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Huh, in the comments section, Nakaba said he received old sake (or aged wine) from his editor as a present for his birthday.
Can't help being a drunkard, can he?
 

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Arthur's probably doing something if Meliodas is asking Percival for help lmfao - man never asked anybody for help in the original series, why he starting now?

It's nice to see Fairies/Giants existing in the human realm and not be suspicious of humans like they used to, shame the Goddesses/Demons seem to reside in their own realms still, probably better with Arthur wanting genocide soon.

''Triple Trouble'' for the next chapter might mean Tristan is coming into the series finally? Lancelot/Percival/Tristan seem like they fit that bill, but Mel's inclination that he will explain everything soon enough means all four will assemble? I don't know, feels like the fourth 4KOA hasn't had enough coverage to just be yeeted into the story yet.

Bruh can I just see Elizabeth and Tristan already? Mel's wanking the screen time again for himself :pwnge
 

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Did the chapter come out
 

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I liked the sudden double spread with a black background. It was an instant transition from some lighthearted worldbuilding to establishing an imminent threat. Meliodas seems to believe that Arthur is capable of destroying all of Liones, which again begs the question why he hasn't done it already. Hopefully we get some kind of an explanation soon. If I had to guess, I'd say Arthur's search for his bride might be relevant to it, simply because everyone trying to locate her pits the cast against Arthur in a very personal way without forcing them to actually fight each other directly just yet.

It's kind of interesting to see the other clans living together with humans. Arthur's knights probably aren't too happy about this, and Deathpierce must be absolutely seething. I'm surprised that the giants even manage to live side by side with humans without causing accidents and what have you. Like imagine dropping some change and having to use your shovel-sized fingers to somehow pick up some coins that are so small you can't even see them without kneeling down and destroying a couple of houses in the process.

I don't think the graces gave immunity to the curses, it was a separate buff by the SD that did that. Escanor didn't have immunity, but someone like the Goddess Elizabeth did (or at least, it was implied).

Just my 2 cence.
I can't remember if Escanor was ever inflicted by a curse from a Commandment. However, the SD was able to hand out immunities since that happened with Merlin, so you could be right about that.

Maybe it's something to do with the intro from the anime where it talks about NNT being a time before the humans were separated.
I always thought the prophesized apocalypse that the FKOTA are going to trigger is what will end up separating the realms. They're going to cause Arthur's downfall(but not by defeating him), resulting in Chaos getting out of control and reshaping the entire world. All the magic and fantasy stuff disappears, leaving Britannia with only humans and people that look like humans such as Lancelot and Tristan. Then hundreds of years later their distant descendants all play golf together. Small world.


It's not just magic though. We can see that in Ludociel's bargain with Margaret, and the way he treated her body. And as far as we know, they were dragged into the war. Afterall, we know how the first Holy War began, Meliodas switching sides. Gowther told us the goddesses then used that to seize the advantage. Original Gowther is the closest thing we have to an unbiased source, since he was opposed to both sides, and it fits with the flashbacks we were given. I wouldn't even say they were hated by the other clans, at least in the case of the giants. We know why Drole fought, and it was basically as proof of strength. It's not that there were sympathetic demons, it's that we were shown their reasons for doing what they did - the goddesses weren't just attacking demons, they were specifically targeting civilizes, which was shown out of line by the fact Ludociel hid it. Same appeared to be the case with original Gowther's lover. And the betrayal of the humans were due to Sigma casually wiping out an entire village, though it's not clear (at least in the manga) how many humans were apart of Sigma... We only see Rou's group of four, but it seems really crazy that four humans could have taken out dozens of giants, fairies, and goddesses.
I don't think the goddesses dragged the other clans into the war. Stigma was a voluntary alliance rather than a situation where the goddesses just forced the other clans to work for them. This is shown with how Rou's group's betrayal was because of what happened to their village. If they were being coerced to fight, that alone would be a reason to switch sides, and their motives would also be immediately obvious to the fairies and giants who would have been in the same predicament. Drole's reason for fighting was his own and isn't indicative of the other giants. He took his philosophy so far that he actually ended up joining the demons and as far as I can remember he was the only giant to have done so.

To clarify, I'm not saying that the goddesses were blameless in the conflict. They were very clearly overzealous to an extent even greater than what we've seen of Arthur's knights so far. However, that doesn't mean that the demons were portrayed as some kind of victims in that scenario. We've seen them do horrendous things and we also know that the other clans disliked them enough to join the goddesses. Even Meliodas eventually had enough of his clan and killed two of his fellow TC members before joining the alliance. In fact, it seems like pretty much all of the good guy demons eventually ended up betraying the clan, while none of the evil ones did.

