Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

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The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^
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Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)
@axolotl sorry for the delay
 

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Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----
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But Hendo lok are ToG tankers with bloodmadder himself being a defender, so I questioned you idea.

In my view it makes much more sense for them to have much greater physical strength.
True. I can see Hendo Lok having the second toughest body after Jahad. And we have yet to see a LPB that preferentially takes the front row. Pudidy did CQC but he first sent owl bombs. He CAN do it reasonably well, but I'm sure he prefer to settle things in other manners if possible. It all points heavily to LPB having the naturally weakest body among 10 GFs.
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To add injury to insult, none of Traum's beasts have allowed Yama or Yasurach to actually take shots on Traumerei himself. Pretty sure other FHs would tank easily without a care, or instakill the attacker rather than having someone block for them. It's a red flag there.
 

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True. I can see Hendo Lok having the second toughest body after Jahad. And we have yet to see a LPB that preferentially takes the front row. Pudidy did CQC but he first sent owl bombs. He CAN do it reasonably well, but I'm sure he prefer to settle things in other manners if possible. It all points heavily to LPB having the naturally weakest body among 10 GFs.
I don't think LPB are the physically weakest when you have Tperie and Eurasia.

And even because in the end, this is relative, you can have an LPB more talented in reinforcement and with a better genetic lottery than a Ha.

remember that the 10 families live intermarrying with each other and with other powerful bloodlines in the tower.
 

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But Hendo lok are ToG tankers with bloodmadder himself being a defender, so I questioned you idea.

In my view it makes much more sense for them to have much greater physical strength.
Great physical durability would indubitably be a great asset to a defender but the reality is that it's not what determines whether bloodmadder is or not a defender. What determines this is shinsoo attributes, not physical strength. As in, having a shield or something else to protect from attacks. The series has never hinted at a correlation between shinsoo resistance and physical strength. As I mentioned earlier, bam's shinsoo resistance was off the charts from chapter one and he had entirely average physical capacity by our standards at the time.
 

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While any FH should have OP durability, it's also the case that generally speaking RPG summoners are going to be more fragile than the barbarians and other melee fighters.

How or if that translates to ToG is unknown.
 

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While any FH should have OP durability, it's also the case that generally speaking RPG summoners are going to be more fragile than the barbarians and other melee fighters.

How or if that translates to ToG is unknown.
It has translated exactly as you put it… all known LPB anima members have been defeated. Ren, Kaiser, Dokoko, Didiano, Holan, Perseus, Yorari, Orari, Candi(surrendered)
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What other fam has this bad of a recent track record?
 
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now that I think about it didn’t Yuri only flick a finger at Ren LOL!!! LPB lineage is full of bugs! Meyer would be a floor stain right now if Kallavan was not tired earlier!
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Was night crawler(on the HT)LPB???
But ren kill princess anak don't underestimate lpb not even there family head i think ren no intention fighting yuri at all and think again even gustang don't even care seeing bugs like white in fod they have bigger motives than interact with mere creatures the tower is vast to focus on one thing.
 

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She's obviously pretending not to care and to hide her disappointment.

But, if @Cinera is correct and she kidnaps (OMFG, *more* hostages - when does it end?) part of the crew and/or Baam she may get her distraction yet after all.
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Side note - I see many here think Baam fighting an admin on 100F as being too early. There's just a few problems with this...

This assumes those loyal to Zahard - up to and including Zahard himself - will just be sitting on their asses while Baam continues to climb. The FH's that is. We already have the start of a tower-wide war and the first FH has arrived on the low 50's floor.

100F may be integral in destroying the linchpin that sets off all irregulars to revert to being mortal. And maybe even the secondary, redundant king contract for Zahard as well. Rendering all of them (at least the FHs) exposed of death for the first time in untold thousands of years. It would seem like stopping Baam from accomplishing that would be the highest priority.

