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Yes, Baam is the Monster that will devour the entire Tower. This has been said by many people from his mother to Rachel, to Hwa Ryun, to the Rankers on the Floor of Tests and even Maschenny.He didn't think the same of Gustang, did he?
Bam also has horns, he also has a dark Shinsoo. By logic he is the evil one too, right?
SIU really didn't give us anything in these chapters other than Bam's gut feeling that he can't trust Leviathan. Nothing in Leviathan's lines or behavior say that.
It's not Leviathan's words that rubbed Baam the wrong way.It sounds pretty much on message with the kind of talk we've heard from the likes of Zahard, Gustang and Traum. Baam doesn't want to be responsible for another ego like that being allowed to run amok.
And:Baam said:And I can sense from its piercing voice.
The thing that is about to wake up-
Is extremely dangerous-
Baam's intuition is screaming to him that the creature before him is a danger beyond imagination. A danger that if he releases, he'll be sinning against the world.Baam said:I felt through my intuition.
My name is Twenty-Fifth Baam..
This thing is way too dangerous to be taken outside to the world.
If I were to take this out in order to keep my promise with Princess Maschenny, then I would be committing a sin to this world.
Now I need a sexy aged up succubus version of Yihwa.Other family heads who could have created demons are Hana Yheon who got rid of her ability to feel love for the opposite sex. Would not surprise me if those feelings exist somewhere as an ancient demon of lust.
It’s tower of god bro . Your the type of character that would get stabbed in the back by Rachel since you seem so naive. Bam didn’t believe that arrogant beings words and figure he’d become an enemy later so he chose to subdue it I don’t see the problem with that.He just said to Bam he won't submit to anyone ever again with his power. His first wish was to get out with Bam, together, not submitting anyone.
I get that somehow Bam thought he was a threat to the entire Tower, but maybe he is just scared. Maybe it's the first time he sees a creature this powerfull and reacted poorly. But doesn't seem like a nice response at all.
EDIT: he wants to be free and to see Bam free as well. Wth.
Can you elaborate?I hate to say this but most people here don't know how to read between the lines the connection on what Ha Jinsung said, Mascheny, 10 FH on Laevatian, The Laevatian and Bam.Guys start focusing on why Mascheny wanted Bam to go inside before making hypothetical theory because I hate to say it that your theories are kind of off.
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Can you elaborate?I hate to say this but most people here don't know how to read between the lines the connection on what Ha Jinsung said, Mascheny, 10 FH on Laevatian, The Laevatian and Bam.Guys start focusing on why Mascheny wanted Bam to go inside before making hypothetical theory because I hate to say it that your theories are kind of off.
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In fairness, this could have been retconned.we know traumerei have the nest to zahard.
Nope. See AA's thoughts on the matter:so we can't rule out the demon not being what mascheny wanted. she might not even have known that was there.
How Maschenny gifted baam something she can’t obtain for herself ?
Maschenny sent Baam into the Suspendium for him to get his hands on Leviathan.And you guys still spend days arguing with him about Maschenny
Interesting.Taking into account all this speculation that 13GW has certain demons and leviathan having a symbology related to envy. how to relate the other sins with the FH and zahard?
I would bet on:
Hon - gluttony
Eduan - lust
Blossom - Wrath
Yurin - Sloth
Hana - Vanity
Traumerei - envy
Gustang - Pride.
Zahard alone could symbolize almost everything there, so I can't really associate him with a single one.
I don't think we know much about Tperie, Ari Han and Bloodmadder (I think he's a cowardly and dirty extreme, but there are those who defend him so...) I couldn't associate them with anything.
I didn’t see her expecting bam to subdue it as part of her plan at all. Based off her dialogue with Bam she underestimates and thinks lowly of him. If you take her mentioning she wanted to shake things up into account, I took that as her wanting the monster to get released into the tower once again and using bam as pawn to break the spell . Bam not being used as a pawn and taking matters into his own hands by subduing the monster for himself. That’s what I took from it idk how you interpreted the opposite lolIt would not surprise me that Maschenny's intention from the get go, or at least hope was for Bam to inherit this monster, and for him to be seen by Zahard and Trameiri. If like she said or implied, she wanted to shake up the tower and bring chaos, she was smart enough, and In The Know enough to understand that an irregular was needed to upset things. She Obviously knew about the creature, and she probably knew about Arlene's prophesy. From her POV the risks to herself (as a betrayer of Zahard) is probably well worth it.
If Bam does successfully assimilate the creature, his powers would be largely increased, he should then be able to wield the Thorns at a greater extent than before. This should be Maschenny's plan from the start. What could create chaos more than this?
Didn't he agree to kill someone to Gain power?He is what he is because he doesn't have the power to be anything else. Let's see if that changes. I'm betting that it will. Wangnan is essentially the 'nice guy' coin flip of Rachel. Right down to the inferiority complex towards Baam.
Our global moderator will come from the depths of Lurking Hell so please quit talking about wang in this forum. He hasn’t appeared in years and not relevant at the moment he shouldn’t be a topic right now. We’re discussing the later chapter in this forum.Didn't he agree to kill someone to Gain power?
So I kind of don't associate the fact that they have demons with them being in favor of zahard, not least because Baam himself leans towards a darker than good existence.Interesting.
But I kind of hope at least some of the FH's have kept their noses clean. As in the 'good' FH's can join Baam against the corrupted ones.
For instance, you associate pride with Gustang but that could easily be any FH. Hopefully he's not corrupted.
@O_n_Sly you said countless time that Traumerei killed the beast... get out under your rock!
No, Baam is below the Great Warriors in spell breaking. See this post of mine:I think Baam being a spell breaker is a unique characteristics that is privileged only to him, even if he were to be compared among his fellow irregulars like Urek.
Whatever his mother has brought back then could be the being that could unravel even the administrators contract that grants immortality towards the FH.
It was specifically said that only the Family Leaders and Zahard could break the spell on the Second Wall:
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Baam could only disable it for "a second":
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So the Great Warriors are superior spell breakers to Baam (at least current Baam).
Yeah, it was said in that same chapter as the scan I posted. Hwa Ryun said that Baam can only break the spell for "a second":Is there a panel to confirm this? I don't remember it being temporary.
Shouldn't these 2 be the other way around since Eurasia descendants sleep alot while Ha family are hot-heads?Blossom - Wrath
Yurin - Sloth
Not sure if Baam will end up with a similar fate though. He could be the hero, the ultimate villain, or a demon-powered antihero. Or antivillain. He's already been repeatedly called or alluded to being a monster.So I kind of don't associate the fact that they have demons with them being in favor of zahard, not least because Baam himself leans towards a darker than good existence.
I would just say that Gustang beats the most pride out of all the FH we've had a real expression of so far.
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Welcome.Didn't he agree to kill someone to Gain power?
I thought about it, but both Eduan and the Blossom lore refer to her as being extremely temperamental.Shouldn't these 2 be the other way around since Eurasia descendants sleep alot while Ha family are hot-heads?