True, though that should have been everyone but the bravest. And yeah, it is hard to say, but based on the epilogue the combined number of people underground couldn't have been more then 30, and Nanashi seem to have saved more then died. That an unknown number were sacrificed is a major counterpoint, though those deaths would have taken place long before the destruction of Camelot.
I wouldn't use the people shown on-panel as a measure, because Nakaba basically never draws the kind of wide shots where you can really see the scale of the crowds. It's always just some small groups of people and the implication that there are more off-panel. The only real indicator of how many died in total is the scene in the movie where we see the giant graveyard in the ruins of Camelot, the graves numbering at least in the thousands if not tens of thousands based on the sheer scale of the site.

Well as mentioned, the only reason I think the razing was meant more then that was because Ordo's actions did cause the majority to flee from the gorge, yet Talisker thought that was lenient and was still upset. Not much reason to be upset if he got what he wanted. And perhaps. But the way his knights speak appear a lot more fervent then merely wanting the other races to go their own way.
If Talisker wanted all of the fairies and goddesses to leave the Gorge and never come back, then it's not too surprising that he would be unsatisfied to see a bunch of them still living there. As for how the knights speak, that varies from person to person. Ironside seems like the most zealous of the bunch, Ardbeg hated the demons after losing his daughter but barely mentioned the other clans, Talisker was satisfied with forcing the fairies and giants to flee, and Pellegarde basically just does his own thing. I don't know whether this means that they're interpreting Arthur's desires differently or if Arthur himself doesn't have a clearly defined plan, perhaps because of his weird mood swings.

Fair enough, but one would think if something unbelievable was said, there would have been more outcry about it. Or they wouldn't have doubted Anne's words. Would that be easy? For the majority of people, traveling across the country wouldn't be an easy task in general, much less with the sort of dangers we know exist. True, but the majority of people would only know what happen to Camelot by being told, and what they're told wouldn't necessary be what actually happen. We saw this with the whole Danafor situation, which the believed truth was Meliodas destroyed it... The base for saving the most survived was Merlin's statement of that, and there isn't much reason to believe she was lying, as oppose to Cath attempting to trick Arthur. Without Meliodas though, Liones should hardly be a threat, no matter how loyal they are.
When Anne told the citizens the truth they chastised her for accusing a holy knight of lying, which gives me the impression that they just believed what an esteemed authority figure told them. We know that Nasiens and Ordo used to travel to nearby towns and Donny also somehow made his way to basically the other end of the entire island as a performer in a circus troupe, so it can't be that difficult to get around. It's fair to point out that what people are told isn't necessarily the truth, but I'm not sure that really applies in the case of the Holy War because of how recently it happened and how it engulfed pretty much all of Britannia. You bring up Danafor as an example, but that's hardly comparable seeing how the only people who knew what had happened there were Meliodas, who avoided speaking about his past, and Fraudrin, who wasn't even discovered until later. There were effectively no witnesses to the event, just people seeing Meliodas walk away from a massive hole where the kingdom used to be. Merlin's statement about rescuing the people of Camelot was about the ones the demons were keeping on the surface. She had no knowledge of the ones hiding underground and it's unclear whether she was accounting for the ones who had already been killed by then.

Everything points to this conflict between them going on for the last 16 years, so Donny should've know that, especially since it would have been the reason for training in the first place. And it's more like the actual history isn't taught in Liones - we saw this with Tristan and how he had no knowledge of the truth about the Sins til specifically told. So unless Howzer went out of his way to discuss things, he probably wouldn't know what Donny knew or didn't know. That's presuming that Donny didn't merely learn this after running away.
Based on what we've seen, the conflict between Camelot and Liones isn't very overt. They're not amassing their armies to fight in the fields, but instead sending individual knights or small teams to conduct secret missions. It's not the kind of conflict that most people would be aware of or that you would immediately inform any new recruits about, especially when most of them would just end up doing some generic fantasy stuff like killing minor monsters. The thing with Tristan was due to Meliodas messing with him, which the other Sins commented on. It's also not that surprising that young children wouldn't really have a very good understanding of history.
 

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I think the tittle is related to the calamities which are going to happen to Liones and more(?).
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I was thinking Triple Trouble would just be Nacien, Anne, and Donny screwing around the town and seeing other characters.
Skipping to them after this would be criminal... :twitch
 

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Overall, not a bad chapter BUT enormously simplistic to the point where it did not need to exist just to stall for time.
 

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What if the triple trouble is trouble to the 3 realms... Goddess/heaven , Fairy and Demon ...Arthur did say he'd have to take matter into his own hands and Meiodas just said it would all go away...
 

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The coolest thing about this chapter was Meliodas also communicating in the Demon language, other than that it's one of those slow chapters.
 