So, from 100F to 133 or 134 is really inconsequential. Baam has far and away exceeded the power of a ranker - gone is the need to see him go through the motions designed to test much lesser beings. The climb should be a cakewalk. Zahard would be an absolute pussy and not act preemptively to sit around on the highest floor waiting for Baam anyways. Look what's happening with Rei now, and what Zahard did in the past with Khel. Assuming there's not something that's actually restricting him from leaving the floor that is, Zahard has no reason to stay on a higher floor as opposed to sending other FH's and himself even going to shut Baam down before his full potential is met or the 100F contract is challenged.

I mean, after the original adventurers/irregulars passed 100F and gained immortality, what was the point in the next 30 some-odd floors anyways? It's not like they could have died at any time on any floor once 100F was under their collective belts. Nothing in the tower present a threat to them from 100F on. Seems like immortality should have been offered at the highest floor possible, narratively-speaking, but maybe SIU has something else in mind as to why it was 100F and not 133F - other than 100F just being a nice even number.

The events in the tower very well could culminate on 100F for Baam & crew, or at least the FH's not Zahard. But, it should be a fast-track to Zahard from that point on, maybe a small time-skip.

Or everything could simply come to a head on 100F all the same, which I suspect will be the case. Arie Hon is the biggest mini-boss before Zahard anyways.

Oh, and Baam doesn't have to outright KILL the admin there. Just best it or whatever it throws at him. I'm sure he could challenge the admin's test and previous contracts (to include the immortality one previously granted). Although if he has a full-thorn by 100F all bets are off, and he could very well go Enryu on their asses. One other reason why I think Zahard - if not restricted - will go to Baam first and possibly meet his fate on 100F with the last line of defenses of the allied FH's.
Unless Jahad is on another level compared to the rest of the FH – which would be strange going by the lore – it doesn't make sense for him to keep waiting for Baam at the 134F. He may be cursed to not leave the 134th Floor for whatever reason, but even that is narratively bad because Baam would need reasons to fight Jahad urgently instead of training for a few years to become stronger than him, and we know the drill: Tower of hostages.

This series is at a breaking point. Literally no one except the Top 10 of each Family and/or those on that level represent a threat to Baam, and soon it'll only be the Top 5, 3. And ffs the hostage card is already overused and we still have hostage cards that need completion like Yihwa and Yuri. Also, no Family/organization/RoZA is going to send one or two top 10 of their group to catch Baam, they'd lose firepower in the process (I'm not even taking Baam alies in consideration, just him and his strength), so at least one of the strongest or the FH themselves would have to appear. Yeah, floors will probably lose their importance and meaning and the tension will be set by which top dogs are going after Baam from now on.
 

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But ren kill princess anak don't underestimate lpb not even there family head i think ren no intention fighting yuri at all and think again even gustang don't even care seeing bugs like white in fod they have bigger motives than interact with mere creatures the tower is vast to focus on one thing.
Anak is possibly a furry and Ren is a pretty powerful Anima!
 

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I think this depends a bit on how exactly jinsung is being hampered by the state of his arms. it doesn't look like he has trouble using any technique. Nor motivation to risk big techniques... He shouldn't have trouble using the dragon tiger gate as the technique does not require any physical strength at all. He even used it successfully against kallavan while his arms were almost paste. I do think landing a floral butterfly type technique is probably specially risky against anima. Since you can get hit by their anima while landing the technique even if you successfully use reverse flow control on them beforehand...

The LPB definitely lose their edge if they lose their anima, no discussion there. Though the same could be said if the arie lose their arie swordsmanship or the ha their reinforcement.. I feel like you aren't giving the LPB any credit for their non anima skills though. Pudily has still taken head on the full blunt of jinsung's CQC and even actively looked to engage him that way. Elaine is absurdly good at using her reel. the LPB princess was able to take on hatz swordsmanship. The other one was a match to androsi in physical combat at least. And neither showed their anima at all (and left with the implication that their anima were heavy hitters). Considering elaine's background.. their anima must be pretty special just in general. The LPB family has anima and aptitude for a wide variety of combat forms... even if they of course lag behind families who specialize in said combat forms. I disagree with the idea that the LPB are the weakest family... I maintain they should be at least better than the families whose attributes aren't ideal for combat or less than meta (which would include the po bidao, eurasia, tu pirie and hendo lok families). In my head the situation is more or less like this:

top 3: Arie, khun, ha.
Prime meta attributes, strong bodies.

