Chapter Tower of God Chapter 531 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Shin Translation

Edit @Lady pompom @Demonspeed pin please

 

[Cinera]

He didn't think the same of Gustang, did he?

Bam also has horns, he also has a dark Shinsoo. By logic he is the evil one too, right?

Yes, Baam is the Monster that will devour the entire Tower. This has been said by many people from his mother to Rachel, to Hwa Ryun, to the Rankers on the Floor of Tests and even Maschenny.

SIU really didn't give us anything in these chapters other than Bam's gut feeling that he can't trust Leviathan. Nothing in Leviathan's lines or behavior say that.

It sounds pretty much on message with the kind of talk we've heard from the likes of Zahard, Gustang and Traum. Baam doesn't want to be responsible for another ego like that being allowed to run amok.

It's not Leviathan's words that rubbed Baam the wrong way.

Baam's intuition tells him that it's extremely dangerous:

And I can sense from its piercing voice.

The thing that is about to wake up-

Is extremely dangerous-

And:

I felt through my intuition.

My name is Twenty-Fifth Baam..

This thing is way too dangerous to be taken outside to the world.

If I were to take this out in order to keep my promise with Princess Maschenny, then I would be committing a sin to this world.

Baam's intuition is screaming to him that the creature before him is a danger beyond imagination. A danger that if he releases, he'll be sinning against the world.


SIU has said that the Family Leaders have intuition that borders on "fortune telling" (precognition? future sight?) and that may be what is manifesting here.

Other family heads who could have created demons are Hana Yheon who got rid of her ability to feel love for the opposite sex. Would not surprise me if those feelings exist somewhere as an ancient demon of lust.

Now I need a sexy aged up succubus version of Yihwa.

 

[Phantaminum]

I hate to say this but most people here don't know how to read between the lines the connection on what Ha Jinsung said, Mascheny, 10 FH on Laevatian, The Laevatian and Bam. Guys start focusing on why Mascheny wanted Bam to go inside before making hypothetical theory because I hate to say it that your theories are kind of off.

 

[Sousko]

He just said to Bam he won't submit to anyone ever again with his power. His first wish was to get out with Bam, together, not submitting anyone.

I get that somehow Bam thought he was a threat to the entire Tower, but maybe he is just scared. Maybe it's the first time he sees a creature this powerfull and reacted poorly. But doesn't seem like a nice response at all.

EDIT: he wants to be free and to see Bam free as well. Wth.

It’s tower of god bro . Your the type of character that would get stabbed in the back by Rachel since you seem so naive. Bam didn’t believe that arrogant beings words and figure he’d become an enemy later so he chose to subdue it I don’t see the problem with that.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I hate to say this but most people here don't know how to read between the lines the connection on what Ha Jinsung said, Mascheny, 10 FH on Laevatian, The Laevatian and Bam. Guys start focusing on why Mascheny wanted Bam to go inside before making hypothetical theory because I hate to say it that your theories are kind of off.

Can you elaborate?

 

[Ignorant]

I hate to say this but most people here don't know how to read between the lines the connection on what Ha Jinsung said, Mascheny, 10 FH on Laevatian, The Laevatian and Bam. Guys start focusing on why Mascheny wanted Bam to go inside before making hypothetical theory because I hate to say it that your theories are kind of off.

Can you elaborate?

 

[sazon]

Taking into account all this speculation that 13GW has certain demons and leviathan having a symbology related to envy. how to relate the other sins with the FH and zahard?

I would bet on:

Hon - gluttony

Eduan - lust

Blossom - Wrath

Yurin - Sloth

Hana - Vanity

Traumerei - envy

Gustang - Pride.

Zahard alone could symbolize almost everything there, so I can't really associate him with a single one.

I don't think we know much about Tperie, Ari Han and Bloodmadder (I think he's a cowardly and dirty extreme, but there are those who defend him so...) I couldn't associate them with anything.

 

[Cinera]

we know traumerei have the nest to zahard.

In fairness, this could have been retconned.

Time being frozen inside the Frozen Waterfall was retconned.

so we can't rule out the demon not being what mascheny wanted. she might not even have known that was there.

Nope. See AA's thoughts on the matter:

Spoiler

AA said that:

1. It is highly likely that the Voice Baam heard is the thing Maschenny sent them to the Suspendium for.
2. Even though Maschenny said that she doesn't know what's inside the Suspendium, it appeared to him like she was certain about its contents.

Considering this is AA, it is most likely the case that this speculation is the truth.

How Maschenny gifted baam something she can’t obtain for herself ?

And you guys still spend days arguing with him about Maschenny

Maschenny sent Baam into the Suspendium for him to get his hands on Leviathan.

If she hadn't sent him into the Suspendium, he would have never gotten a hold of Leviathan. Leviathan is her gift to him for his impending battle against Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

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[Jubei_Kibagami]

Taking into account all this speculation that 13GW has certain demons and leviathan having a symbology related to envy. how to relate the other sins with the FH and zahard?

I would bet on:

Hon - gluttony

Eduan - lust

Blossom - Wrath

Yurin - Sloth

Hana - Vanity

Traumerei - envy

Gustang - Pride.

Zahard alone could symbolize almost everything there, so I can't really associate him with a single one.

