One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[McNuss]

I think ussop is guaranteed to have CoC, he lied about having it during Wano vs Kaido fodder. His lies tend to come true so it’s likely he’ll develop strong Haki as CoC users tend to also have strong Haki which makes sense.

I think this is likely, too. But that would be the finale, I mean once he's got this he no longer can pretend he isn't a "brave warrior of the sea", which he technically already is since saving his hometown from the Kuro Pirates. It would also be quite a jump to immediately awaken aCoC, he'd probably get the standard version and kick Augur out of concentration with it in a sniper battle or something.

I think there has to be something before that, if he goes like this into the final battle I would be quite disappointed. Because while he didn't win any proper fights since Daruma, it's not like he didn't showcase a myriad of techniques, so I think it's time for an upgrade.

Maybe turn the bottom of the Kuro Kabuto into a gun, so you have the grow up slingshot for large scale attacks and the grow up gun for more power as either a sniper rifle or honestly it needs to grow into a maschine gun, too, even though that wouldn't make much sense but it could be a very special plant.

The plants are very strongly linked to Usopp, so I think he keeps the Pop Green but he needs both more firepower and firerate to remotely make sense as a New World Tier fighter.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

True, but then again I feel like Usopp could find a way to take down some strong fighters without needing that kind of power.

As long as he comes up with a way to hurt opponents that are stronger than he can take on right now then I'd say yes he doesn't need some huge power boost. At the moment the most powerful attack he has offensively seems to be Wolf Impact and that just isn't cutting it with opponents as strong as P1 so makes me doubt he can take on future opponents that are Yonko executives without some upgrade.

 

[McNuss]

As long as he comes up with a way to hurt opponents that are stronger than he can take on right now then I'd say yes he doesn't need some huge power boost. At the moment the most powerful attack he has offensively seems to be Wolf Impact and that just isn't cutting it with opponents as strong as P1 so makes me doubt he can take on future opponents that are Yonko executives without some upgrade.

Yeah imagine something like "Impact Wolf Gatling".

The more I think about it, the more I think firerate would be key. He could quickly turn the battlefield into a jungle by shooting different projectiles at once in rapid succesion.

Maybe he finds something to alter plants growth rate and capabilities in Elbaf? After all, giants probably eat gigantic vegetables...

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Does Usopp really need power though? He's been able to win/make a difference without causing damage, like with Perona and Sugar. I don't think being able to cause damage should be high on the list as he can help in other ways and has been MVP on at least two occasions.

He needs it for himself, his goal is in the end about self-satisfaction. Publically he is already a "God" lol.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Yeah imagine something like "Impact Wolf Gatling".

The more I think about it, the more I think firerate would be key. He could quickly turn the battlefield into a jungle by shooting different projectiles at once in rapid succesion.

Maybe he finds something to alter plants growth rate and capabilities in Elbaf? After all, giants probably eat gigantic vegetables...

That's a good point on fire rate. Typically snipers use artillery that is big so the focus is on aim since a hit is usually a KO. But Usopp has subverted a lot of what it means to be a Sniper since he doesn't even use a gun (still can't believe he uses sling shot lol). He could continue this trend by focusing on being like a machine gun sniper. As for the plants, yeah he could learn lots from giants and maybe pick up a new weapon there. Elbaf could end up being Usopps arc and moment to shine in what he does the way Sanji got to shine in his cooking skills in WCI.

 

[grey matter]

That's a fair question. Only reason I think he needs more power is to fight the Blackbeard pirates. It seems Oda is setting them up to be 1v1s between their main crews so Ussop needs a way to take on Van Augur who appears far more capable a fighter than Usopp. I just don't think Usopp has any way of hurting people at Yonko crew executive level. He couldn't be anything more than a nuisance to the likes of P1 so how will he ever take on someone of that caliber or better in 1v1 in the future?

True, but Oda can asspull his way into making Strawhats as powerful as he needs.

Nothing suggested that Franky or Robin could compete with Tobiroppo, who are on or above Vergo level (someone who far outclassed everyone in PH except monster trio).
Page One, a Tobiroppo, was strong enough to make Sanji use his RS in beginning of Wano as well.