Middle of the ground: Ari, LPB, yeon,
At least excellent combat attributes in general but not as special those above. The ari are weapon users but strictly inferior to the arie. The LPB stand out due to their anima. Anima are BS. Hana is both a fisherman and a wave controller... Which is as meta as it gets.

Weakest: po bidao, eurasia, hendo lok, tu perie.
Generally not combat or prime combat attributes, excel at support. I am a bit on the fence about the eurasia since blosom's thing seems to be offensive wave controlling, based on that she might deserve a spot above.

do note that is meant to be extremely general. Individual cases of members of the families standing out are a different thing. Yihwa could end up being stronger than ran, the strongest non irregular we know comes from gustang and blossom (boosted by zahard's blood).
I rank the FHs/families almost equal as you. In a 1v1 against each other, context and dynamics of battle is important

FHs:

On the top, Hon, Eduan, Yurin, probably in this order. Don't need to explain why.

On the bottom, Tperie, Bloodmadder, Gustang, probably in this order as well (ascending, from weakest to strongest).

LBs simply aren't suited for 1v1, and Tperie must be that wise all knowing dude that isn't as strong as his peers.

Bloodmadder sucks at 1v1 because he probably has no offense, if he had, he'd be comparable to Yurin. If you don't have enough offensive to beat your peers, then you're just a persistent punchbag. And if you do have offensive to beat your peers, then the fact that you also have stupid durability makes you a monster, his niche would overlap a lot with Yurin. Also, Bloodmadder decompressed is ~8m tall, at his strongest/highest durability he's a big target.

Gustang because he, too, fulfill the trope of the intelligent, knowledgeable, "scientist" that lacks in power so he knows how to conquer the world but does not possess the means to do so (strength), that's why that individual is executing a big plan and all that to gain the strength necessary to conquer the world or do so by other means. Just to clarify, I think Tperie's shtick is more towards being able to know anything (his lighthouse is an unique names "Eyes of God") and all that but who doesn't give a f*ck about any field of knowledge while Gustang is the ultra nerd that systematically studies everything that exists in this world. Also, Gustang is specifically said to be weaker, less talented than Blossom, her being an offensive WC and him more of a supportive type.

That leaves Hana, Blossom, Traumerei, Han in the middle, in this order (descending), I think.

Hana is said to once have surpassed Yurin when angered. She also has both fire powers extremely destructive (they should be much stronger than Evankhell's) and healing powers as well. Her powers (high offensive and healing) matches well against large targets (Shinheuh), high defense (Bloodmadder, Yurin) and since her theme is fire I expect her fire to be stronger than whatever Shinsu techniques Blossom or Gustang use.

Blossom should be solidly above Gustang and she + him birthed one of the two strongest princesses, while Gustang has every narrative reason to be one of the weakest FH. Her abilities should match well against Shinheuh as well, WCs can fight at distance and with large scale and AoE attacks. And I expect Han to suck, so it's her or Traumerei.

Traumerei because he should win against Tperie, Bloodmadder and Gustang. He's a control freak and ingenious, he wouldn't go to war against Gustang if he specifically can't handle him, since that'd put his Family/Army at more pressure having to compensate for his shortcomings. And I expect Han to suck, so he's above Han. I also expect his Shinheuhs/Anima abilities to not match well against Irregulars in general because they have broken abilities and talents.

I expect Han to suck because I think he's going to be be the weaker, less combat/strength freak of the Hon, Han pair (they're probably relatives). Hon is probably power hungry and values strength, Han and his family are pacifists. Hon is the strongest FH and has Arie swordsmanship, Han should not have anything of the same caliber.

