first meeting with Aokiji, or Kizaru's presentation in Marijoa.

Or you can watch the latest actual fights, which clearly show that the strongest characters literally ignore hack abilities due to powerful haki.

2. I remember a lot of cases in SDS when characters that shouldn't have even scratched the enemy based on what was shown earlier didn't just fight, but caused damage to the enemy.

Diana pierces Indura; Mael against Sariel, Tarmiel and Derreri; Ruin's illusions that affected Meliodas; Derreri puts Elizabeth to sleep. And this list can be continued for a long time. But again, the problem of a broken balance is primarily the lack of a sane metaphysical basis in the manga. That is, there is magic and beyond power, but there are no principles of work and interaction.
 

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1. Of course yes. From the popular shounens, One Piece is the most balanced and consistent. I can't remember a case where someone other than Luffy fought a much stronger character and could do something against him. A perfect example of what the strongest characters in the verse really should look like is the first meeting with Aokiji, or Kizaru's presentation in Marijoa.

Or you can watch the latest actual fights, which clearly show that the strongest characters literally ignore hack abilities due to powerful haki.

2. I remember a lot of cases in SDS when characters that shouldn't have even scratched the enemy based on what was shown earlier didn't just fight, but caused damage to the enemy.

Diana pierces Indura; Mael against Sariel, Tarmiel and Derreri; Ruin's illusions that affected Meliodas; Derreri puts Elizabeth to sleep. And this list can be continued for a long time. But again, the problem of a broken balance is primarily the lack of a sane metaphysical basis in the manga. That is, there is magic and beyond power, but there are no principles of work and interaction.
Are you up to date with One Piece? Because in the current arc characters have litterally plot armor as durability when it suits Oda's needs. I can't believe someone who is up to date would say that One Piece is a good exemple of consistency when it comes to power system or power levels.
 

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Wasn't that because they were fully absorbed?
If that is the reason, it's never directly stated from what I can remember.

Also the fact that the DK never used those OP techniques of the Commandments that 4C Mael used further showed his incompetence in battle, or that he had severe dementia, or both :lmao

Like literally Mael/Estarossa didn't even know how to take Commandments at first, and then suddenly he becomes the most competent wielder of 4 of them :facepalm
 

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Ok here's a random thought about Tristan. He's ambidextrous according to the Fanbook, and wields two swords. What if Meliodas and Mael taught him both versions of Full Counter? What is the likelihood of him combining both Full Counter versions? How op would that make him?
That would be super Op but his two swords is more likely because of his hybrid race
 

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If that is the reason, it's never directly stated from what I can remember.

Also the fact that the DK never used those OP techniques of the Commandments that 4C Mael used further showed his incompetence in battle, or that he had severe dementia, or both :lmao

Like literally Mael/Estarossa didn't even know how to take Commandments at first, and then suddenly he becomes the most competent wielder of 4 of them :facepalm
Wouldn’t say most competent, he did go insane
 
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