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One thing I've noticed which has been bothering me lately is the way Nakaba draws noses now. He very rarely did it this way in NNT but as of the more recent chapters in MNY he's been doing it a lot more and it imo it looks bad.

I understand what he's going for but I'm not a fan if it, and in some panels it looks like the nose has been completely chopped off:
Here's the original vs some of my edits with Nakaba's other nose styles:
 

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One thing I've noticed which has been bothering me lately is the way Nakaba draws noses now. He very rarely did it this way in NNT but as of the more recent chapters in MNY he's been doing it a lot more and it imo it looks bad.

I understand what he's going for but I'm not a fan if it, and in some panels it looks like the nose has been completely chopped off:
Here's the original vs some of my edits with Nakaba's other nose styles:
Hmm, didn't notice it until now, but yeah. Some hatched shading would work wonders for those small bits. You know, just like how he did on Lancelot's neck in that second photo, lol. And he does it for other noses too, so I'm not sure.
 

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I'm concern we'll have to wait longer to get some answers, if Meliodas intends to wait til they all have been assembled. It was nice to see around the new Liones, looks like a wonderful place. Appears as if Meliodas doesn't know why Percy can understand/speak the demon language either. And that was quite the way to end the chapter on. I guess, since both sides are working under a prophecy, it should be obvious that without the Four Knights, Arthur shall succeed. It is curious that Meliodas of all people would need help...

I don't think the goddesses dragged the other clans into the war. Stigma was a voluntary alliance rather than a situation where the goddesses just forced the other clans to work for them. This is shown with how Rou's group's betrayal was because of what happened to their village. If they were being coerced to fight, that alone would be a reason to switch sides, and their motives would also be immediately obvious to the fairies and giants who would have been in the same predicament. Drole's reason for fighting was his own and isn't indicative of the other giants. He took his philosophy so far that he actually ended up joining the demons and as far as I can remember he was the only giant to have done so.
I would agrue they were "dragged" in under a false pretense, as we know the reason for the war was not as they portrayed it. It was a power grab. Based on what we know of the giants, I think Drole's reasoning would likely be the case for most if not all the giants, as all they care about is strength. And Drole becoming one of the commandments was also due to word of his bravery being known in even the demon world, giving Zeldris a reason to make the offer in the first place.

To clarify, I'm not saying that the goddesses were blameless in the conflict. They were very clearly overzealous to an extent even greater than what we've seen of Arthur's knights so far. However, that doesn't mean that the demons were portrayed as some kind of victims in that scenario. We've seen them do horrendous things and we also know that the other clans disliked them enough to join the goddesses. Even Meliodas eventually had enough of his clan and killed two of his fellow TC members before joining the alliance. In fact, it seems like pretty much all of the good guy demons eventually ended up betraying the clan, while none of the evil ones did.
It's true we've seen them do horrendous things, but that was in the present, after the terrible stuff during the first Holy War went down. We've strangely not shown them doing anything overtly evil in the past, nor have anything but assumptions on why the giants and fairies were against them. And Meliodas left to be with Elisabeth, I don't think we were shown him having an issue with them beyond their opposition to their relationship. I would argue that those who left were given reasons to do so, not because they dislike their clan or anything. Zeldris would be the best example - we know Zeldris' end goal, peace and being with Gelda, despite him being the commanding force behind the resurrected demons actions. He's willing to do anything to achieve his goal, and only turns against his father when it's established that there is no path to that goal.

I wouldn't use the people shown on-panel as a measure, because Nakaba basically never draws the kind of wide shots where you can really see the scale of the crowds. It's always just some small groups of people and the implication that there are more off-panel. The only real indicator of how many died in total is the scene in the movie where we see the giant graveyard in the ruins of Camelot, the graves numbering at least in the thousands if not tens of thousands based on the sheer scale of the site.
There could be more off-screen, but not that much more given all the free space around. And Nanashi's comment about not being able to save them all would be strange if the majority had died. Plus, if there was thousands hiding underground, that's not something that could easily be hidden.

If Talisker wanted all of the fairies and goddesses to leave the Gorge and never come back, then it's not too surprising that he would be unsatisfied to see a bunch of them still living there. As for how the knights speak, that varies from person to person. Ironside seems like the most zealous of the bunch, Ardbeg hated the demons after losing his daughter but barely mentioned the other clans, Talisker was satisfied with forcing the fairies and giants to flee, and Pellegarde basically just does his own thing. I don't know whether this means that they're interpreting Arthur's desires differently or if Arthur himself doesn't have a clearly defined plan, perhaps because of his weird mood swings.
Until Percy and gang appeared, Nasiens was the only one still living there, everyone else had fled outside. So Talisker's goal had been filled if that was what he wanted. Perhaps, or it could be the situations they were in, with their comments more focus on what they were dealing with. Seeing as they're apparently in direct communication with Arthur, and him seemingly giving out orders, I don't think they could misinterpret his orders. I think, based on what we've seen, Arthur has an overall plot, but due to the fact that his opponents are predicting the future, he's having to make things up as he goes along.