About the families, what changes is that the Hendo Lok family is probably the weakest for obvious reasons, maybe the Eurasias should be higher than Yeons, the rest should remain the same.
 

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I rank the FHs/families almost equal as you. In a 1v1 against each other, context and dynamics of battle is important

FHs:

On the top, Hon, Eduan, Yurin, probably in this order. Don't need to explain why.

On the bottom, Tperie, Bloodmadder, Gustang, probably in this order as well (ascending, from weakest to strongest).

LBs simply aren't suited for 1v1, and Tperie must be that wise all knowing dude that isn't as strong as his peers.

Bloodmadder sucks at 1v1 because he probably has no offense, if he had, he'd be comparable to Yurin. If you don't have enough offensive to beat your peers, then you're just a persistent punchbag. And if you do have offensive to beat your peers, then the fact that you also have stupid durability makes you a monster, his niche would overlap a lot with Yurin. Also, Bloodmadder decompressed is ~8m tall, at his strongest/highest durability he's a big target.

Gustang because he, too, fulfill the trope of the intelligent, knowledgeable, "scientist" that lacks in power so he knows how to conquer the world but does not possess the means to do so (strength), that's why that individual is executing a big plan and all that to gain the strength necessary to conquer the world or do so by other means. Just to clarify, I think Tperie's shtick is more towards being able to know anything (his lighthouse is an unique names "Eyes of God") and all that but who doesn't give a f*ck about any field of knowledge while Gustang is the ultra nerd that systematically studies everything that exists in this world. Also, Gustang is specifically said to be weaker, less talented than Blossom, her being an offensive WC and him more of a supportive type.

That leaves Hana, Blossom, Traumerei, Han in the middle, in this order (descending), I think.

Hana is said to once have surpassed Yurin when angered. She also has both fire powers extremely destructive (they should be much stronger than Evankhell's) and healing powers as well. Her powers (high offensive and healing) matches well against large targets (Shinheuh), high defense (Bloodmadder, Yurin) and since her theme is fire I expect her fire to be stronger than whatever Shinsu techniques Blossom or Gustang use.

Blossom should be solidly above Gustang and she + him birthed one of the two strongest princesses, while Gustang has every narrative reason to be one of the weakest FH. Her abilities should match well against Shinheuh as well, WCs can fight at distance and with large scale and AoE attacks. And I expect Han to suck, so it's her or Traumerei.

Traumerei because he should win against Tperie, Bloodmadder and Gustang. He's a control freak and ingenious, he wouldn't go to war against Gustang if he specifically can't handle him, since that'd put his Family/Army at more pressure having to compensate for his shortcomings. And I expect Han to suck, so he's above Han. I also expect his Shinheuhs/Anima abilities to not match well against Irregulars in general because they have broken abilities and talents.

I expect Han to suck because I think he's going to be be the weaker, less combat/strength freak of the Hon, Han pair (they're probably relatives). Hon is probably power hungry and values strength, Han and his family are pacifists. Hon is the strongest FH and has Arie swordsmanship, Han should not have anything of the same caliber.

About the families, what changes is that the Hendo Lok family is probably the weakest for obvious reasons, maybe the Eurasias should be higher than Yeons, the rest should remain the same.
I think you have bloodmadder exactly backwards. It's important to note that while each great warrior excels at something specific, they are all still excellent at everything. For all we know gustang can beat kallavan in a fist fight and blosom can throw spears better than mascheny (we don't know that for a fact of course but I think it's conceivable at least). Now, bloodmadder has presumably defender attributes and off the charts shinsoo resistance... This would actually make him a solid matchup against wave controllers at least. Since he would be built to take on shinsoo blasts. This still doesn't tell us how exactly he'd fare against physical fighters or arie swordsmanship though. If arie swordsmanship counts as shinsoo blasts then he'd have a solid matchup against eduan as well (though probably not as good as against wave controllers). I don't think there's that much of an overlap with yurin for that matter. Even if bloodmadder has an insanely resistant body his shinsoo attributes would result in dramatically different results. Yurin's attributes combined with an absurdly powerful body result in an offensive powerhouse. Even if bloodmadder has a body as strong as yurin's he'd never perform the same as her in CqC due to lacking reinforcement shinsoo attributes.