Yet they Franky and Robin still did what they did.

Also, we have all the insane jumps in PL by the 5 rooftop Supernovas and Sanji in this arc as well.

At this point, I've given up trying to make any sense of how Oda writes powercreep. He does what he wants, doesn't matter if it makes any sense

 

[thedude]

I mean it's guaranteed he will receive another power up. Franky will receive one after Wano, too considering the Shogun has been destroyed, so just because Usopp got left out here doesn't mean he will not get one later. It seems Oda is putting more and more into the final fight (vs Augur?), which makes me wonder what kind of power-up Usopp could get.

Obviously haki lol. It's too bad he didn't get to display it here (yet) after showing it how many years ago in Dressrosa? I guess he can also get armament haki.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Also a snipers role is to get the job done silently as if you were never there.

It defeats the purpose of a sniper when his ammo unleash a 100 ft plant monster with every shot

 

[XXGenesis]

The way I See it. Kidd & Law had the upper hand throughout the last half of the fight.

They held out as long as possible W/O awakening attacks.

When they used their awakening they forced Big Mom to eat her Life spam to recover & fodder to bring back her homies. She stomped them again.

While they feinted being fainted lol…They again gained the upper hand. & their limits we were being told about seems like they weren’t actually hit either.

 

[McNuss]

By the way, I think we have to revaluate Whitebeard.

Yes, he aged badly blah blah blah - all doesn't matter, the fruit is NUTS.

The tsunami he created at the beginning - only Aokiji could have stopped that. No Aokiji and everyone would have drowned. Namur the Fishman would have probably saved Ace though, if that's worth it.

Like who could have stopped this Tsunami? It's too large to be stopped by magma and Kizaru pew pew pew?

The destructive power alone from Whitebeard is far larger than anything any other character could produce, yeah Bolo Breath can wipe a castle but the Tsunami wipes an island.

And yes, Big Mom can create a Tsunami, too, but it requires far more setup, like her riding a candy sea slug homie made by Perospero. Whitebeard can spam these, in theory.

And we've seen rather low tier characters make a hole in the Aqua Laguna and jump through. But even if the high tiers can make a bigger hole or even bifurcate the wave, where do you jump if it swallows everything? It's just way too much water.

The Gura Gura No Mi just seems vastly superior to any of the other Yonko powers.

 

[M3J]

Which is probably why Whitebeard was one of the most feared men on Earth, and why they said he had the power to destroy it or something.

 

[Fox666]

By the way, I think we have to revaluate Whitebeard.

Yes, he aged badly blah blah blah - all doesn't matter, the fruit is NUTS.

The tsunami he created at the beginning - only Aokiji could have stopped that. No Aokiji and everyone would have drowned. Namur the Fishman would have probably saved Ace though, if that's worth it.

Like who could have stopped this Tsunami? It's too large to be stopped by magma and Kizaru pew pew pew?

The destructive power alone from Whitebeard is far larger than anything any other character could produce, yeah Bolo Breath can wipe a castle but the Tsunami wipes an island.

And yes, Big Mom can create a Tsunami, too, but it requires far more setup, like her riding a candy sea slug homie made by Perospero. Whitebeard can spam these, in theory.

And we've seen rather low tier characters make a hole in the Aqua Laguna and jump through. But even if the high tiers can make a bigger hole or even bifurcate the wave, where do you jump if it swallows everything? It's just way too much water.

The Gura Gura No Mi just seems vastly superior to any of the other Yonko powers.

I'm sure Akainu could get rid of the tsunami, and he wouldn't care about collateral damage

Kizaru has enough destructive power, but I don't he can hit the wall

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'm sure Akainu could get rid of the tsunami, and he wouldn't care about collateral damage

Kizaru has enough destructive power, but I don't he can hit the wall

Water and magma don't mix lol Akainu would have become a statue, unless you think Akainu could produce more Manga than 2 Tsunami's instantly lol

 

[McNuss]

Water and magma don't mix lol Akainu would have become a statue, unless you think Akainu could produce more Manga than 2 Tsunami's instantly lol

Yeah that's the point, it's way too much water to evaporate and it is also so much that it breaks through any solidifying Magma.