When Anne told the citizens the truth they chastised her for accusing a holy knight of lying, which gives me the impression that they just believed what an esteemed authority figure told them. We know that Nasiens and Ordo used to travel to nearby towns and Donny also somehow made his way to basically the other end of the entire island as a performer in a circus troupe, so it can't be that difficult to get around. It's fair to point out that what people are told isn't necessarily the truth, but I'm not sure that really applies in the case of the Holy War because of how recently it happened and how it engulfed pretty much all of Britannia. You bring up Danafor as an example, but that's hardly comparable seeing how the only people who knew what had happened there were Meliodas, who avoided speaking about his past, and Fraudrin, who wasn't even discovered until later. There were effectively no witnesses to the event, just people seeing Meliodas walk away from a massive hole where the kingdom used to be. Merlin's statement about rescuing the people of Camelot was about the ones the demons were keeping on the surface. She had no knowledge of the ones hiding underground and it's unclear whether she was accounting for the ones who had already been killed by then.
Agree, they appeared to believe him because he was a Holy Knight. That said, if ti was some truly wild claim, I doubt it would only be met with slight disbelief. Going to a neighboring village is one thing, but traveling cross country would be a task. Donny did so, but Donny is also had training. I think it would work, because only a handful of people would have had firsthand knowledge of what went down in the conclusion of the Holy War, and at Camelot, as we know the situation at Camelot was a lot more complicated then it just being wiped out. Everyone else would only know the demons were fought and the war ended. And true, Merlin didn't appear to have knowledge of those underground, though Arthur also seem unable to sense them.

Based on what we've seen, the conflict between Camelot and Liones isn't very overt. They're not amassing their armies to fight in the fields, but instead sending individual knights or small teams to conduct secret missions. It's not the kind of conflict that most people would be aware of or that you would immediately inform any new recruits about, especially when most of them would just end up doing some generic fantasy stuff like killing minor monsters. The thing with Tristan was due to Meliodas messing with him, which the other Sins commented on. It's also not that surprising that young children wouldn't really have a very good understanding of history.
Maybe. Arthur's knights don't seem to be making it any secret to what they're up to. That aside, I would expect someone related to and trained by a high-ranking Holy knight to know something, especially when Howzer isn't exactly tight-lipped about it. Meliodas was messing with him playing the villain, but the sheer lack of any knowledge of parents' feats is quite something.
 

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No I don't think so. This introduction segment is in every season.

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"This is an era of ancient times, an era before the human and non-human worlds were forever divided"

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"This is a tale of ancient times, when the human and non-human worlds had not yet split."

We've never seen the humans be completely separated from the other races, not yet anyway. This is my opinion but I think Arthur's goal is the elimination of other races so that an everlasting human kingdom will never have to face war or conflict. By the end of MNY, either the protagonists or Arthur himself will separate the humans from the other races in another dimension or world.
The intro is for NNT which mean it about Holy War, besides if u use common sense, why they make that intro before knowing about Arthur and Chaos, even the manga at that moment still at the beginning of ten commandment arc
 

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The intro is for NNT which mean it about Holy War
No it's not. It's about everything that happens prior to the humans being separated from the other races.

Have we seen that happen yet? No.
why they make that intro before knowing about Arthur and Chaos, even the manga at that moment still at the beginning of ten commandment arc
Since the beginning of NNT, Nakaba wanted to make a story about Arthur, it is based on Arthurian Legend, after all. It's not unreasonable to assume that Nakaba has at least some loose idea of how the whole story will conclude, and since the end of NNT we've had multiple implications that the humans will be separated from the other races in one way or another.
 

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Since the beginning of NNT, Nakaba wanted to make a story about Arthur, it is based on Arthurian Legend, after all. It's not unreasonable to assume that Nakaba has at least some loose idea of how the whole story will conclude, and since the end of NNT we've had multiple implications that the humans will be separated from the other races in one way or another.
I think separation of magical world and human world in the end will be the only way 4KotA will be able to stop Arthur or save everyone from consequences of his actions.
Destruction of the world the way we know, can be read as an apocalypse.
 

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Chapter's out
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Tristan's finally back with the final knight, which will be shown in the later chapters. This chapter triple trouble referred to the 3 new holy knights and that Percy moment with that knight girl lmao
 
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