By LB you mean LPB? LPB seem pretty adept in 1v1 tbh. The basic strategy we have seen from LPB which is using shineuh combined with your own innate skills is a solid one. Against a powerful enough LPB you are getting constantly flanked... Plus whatever other nonsense they can pull. I think we can also expect the same BS we have seen from multiple LPB to be a thing for traumerei. Spirit animals, possession, switching places.. I really doubt traumerei's anima would be worthless against family heads if he is actually serious in fighting. Otherwise anima would be competitive at the tower resident level but absolutely worthless at the family head level.

I made my ranking to be as general as possible but ultimately individual matchups are a different thing.
 

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I rank the FHs/families almost equal as you. In a 1v1 against each other, context and dynamics of battle is important
On the top, Hon, Eduan, Yurin, probably in this order. Don't need to explain why.

On the bottom, Tperie, Bloodmadder, Gustang, probably in this order as well (ascending, from weakest to strongest).

I expect Han to suck because I think he's going to be be the weaker, less combat/strength freak of the Hon, Han pair (they're probably relatives). Hon is probably power hungry and values strength, Han and his family are pacifists. Hon is the strongest FH and has Arie swordsmanship, Han should not have anything of the same caliber.
Gustang is not only an irregular wave controller but also mad scientist. Those combo would destroy the likes of traumerei and his shineuh. Be it wave attack, bio weapon, genjutsu, robots/golem, magical tools, even his simole wink etc. He is too smart to show his overall capabililies to be appraised by ranking adm. He is far surpassed blossom already

Tperie. Lighthouse is not only for peeking. It could possess the greatest fire power and mirror wall and powerful sealing too. Even khun level enna core is already amazing. Tperie gods eye and opera would make him invincible. he worked with the workshop and ultimately creates opera and other innovations. So he is another genius like gustang.
There must be a good reason why we havent met this family member (or have we?tuperie repellista zahard?), Tuperie family doesnt look like having great influence in the tower compared to top FH, YET she/he is placed just right below Yurin. So if not influence, must be his capability/strength is that great.

Ari Han pursue peace and balance. It is said that he has quite the power and influence to do so. So i expect he wouldnt be at the bottom. Combat strength might be 7 or 8 among FH.

My opinion is align with the ranking adm office with a slight variation:
Zahard,
Hon, Eduan, Yurin, Gustang (yes, above blossom. In 1v1, unlike blossom, after eons He has much more than just wave controlling, unlike the ultra genius but lazy blossom. Knowledge eventually wins over talent),
blossom, tperie, bloodmadder, Han, Hana, traumerei
 
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I wonder if we should start taking bets on whether Jinsung gets surprise murked by Traumerei. I'd prefer he didn't, for several reasons.
 

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But ren kill princess anak don't underestimate lpb not even there family head i think ren no intention fighting yuri at all and think again even gustang don't even care seeing bugs like white in fod they have bigger motives than interact with mere creatures the tower is vast to focus on one thing.
He did not killed her alone. And ren is weak yo do such of a thing.
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Anak is possibly a furry and Ren is a pretty powerful Anima!
Powerful? Yuri used one finger.. YHS won in anima battle over him and he don’t even one lol
 

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Great physical durability would indubitably be a great asset to a defender but the reality is that it's not what determines whether bloodmadder is or not a defender. What determines this is shinsoo attributes, not physical strength. As in, having a shield or something else to protect from attacks. The series has never hinted at a correlation between shinsoo resistance and physical strength. As I mentioned earlier, bam's shinsoo resistance was off the charts from chapter one and he had entirely average physical capacity by our standards at the time.
But it doesn't make sense to use baam as a comparative which in itself is already a hax, even for irregulars.

I don't see much sense in Hendolok acting as defenders without decent physical skills.