I don't think we know much about Tperie, Ari Han and Bloodmadder (I think he's a cowardly and dirty extreme, but there are those who defend him so...) I couldn't associate them with anything.

Interesting.

But I kind of hope at least some of the FH's have kept their noses clean. As in the 'good' FH's can join Baam against the corrupted ones.

For instance, you associate pride with Gustang but that could easily be any FH. Hopefully he's not corrupted.

 

[Sousko]

It would not surprise me that Maschenny's intention from the get go, or at least hope was for Bam to inherit this monster, and for him to be seen by Zahard and Trameiri. If like she said or implied, she wanted to shake up the tower and bring chaos, she was smart enough, and In The Know enough to understand that an irregular was needed to upset things. She Obviously knew about the creature, and she probably knew about Arlene's prophesy. From her POV the risks to herself (as a betrayer of Zahard) is probably well worth it.

If Bam does successfully assimilate the creature, his powers would be largely increased, he should then be able to wield the Thorns at a greater extent than before. This should be Maschenny's plan from the start. What could create chaos more than this?

I didn’t see her expecting bam to subdue it as part of her plan at all. Based off her dialogue with Bam she underestimates and thinks lowly of him. If you take her mentioning she wanted to shake things up into account, I took that as her wanting the monster to get released into the tower once again and using bam as pawn to break the spell . Bam not being used as a pawn and taking matters into his own hands by subduing the monster for himself. That’s what I took from it idk how you interpreted the opposite lol

 

[Ignorant]

@O_n_Sly you said countless times that Traumerei killed the beast... get out under your rock!

 

[JustJosh]

He is what he is because he doesn't have the power to be anything else. Let's see if that changes. I'm betting that it will. Wangnan is essentially the 'nice guy' coin flip of Rachel. Right down to the inferiority complex towards Baam.

Didn't he agree to kill someone to Gain power?

 

[Sousko]

Didn't he agree to kill someone to Gain power?

Our global moderator will come from the depths of Lurking Hell so please quit talking about wang in this forum. He hasn’t appeared in years and not relevant at the moment he shouldn’t be a topic right now. We’re discussing the later chapter in this forum.

 

[Ignorant]

My guys need to know that what leviathan said is not somethings related to the 7 deadly sins or something..
If you are christian and read the bible you know that SIU use few bible verses.. all leviathan said is the same thing stated in the bible to describe him..

 

[sazon]

Interesting.

But I kind of hope at least some of the FH's have kept their noses clean. As in the 'good' FH's can join Baam against the corrupted ones.

For instance, you associate pride with Gustang but that could easily be any FH. Hopefully he's not corrupted.

So I kind of don't associate the fact that they have demons with them being in favor of zahard, not least because Baam himself leans towards a darker than good existence.

I would just say that Gustang beats the most pride out of all the FH we've had a real expression of so far.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

@O_n_Sly you said countless time that Traumerei killed the beast... get out under your rock!

[This is Ralphie punching *in a certain direction*]

 

[sazon]

That's right, sly don't show up today. He must be in shock from the blow

 

[Cinera]

I think Baam being a spell breaker is a unique characteristics that is privileged only to him, even if he were to be compared among his fellow irregulars like Urek.

Whatever his mother has brought back then could be the being that could unravel even the administrators contract that grants immortality towards the FH.

No, Baam is below the Great Warriors in spell breaking. See this post of mine:

It was specifically said that only the Family Leaders and Zahard could break the spell on the Second Wall:

Spoiler

Baam could only disable it for "a second":

Spoiler

So the Great Warriors are superior spell breakers to Baam (at least current Baam).

Is there a panel to confirm this? I don't remember it being temporary.

Yeah, it was said in that same chapter as the scan I posted. Hwa Ryun said that Baam can only break the spell for "a second":

 

[Fish009]

Blossom - Wrath

Yurin - Sloth

Shouldn't these 2 be the other way around since Eurasia descendants sleep alot while Ha family are hot-heads?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

So I kind of don't associate the fact that they have demons with them being in favor of zahard, not least because Baam himself leans towards a darker than good existence.

I would just say that Gustang beats the most pride out of all the FH we've had a real expression of so far.

Not sure if Baam will end up with a similar fate though. He could be the hero, the ultimate villain, or a demon-powered antihero. Or antivillain. He's already been repeatedly called or alluded to being a monster.

Yes, Gustang is super-prideful, but so is Zahard as you point out. And recently I'd say Rei is just as bad if not worse calling everyone and everything a trifle, like Gustang does with 'bugs'...

In short, ALL the FH's we've had any measurable amount of time with are like this, and I kind of expect the others to be as well.



You give Yurin the sloth association. Maybe. But I'd like to think her isolation is well-meaning. Idk.

Obviously everything is shades of grey.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 20, 2022, Original Post Date: Feb 20, 2022 ---

Didn't he agree to kill someone to Gain power?

Welcome.

 

[sazon]

Shouldn't these 2 be the other way around since Eurasia descendants sleep alot while Ha family are hot-heads?

I thought about it, but both Eduan and the Blossom lore refer to her as being extremely temperamental.

And Yurin doesn't care about anything, leaving everything to others.

But your justification is good too.