The Tsunami gets overlooked because it happens quite early in the battle but it's superior to any feat from any other character.

 

[Fox666]

Water and magma don't mix lol Akainu would have become a statue, unless you think Akainu could produce more Manga than 2 Tsunami's instantly lol

I'm 100% that Akainu can instantly produce island-sized attacks like Aokiji and Kizaru

Akainu would be fine, the only problem would be the collateral damage to Marineford

Yeah that's the point, it's way too much water to evaporate and it is also so much that it breaks through any solidifying Magma.

The Tsunami gets overlooked because it happens quite early in the battle but it's superior to any feat from any other character.

IMHO the Admirals are not behind Whitebeard in feats

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'm 100% that Akainu can instantly produce island-sized attacks like Aokiji and Kizaru

Akainu would be fine, the only problem would be the collateral damage to Marineford


IMHO the Admirals are not behind Whitebeard in feats

Admirals second class, Homie

 

[McNuss]

I'm 100% that Akainu can instantly produce island-sized attacks like Aokiji and Kizaru

Akainu would be fine, the only problem would be the collateral damage to Marineford


IMHO the Admirals are not behind Whitebeard in feats

I think you haven't quite understood what a Tsunami is. This is way too much water. Water isn't solid, it cannot be stopped by One Piece measures, and it can hardly be stopped irl, too.

If Akainu made two Magma waves to halt it, the water would break the solidifying Magma and everything still gets crushed.

It's also just nasty against fruit users. I do suppose someone like Shanks or Garp would survive what in reality would probably crack your spine in half without losing consciousness, but you'd still be drawn into the ocean.

Kizaru's lasers aren't even comparable. Failed to hit anything. Fujitora's rubble, well it's just rubble, there's plenty of characters that could protect themselves on the spot. Had Fujitora attacked Marineford with the Dressrosa rubble instead of Whitebeard's Tsunami, there's a ton of characters that could have stopped that or survive it without consequences for the upcoming battle.

Only Aokiji could have stopped the Tsunami in that situation.

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Admirals second class, Homie

I don't think so and Whitebeard's other feats are quite worse than Kaido's/Big Mom's and at least Akainu's implied ones.

But the fruit alone is nuts and warranted the position of strongest man till the end of his life.

It's pretty symbolic that it's literally the power that threatens the very existence of Japan.

And it's also very symbolic that Blackbeard takes it. Not only does it make for a good final villain, it also combines well with the Yami Yami no Mi into a Cthonian theme, the powers of the Underworld, the Devil!

Did I mention that a Black Hole is a fallen sun?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

akainus magma would evaporate all that water. man said his magma burns even fire. trust me that tsunami woulda been turned to steam if it was akainu that dealt with it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

akainus magma would evaporate all that water. man said his magma burns even fire. trust me that tsunami woulda been turned to steam if it was akainu that dealt with it.

That's not how that works. His magma would be turned to stone far before it could produce enough heat to evaporate tsunamis

I actually laughed at this one. Too funny

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I don't think so and Whitebeard's other feats are quite worse than Kaido's/Big Mom's and at least Akainu's implied ones.

But the fruit alone is nuts and warranted the position of strongest man till the end of his life.

It's pretty symbolic that it's literally the power that threatens the very existence of Japan.

And it's also very symbolic that Blackbeard takes it. Not only does it make for a good final villain, it also combines well with the Yami Yami no Mi into a Cthonian theme, the powers of the Underworld, the Devil!

Did I mention that a Black Hole is a fallen sun?

I was joking. I know their legit. I place all but Akainu right under the Yonko.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I think you haven't quite understood what a Tsunami is. This is way too much water. Water isn't solid, it cannot be stopped by One Piece measures, and it can hardly be stopped irl, too.

If Akainu made two Magma waves to halt it, the water would break the solidifying Magma and everything still gets crushed.