I'm not saying that your idea between resistance to shinsoo and physical strength is wrong, but I think differently in the case of hendo lok
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It has translated exactly as you put it… all known LPB anima members have been defeated. Ren, Kaiser, Dokoko, Didiano, Holan, Perseus, Yorari, Orari, Candi(surrendered)
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What other fam has this bad of a recent track record?
This has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing here. lmao
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But ren kill princess anak don't underestimate lpb not even there family head i think ren no intention fighting yuri at all and think again even gustang don't even care seeing bugs like white in fod they have bigger motives than interact with mere creatures the tower is vast to focus on one thing.
REN didn't kill anak, he was just one of the mission members.
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Gustang is not only an irregular wave controller but also mad scientist. Those combo would destroy the likes of traumerei and his shineuh. Be it wave attack, bio weapon, genjutsu, robots/golem, magical tools, even his simole wink etc. He is too smart to show his overall capabililies to be appraised by ranking adm. He is far surpassed blossom already

Tperie. Lighthouse is not only for peeking. It could possess the greatest fire power and mirror wall and powerful sealing too. Even khun level enna core is already amazing. Tperie gods eye and opera would make him invincible. he worked with the workshop and ultimately creates opera and other innovations. So he is another genius like gustang.
There must be a good reason why we havent met this family member (or have we?tuperie repellista zahard?), Tuperie family doesnt look like having great influence in the tower compared to top FH, YET she/he is placed just right below Yurin. So if not influence, must be his capability/strength is that great.

Ari Han pursue peace and balance. It is said that he has quite the power and influence to do so. So i expect he wouldnt be at the bottom. Combat strength might be 7 or 8 among FH.

My opinion is align with the ranking adm office with a slight variation:
Zahard,
Hon, Eduan, Yurin, Gustang (yes, above blossom. In 1v1, unlike blossom, after eons He has much more than just wave controlling, unlike the ultra genius but lazy blossom. Knowledge eventually wins over talent),
blossom, tperie, bloodmadder, Han, Hana, traumerei
But the dynamic between Gustang and Blossom is precisely the fact that he can never surpass her.

None of the 13,GW dares intrude when she launches an attack.

I see no sense in what has been presented to us that Gustang is superior to her.

BTW, my list would be:

Hon
Eduan
Yurin
Blossom
Hana
Han
Gustang
Tperie
Troymerei
bloodmadder
 

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If you think an axis is losing to urek you are Insane. SIU specifically stated nobody can beat an axis unless they are an axis themselves.
Did you read my previous comments properly? Where did I ever say Phanta would lose to Urek?

And Robert Aisand told him he can't win, And then urek went out crying like a bitch.
Robert Aisand is the same person that ranked him above Gustang his influence not withstanding.

Why would you believe him in one instance and call him a lair in another?
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And then urek went out crying like a bitch.
LOL! Where you expecting Urek to kill him? Do you think Robert Aisand will change the ranking if Gustang went to meet him instead?
 
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Powerful? Yuri used one finger.. YHS won in anima battle over him and he don’t even one lol
One can be powerful and still have a frail body lol(Pain in Naruto)! Ren was controlling a vessel and Shinheuh from a different floor, so yes he’s a powerful anima. YHS was buffed up from being a substitute floor ruler
 

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I don't think LPB are the physically weakest when you have Tperie and Eurasia.

And even because in the end, this is relative, you can have an LPB more talented in reinforcement and with a better genetic lottery than a Ha.

remember that the 10 families live intermarrying with each other and with other powerful bloodlines in the tower.
My takeaway is that you're describing inbred re**** strength, which I realize isn't PC but lol don't care
 

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I don't think LPB are the physically weakest when you have Tperie and Eurasia.

And even because in the end, this is relative, you can have an LPB more talented in reinforcement and with a better genetic lottery than a Ha.

remember that the 10 families live intermarrying with each other and with other powerful bloodlines in the tower.
Where they at LOL! WGW, Holan, and Purdi don’t have the talent and that’s 3 of the LPB top 6. I doubt Perseus has the talent!
 
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