It's also just nasty against fruit users. I do suppose someone like Shanks or Garp would survive what in reality would probably crack your spine in half without losing consciousness, but you'd still be drawn into the ocean.

Kizaru's lasers aren't even comparable. Failed to hit anything. Fujitora's rubble, well it's just rubble, there's plenty of characters that could protect themselves on the spot. Had Fujitora attacked Marineford with the Dressrosa rubble instead of Whitebeard's Tsunami, there's a ton of characters that could have stopped that or survive it without consequences for the upcoming battle.

Only Aokiji could have stopped the Tsunami in that situation.

I wouldn't be too quick and dismiss the possibility of Akainu just vaporizing the tsunamis. If we had never seen Aokiji freezing water at that scale when he was first introduced would anyone of us guess someone with an ice logia can freeze that large a volume of water in an instant?

Oda has made a point of showcasing that both Akainu and Aokiji have similar levels of power and impact on large areas by showing us half the terrain of an entire island frozen and half magma so it's not too much of a stretch to believe Akainu could do similar scale attacks with his magma as Aokiji can with his ice.

I don't think we can use real world physics and talking about the volume of water etc when talking on this topic. It makes no logical sense that tsunami's of that size can freeze instantly, the temperatures drop required to do that on that scale would be enormous. The only reason you're accepting it as a given is because that's how Oda wrote it.

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True, but Oda can asspull his way into making Strawhats as powerful as he needs.

Nothing suggested that Franky or Robin could compete with Tobiroppo, who are on or above Vergo level (someone who far outclassed everyone in PH except monster trio).
Page One, a Tobiroppo, was strong enough to make Sanji use his RS in beginning of Wano as well.

Yet they Franky and Robin still did what they did.

Also, we have all the insane jumps in PL by the 5 rooftop Supernovas and Sanji in this arc as well.

At this point, I've given up trying to make any sense of how Oda writes powercreep. He does what he wants, doesn't matter if it makes any sense

Yeah the power creep lately has been pretty insane. I was surprised when Franky used the same laser beam a Pacifista can shoot to take out a Tobiroppo. Robin at least showcased entirely new abilities but I get your point, SH in new world have made insane jumps in strength without much rhyme or reason other than they needed to win. My worry is since Usopp didn't make those jumps and in fact was pretty disappointing in Wano, it will make it that much more ridiculous when we do see him win against a strong opponent (presumably stronger than the opponents that beat him handily during Wano). More of a perception thing for me than will actually win a fight.

 

[McNuss]

True, but Oda can asspull his way into making Strawhats as powerful as he needs.

Nothing suggested that Franky or Robin could compete with Tobiroppo, who are on or above Vergo level (someone who far outclassed everyone in PH except monster trio).
Page One, a Tobiroppo, was strong enough to make Sanji use his RS in beginning of Wano as well.

Yet they Franky and Robin still did what they did.

Also, we have all the insane jumps in PL by the 5 rooftop Supernovas and Sanji in this arc as well.

At this point, I've given up trying to make any sense of how Oda writes powercreep. He does what he wants, doesn't matter if it makes any sense

There is no powercreep. The Shogun fodderized Baby 5 and Buffalo to the point that it must have been their Sabaody. We knew it's limits weren't tested, and the limit is Sasaki. No Shogun and he wouldn't have stood a chance which is kinda funny since we didn't see the limit of the normal body either since he objected using his gadgets against Senor Pink.

Robin has always been powerful, people just tend to forget about that but until he gets Diable Jambe she is arguably stronger than Sanji. She also quickly took hold of Hakuba more recently.

Pre-RS Sanji arguably sucks, but I doubt he would have needed the Raid Suit to defeat Page One. They were hiding and he wanted to dispatch him as quickly as possible.

I'd also put Vergo definitely above any of the Tobi Roppo, except Ulti, who is really strong, and maybe Who's Who who faced Jinbe so that's kinda unlucky for him. Sasaki is strong, but clumsy and Page One can't cut it, as they said. Black Maria is meh but whores are powerful on a wholly different level and she is a gigantic...whore so there is that.